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Why are Muslims (Islam) the patsies for 911?

 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Why are Muslims (Islam) the patsies for 911? Reply with quote

What is unique about the Muslim (Islam) religion?

I have discovered that usary (loaning of money) is not permitted. It is a culture that is based on you only have what can afford and as a result personal debt to the money men is not facilitated.

This religion is a huge threat to the New World Order.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have discovered that usary (loaning of money) is not permitted. It is a culture that is based on you only have what can afford and as a result personal debt to the money men is not facilitated.

I honestly do not think this enters into the equasion much.

I think with 'Peak Oil', PNAC and the fact that the vast bulk of the global oil supplies are in the middle east from the Caspian basin down to Saudi Arabia, taken in combination with the fact that the vast bulk of the indigionous population just happen to be Muslim, dictated the Neo-Con agenda.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its an interesting point and could be a factor I'm sure but so is the fact Muslims are sitting on the majority of the worlds oil and Muslims are the natural enemies and neighbours of Israel... Guess it ultimately depends who is behind 911 itself, many have taken advantage of the event but not all of those were responsible for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bongo wrote:
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I have discovered that usary (loaning of money) is not permitted. It is a culture that is based on you only have what can afford and as a result personal debt to the money men is not facilitated.

I honestly do not think this enters into the equation much.

I think with 'Peak Oil', PNAC and the fact that the vast bulk of the global oil supplies are in the middle east from the Caspian basin down to Saudi Arabia, taken in combination with the fact that the vast bulk of the indigionous population just happen to be Muslim, dictated the Neo-Con agenda.


Agreed,and the fact that Islam is one of the last of the great religions,it's a double whammy so to speak.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A century or so ago, usary was also a sin in the Christian church and so Jews were the only ones who were allowed to lend money mostly. Hence the Shylock of Shakespeare's time.

Fundamentalist Islam has nothing to offer but it is dragging muslims back to the dark ages. It is stopping them evolving spiritually and this is exactly what the elite want. Billions of people stuck in a primitive mind set unable to work things out for themselves and easily led by dictators who work for the NWO. That, I'm afraid is the state of much of the muslim world today.
Fundamentalist Christianity serves the NWO in a similar way. The rapture looneys support Israel and see the emergence of this illegal, rogue, thug state as a portend for the coming of the Apocalypse and then the return of Jesus. The Zionists naturally take advantage of these simpletons and encourage them.

Both of these great religions have a core of truth and that is mostly to be found in the mystical teachings of Sufism and the deeper, hidden teachings of Christianity which can be found if one is diligent enough. Of course seeking that particular truth is frowned upon by the controllers of both religions.
Muslims need to start working things out for themselves and break the chains that bind them. The herd mentality must be smashed. As long as they are enslaved by the Mullahs they will remain the slaves of the NWO.

Christianity in the west may appear to have broken down and few people in England, for example, attend church anymore but that does not mean that people have stopped seeking after the meaning of life, eh Brian?
Something more profound is emerging in the place of outmoded religion.
Science and spirituality are sharing ideas and from the natural destruction and decay will blossom a new enlightenment. Providing the Kissingers of this world are dealt with severely.

Islam needs to go through this same process of change which happens to everything on this planet. Decay, death and re-birth.

Now what the hell has that got to do with 9/11? Lots, actually.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There might possibly be some margin in the embedded fear of Islam from a few centuries ago; when Constantinople fell to Mehmet (sp?) II in 1453 snuffing out what remained of the Byzantines, there was a genuine fear of Muslim expansion further into Europe and I think there was a bit of the kind of hysterical fear of muslims that's not too unfamiliar now.. I think off the top of my head (it being too late to start checking facts), an incursion in Italy was only stymied by Mehmet popping his clogs. After that, as empires go, the Ottoman empire had a pretty good run.
Prior to that, and perhaps more telling, the instigation of the Crusades quite handily stopped Christian knights from killing each other and wreaking havoc in Europe and gave a handy enemy to unite everyone under a common banner. Apparently, few people really knew what Islam was or what it was about, but it appears they didn't much care.
So there's a bit of a tradition going on.
Regarding the detrimental effect of fundamentalist Islam, it is kind of ironic that the mainstay of Wahhabism, Saudia Arabia, is such a darling of the United States.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Why are Muslims (Islam) the patsies for 911? Reply with quote

Pikey wrote:

This religion is a huge threat to the New World Order.[/color]


The person who first used the term New World Order was George W Bush.

No Western President in history has been closer to Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic faith, than Bush.

In what way was he threatened by the tenets of Islam?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I suppose you think thats becuase the US military industrial complex want to foster a cultural exachange based on mutual understanding and religious knowledge for the benefit of mankind and peace on earth Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No - because it was a mutualy beneficial deal for both sides, regardless of anyone else's interest.

That's capitalism.

I'm against it. Are you?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say the deal is fairly one sided really. When the Carlyse group was muscling in most of the Saudi royal family were dead set against it.

I also very much doubt the average Saudi had much choice in the matter.

Of course the Saudis get "protection" in the form of being occupied and having US airfields built on their soil.

Am I against it?

Well in this case (as in most these days) its the new US form of "ultimate capitalism" as I like to call it, teamwork. Get the military, oil & gas and politics involved and its a killer combination...literally.

I wouldnt call it any sort of US/Saudi co-operation I`d call it the US occupation of Saudi Arabia.

So yes of course I`m against it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the main reason is convenience and that the Arab world is the biggest power block who are not part of the 'Democratic' Central banking scam. Or in other words 'Rouge States'.

The clash of civilisations between the west and the arqb world has long been foretold by the likes of H G Wells and Albert Pike.

The Islamic Militant and particularly, suicide bomber is a dream enemy for the Elite as they are invisible, insane and unstoppable giving rise to endless war and loss of freedom.

'Arabs' have featured as the enemy of the west, taking over from the Soviets, in recent decades. This has been propogated through many films like Die Hard etc... Hence some westerners now have a subliminal distrust of Arab Muslims which they don't even know where it origionates from.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for information.

Many folk claim that the NWO phrase was born with GHWB on 11.9.1990

However, it's history is a lot longer than that, originating in 1915.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few passages from MG's excellent link:

(For those who still believe the NWO is of a benign nature)

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1953 - The Impact of Science on Society by Fabian Socialist Bertrand Russell is published in which he declares: " I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology....Various results will soon be arrived at: that the influence of home is obstructive....although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen....Educational propaganda, with government help, could achieve this result in a generation. There are, however, two powerful forces opposed to such a policy: one is religion; the other is nationalism....A scientific world society cannot be stable unless there is a world government.


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1962 - March 10 State Department Study Memorandum No. 7, "A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations, " written by CFR member Lincoln Bloomfield, in which he states: "A world effectively controlled by the United Nations is one in which "world government" would come about through the establishment of supranational institutions, characterized by mandatory universal membership and some ability to employ physical force....(But) if the communist dynamic was greatly abated, the West might lose whatever incentive it has for world government" It looks as if now the "communist menace" has been replaced by the "terrorist menace". And of course they can switch back to the communist menace or any other kind of menace whenever they want to.


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1970 - Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era by Zbigniew Brzezinski is published. He is a CFR member who will become the first director of the Trilateral Commission and President Carter's national security advisor. In this book he states: "Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief.....Human beings become increasingly manipulable and malleable...Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites....whose ties cut across national boundaries....The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty....Further progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken


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1974 - Richard N. Gardner writing in Foreign Affairs (CFR) April 1974 Article entitled The Hard Road to World Order, "In short, the "house of world order: will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great "booming, buzzing confusion," .......but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."


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1995 - Jan 27: Billionaire financier George Soros at the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland, says the world needs a "new world order," and he further warns: "I am here to alert you that we are entering a period of world disorder."


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1996 - May 11 Journalist Joan Veon interviews David C. Korten, author of When Corporations Rule the World (1995) and former Ford Foundation project specialist in Manila. In this interview, Korten claims that: "the World Trade Organization is creating a world government in which one organization which is totally unelected, wholly secretive....with the power to virtually override and local or national laws if those in any way inconvenience global corporations....It was a terrible shock (to those of us who supported Bill Clinton) when Clinton came in and GATT and NAFTA became the centerpieces of his policy....And in a sense, there was almost a seamless transition from President Bush to President Clinton in that regard....Our democracy has been rendered meaningless by big money. The truth is there are politicians (who) are owned lock, stock and barrel by the big money interests....Our elections create, to some extent, a facade of choice."


Warnings:

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1972 - Sept, page 29 "This plan is to establish -- very soon -- the first stages of a 'new world order.' This will be the novus ordo seclorum for which a self-perpetuating inner circle of Conspirators has been working and scheming relentlessly during some six generations...."

1972 - Oct, page 28 "There should be no surprise for longtime readers of the Bulletin....that those plans include the conversion of the United States into a socialist nation....and the merger of that enslaved segment of mankind with other Communist nations into a New World Order. That goal, under that very name -- originally written in b****** Latin as novus ordo seclorum -- has been envisioned by a Master Conspiracy for the past two hundred years as the ultimate product of all its crimes against humanity, and of all its subversive onslaughts against western civilization."
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Why are Muslims (Islam) the patsies for 911? Reply with quote

Pikey wrote:
What is unique about the Muslim (Islam) religion?

I have discovered that usary (loaning of money) is not permitted. It is a culture that is based on you only have what can afford and as a result personal debt to the money men is not facilitated.

This religion is a huge threat to the New World Order.


Hello mate.

Ive been 'lurking' on this forum for a couple of weeks now and on the whole I have a lot of respect for many of the people on this site. Most here are switched on and know whats really going on in the world.

I've been meaning to post this message but simply have not got around to it.

I've recently 'reverted' to Islam myself. Only after waking up and realising the truth behind recent world events.

One should certainly should not judge Islam by simply observing Muslims in recent times. Just like with anything, you need to go to the source itself.

Anyway, I wanted to post a link to this movie called Shadows in Motion. It’s a little old now but that makes it even more interesting as it predicts scenarios such as ID cards which are very relevant in current times.

It also discusses the wars, aids, new world order etc.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3753411785235077976

It's compelling viewing and im sure you will enjoy it.

Finally, Im not here to get into a debate on whose religion is ‘best’ or whether religion is even worth following or not. I personally know it’s the truth and that’s enough for me. Infact although Islam places great emphasis on inviting others to the religion, it also states (in the Quran) ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ and (‘tell those who don’t want to believe’ or something of that ilk)‘you have your way and I’ll have mine’. As a Muslim, other people are either my family in Islam or my family in humanity.

Oh and to answer your question, just think; no interest, no gambling, no alcohol, compulsory supporting the needy - the system of capatalism would not be able to survive, that is why they are out to destroy Islam.

Peace.
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