Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 312 Location: Otley, West Yorks, England
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject:
Hello and Welcome, TellmeTruth!
Quite what does this posting refer to ...and (forgive me for being thick!) - who is David and why is he "NOT Wrong?!"
Jane P _________________ Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
I think we need an area on the site for non 9/11 related discussion and threads so there is a clear distinction between 9/11 general and general general. I'm quite happy people discuss whatever moves them: the upcoming world cup, this, whatever, but first and foremost this site is intended for 9/11 related discussion and as an online community.
What do you think JR, separate area?
TellmeTruth, a bit more detail or something, please?
I was thinking the same thing ... but then we don't get many posts that are unrelated so might be overkill atm. We should consider this solution if we get more posts otherwise we'll have an almost dead extra forum to manage.
Let tellmetruth enlighten us as to who he is referring to.
I disagree that there is not sufficient non 9/11 related issues discussed here. There's loads. Some closely related like Iran or 7/7 and others much less so. There is a general need to revamp the forum menu to help navigation and prevent information disappearing in the depths of the forum but a separate area for non 9/11 would be a start?
Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 312 Location: Otley, West Yorks, England
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: "Who Is David & What is He?"
Has everyone been up all night here, pondering upon this?! At least I've managed to have a few hours sleep!
I hope that "TellmeTruth" we come back and reveal all!
In the meantime, I do think a “private” forum for these sort of matters would be a good idea….. I do seem to keep coming across the same ideas (re "the Illuminati" etc, but also more "scientific" things like the "reptile brain") over and over again ...certainly without looking for any of this - and whilst some of this may sound mad, it would be nice to be able to discsuss it without it all "showing up" on the Forum for all to see! It may, understandably, put a lot of other people "off"!
There are lots of other things people may wish to discuss in private as well.
To illustrate my point - I made this other posting to The Forum only recently:
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If anyone should surf in here, beginning to have "concerns" about "9/11" and then read our discussions about the Illuminati, etc, they will probably think we are all nuts and go back to the consensus view of "reality" - trouble is I think the consensus view of reality right now is largely shaped by the pre-dominance of the functioning of the "reptile brain" and by this I am not referring to "shape-shifting lizards" etc but to feelings of greed, self-interest, acceptance of cruelty, brutality, allowing others to starve to death whilst you have far more than you need, etc, etc... Look up about the reptile brain if anyone does not know what I am on about here! This is biology, not fantasy!
(From Rachel From North London…7/7/05 part of The Forum) _________________ Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
I certainly haven't been pondering tellmetruth's post since I'm not into guessing games.
My only point is there is a need on this forum for sections that deal with non-9/11 issues (one for the wider war on terror issues: 7/7, Iraq, Iran, etc) and one for the wider picture and general discussion. I'm not suggesting these sections are private. This would add clarity and keep 9/11 issues separate
Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 312 Location: Otley, West Yorks, England
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: David Shayler
Hi again TellmeTruth
David Shayler is a person of great integrity. If everyone had such integrity the world would be a much better place. I am sure he is "not wrong" about many things - but is there one thing in particular you wish to draw our attention to where he has not been "wrong"!
There is something about the picture you posted that reminds me of the little I know about Afrocentricism. Also the words you have at the foot of your postings: That which was told in the past is the present! Remind me of the title of a book I have on this subject (not read, I’ll confess!!) “Ancient Future.” I would also be interested to know what the other picture signifies.
If you want to tell me you can post here or send me a private email! _________________ Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: Sorry...
I haven't read a lot of the past posts here (you is the community that exists here), perhaps there are not any posts here saying that Jews were behind 9/11 and my fears are unfounded...
My fears are based on stuff like this:
"Many claim that the attacks on the US are the result of "the US government acting on behalf of the Jews instead of on behalf of the American people." This is one of the more subdued charges made by William Pierce, head of the West Virginia-based National Alliance"
"After the September 11, 2001 attacks, the National Alliance claimed that these attacks were caused by the U.S.'s support of Israel. The National Alliance also claims that Israel's Mossad launched the 2001 anthrax attacks in order to set up the US invasion of Iraq: a longtime enemy of Israel. In the article "The Anthrax Mystery: Solved" [3]which appeared in the March-April 2004 issue of the National Vanguard, it suggests Israel's Mossad--using the cover of Israeli Art Students--learned of the September 11 plot in advance and did little or nothing to inform the American authorities."
This site aims to unite all those in agreement with the campaign statement and provide a space for discussion and promotion of action without the need for constant intervention from a central group of moderators. Not a difficult concept
That some people who support this campaign (and the 9/11 truth movement in general) will be racist or anti-semitic or spooks or agent provocateurs is not challenged. Just as SOME supporters of Chelsea FC or the conservative party will be racists. So what? If they express racist or anti-semitic views here they will be removed and banned as explained above.
As for whether capitalism is a conspiracy, it is not something as a site we take a position on although films like the Corporation and The Money Masters make a pretty good case that it could be viewed as such IMO
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 489 Location: Manchester
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:13 am Post subject:
yeah.
if you're gonna say the jews did it you really need to show some evidence that some jewish people were involved atleast.
but even if you do, grouping a whole religion/race/country together as being responsible is just racist.
You can't say 'the jews did it'.. it implies that whole group of people are evil _________________ "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"
The closest anyone on this forum has come to such a position is Poseidon's website that claims (and I paraphrase) that supporters of zionism/Isreali state/Mossad are behind 7/7, 9/11 and other alleged conspiracies. I have already started a thread to discuss poseidon's views that you are welcome to contribute to.
So Timmy when you say "You can't say 'the jews did it'.. it implies that whole group of people are evil " is anyone actually disagreeing with you?
Our critics predictably already try to lump us together as one homogenous group and then use smears such as anti-semitic to tarnish us. Let's not be lazy in using similar broad brush approaches. Sure if the front page of this site was saying the jews did you would have a point, but it clearly doesn't
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1491 Location: North Lancashire
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject:
Tell me the truth and WTC7:-
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Was Larry Silverstein the new owner of the WTC complex (which includes WTC7) telling us the truth when he said I gave the instruction to the Chief of NYFD to have WTC7 "pulled"?
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: firefighters and wtc7
Was Larry Silverstein telling the truth? I don't know. But there seems to be little doubt that the fire service knew that WTC7 was gonna come down, some quotes from firefighters were posted to indymedia about this last month:
Don't get David Shayler started on the World Cup, please....
Can you elucidate please, Tellmetruth???
Thanks
Annie _________________ All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing - Edmund Burke.
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem Americanam appellant - Tacitus Redactus.
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Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1491 Location: North Lancashire
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject:
I would define a gatekeeper website as one which censores, heavily edits information whose content is anti authority or outside the "norms". This information is usually supplied by whistleblowers or those who exist outside of the sheep pen mentality. the new age thinkers! People like David Ray Griffin (re: author of the 911 truthseekers bible "The New Pearl Harbour").
If you really wish to enlighten yourself and understand the meaning of the gatekeepers concept may I refer you to chapter 19 of David Ickes outstanding book "Children of the Matrix"
Who are the children of the Matrix? Answer: we are!
Let us refocus of 911 truth campaign. Keep asking the tough questions.
sorry for being a bit warey, but are trying to bait members into following the beliefs of shayler inorder to get more hit piece material, or are you geniue in your claims?
sorry for judging but it does seem a bit strange, and i aint knocking anything shayler believes, thats up to him, but you get a C4 hitpiece on him followed by someone turning up and preeching about him, as though we should all follow suit.
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