Time for action?

[Pikey]

[Pikey]

The fifth anniversary of 911, the year 2006, falls on a Monday.

There are 148 days until that day is due. 148 days to create something.

The countdown has commenced!

[Andrew Johnson]

This is a semi-negative comment, but I think pertinent and correct.

The pro-immigration demos mentioned in the above article were well-organised and well-funded - because PTB wanted to get the message across and increase their ability to "open borders" - basically, problem - reaction-solution again.

Until we have someone who steps forward with a good deal of money to help organise some big event (and people step forward to help with that organisation) we are unlikely to see anything happen on a similar scale here.

Weighed against this, the membership of the forum is steadily rising - and the number of people writing letters and distributing disks also seems to be on the increase.

In any case, even if we could muster a large event, who would notice it? As we know, perhaps 10,000 people or more were on the STW march last month - how much coverage did that get on National TV? And that was for an event which DIDN'T really challenge established paradigms....

It would be good, however, if we could have an event like the Chicago one, at a major university.

[Spectre]

9/11+5

It is indeed time for action this year in order to bring things out into the open. Any of you who have friends in the music business - then please try and organise a Live Aid type thing. Get musical giants like Geldof, Sting and Bono on board and speakers like David Ray Griffin and Charlie Sheen (but not jokers like David Icke) for in-between the acts commentary.

We should aim to have a free concert in Hyde Park or such like with as many politically aware major acts involved as possible. My suggestion for any event name would be :

THE CONCERTS FOR TRUTH (9/11+5)

There has to be some kind of spectacular event/s that people can rally around, and the general comments by Pikey and others that we can't just forever sit around our PCs discussing the minutiae is entirely correct. None of us know exactly what happened. We will find out in due course but we have to get the ball rolling first. A free concert in London yes - certainly one in Central Park NYC - in that great but wounded city itself - and other places around the world is definately one way.

If I had Bob Geldof's; Sting's; or Bono's phone numbers - I would have been on to them by now. We need something big and that will attract huge media interest. This would be my suggestion but being no Harvey Goldsmith myself - I've no idea to how to get such an event going ... the idea is my contribution ... perhaps someone here knows how to push it along?

[Andrew Johnson]

Hi,

Just for the record (no pun intended), I wrote to:

Bob Geldof (through his manager)
Annie Lennox (through her website)
Rory Bremner (through his publisher)

and sent them DVDs and info and told them about the UK campaign.

You can often find managers/agents contact details easily enough, as they have their own websites. Fan clubs are another possibility.

I was advised that a friend of mine also sent DVDs to "The Darkness" who had expressed an interest in the topic

I have heard nothing back from any of these - I would post "results" here, unless asked to keep correspondence confidential.

[Ian]

What about a gathering of people outside the US Embassy to coincide with the 5th anniversary? Perhaps on Saturday 9th? Then people from all over the country would find it easier to come.

We could hand in a formal request that they reopen the 9/11 investigation. A token gesture at this stage I guess.

If a couple of hundred people turned up, it might get some press coverage.

I just think that this is more the sort of thing we're ready for right now, rather than organising a concert in Hyde Park.

[wtc7]

Of course the powers that be are divided on the issue, to some extent, they want to appear as racist as they need to be to keep the support of the right (eg Daily Mail editorials) and they also need to have continued migration to oil the wheels of capital and keep the workers divided, but this shouldn't prevent progressives calling for no borders.

The last lot of UK protests against borders had no funding:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/actions/2006/noborders/

If lots of funding is your answer then perhaps you are asking the wrong question...

[ian neal]

Well if someone comes forward with lots of money and has no or an honest agenda I'm interested but we shouldn't sit around waiting for money or use the lack of money as the excuse for not taking action. The US embassy or similar is a possibility.

Hyde Park concerts with the likes of Geldoff and Bono is not realistic IMO. I followed the Make Poverty History campaign with great interest and I'm extremely cynical of the role of Mr Geldoff. Anyone who can proclaim, as Sir Bob did at the post G8 Make Poverty History press conference, "a great justice has been done ... on aid, 10 out of 10; on debt, eight out of 10 ... mission accomplished frankly." is highly dubious and has no right to speak on behalf of the world's poor

[andrewwatson]

For my money, we should combine with groups oppsed to the LLR Bill and lobby Downing Street - or Whitehall, which as near as we could get to it . That way we will be noticed. In combination with another issue we are more than twice as likely to be heard as solo.

[Spectre]

[ian neal]

Hey if anyone can get the public support of any of those names, their support would be welcome and no harm in approaching them

[paul wright]

Eh?Geldorf and Bono have been guilty of cosying up to Bush and Blair types and overseeing the genocide in Africa for many a year
They are repulsive and culpable, they are never going to come over to the Truth brigade, they are too inculcated in the lies
Better to approach the young and up and coming
Probably the Kaiser Chiefs and the Artic Monkeys are too far into the system to be worth bothering about
Better to start bothering the leftfield artists who are beginning to make a name for themselves
A small 911 festival would be wonderful - I wonder who exactly could be attracted to appear
Paris? and some other hiphop
Add to the program

[SmashySmash]

[ian neal]

I think it is an excellent idea (targetting genuinely aware bands like Paris, The Liars, etc.). I only wish I had the time to help make it happen. My first starting point would be to approach Peace not War and Moeen (Global Vision 2000). Anyone serious about trying to put something together please PM me and I'll give you my contacts including possible venues for small benefit gigis.

[Spectre]

Whichever form this might take it is emblematic of a rather interesting irony I think.

Whatever research is being done by noble scholars - whatever whistleblowing by brave government insiders - whatever letterwriting capaigns are being waged by frustrated activists - whatever court cases are being slowly processed through the Federal courts ... the reality of a breakthrough may well be due to the American (and elsewhere's) obsession with tinsletown and celebrity comment.

Charlie Sheen's few brief statements are worth all the tea in china to this movement. Four and a half years of trying to push a huge almost unmovable object up a steep mountain (inch by inch) has been all very worthy and worthwhile - but a TV or film star can heave it up so much further and faster just because of his status. That is why I think the concerts and other big public entertainment type events are the way to go.

Wouldn't it be hugely ironic, if the 9/11 scam - which in itself is one huge piece of macabre theatre - was undone by elements of the very indusrty which often assists in the propagation of these myths?

We need more Charlie Sheens. Sad as it might be - and grossly unfair too - one Charlie Sheen is worth 100 David Ray Griffins (and I speak as a huge fan of the latter and only having ever had a passing interest in the former).

[Frazzel]

i agree we need to start planning for sept 11 anniversary now! and make a big public and media presence

[Frazzel]

music is a good way to get the messages across.
i suggest
1) hire a venue for a TRUTH TRACKS NITE and play any tracks of music that are related to anti-war social justice, truth issues. (see the other forum topic) hold this nite on 9 11 and 7 7 anniverary, and in another room, play Loose change2 plus David and Annie can do a talk.
2) get together with the musicians freddie mentioned and start producing with the musicians, our own cd full of newly writtne songs on 911 and 7/7.
Then we can get the band to perform on stage at venues, and on open trucks on any relevant demo's. we could sell the cds to raise money, split profit with the band.

[Frazzel]

[Pikey]

[kookomula]

I'm pretty sure it was Alex Jones who said that Charlie Sheen said all of Hollywood is talking about it (9-11), we've got to ask if they're all talking about it, why are they not saying anything?

A few months ago a very nice, well respected music venue in London offered me free use to put on a music event, 9-11 fundraiser. It could have been my approach but I contacted many musicians some well known, some unknown and nobody wanted to play, the majority didn't even respond to my email.

It left me thinking it is not the way forward.

[Pikey]

[kbo234]

[kookomula]

There are 101 different band nights in London everyday. They are not easy to promote especially a one-off event that does not have time to grow. If we are seriously going to think about putting on some kind of event then, I think we will need the support of a fairly well-known musician or band to be supported by other bands. It may seem selfish and a little grabby but I don't want to give the name of the venue until a little bit more thought has been put into this, who will play etc.etc. It is not an opportunity to be 'wasted'.

Good website by the way.

[ant]

Hi guys,

I'm new to your forum but I'm fully aware of the 911 movement for around a year now. I would just like to show my support and respect for all 911 activists out there.

As to regarding campaining events... tell me when and where and I'll be there

Ant.

[Pikey]

Welcome Ant great to have you aboard ship!

[Pikey]

[scubadiver]

I would suggest the "Big Issue".

They have a global presence and, if we contact them now and collate info about 9/11 and 7/7, we suggest a special issue for September?

It was revealed in today's Independent (23rd May) that the Government is refusing to reveal information regarding Blair's working relationship with Murdoch while in office. As far as I'm concerned, the mainstream media have been hijacked over the so-called war on terrorism and I have even stopped watching BBC news.

It would make great marketing: The biggest issue for a generation.

my 2 pence

[Pikey]

[Maureen]

Do we have any contact details for Charlie Sheen? It may be that he can help us get hold of the celebrities everyone is talking about contacting.

Good post Pikey, plenty of response. All we need do now is keep up the responses and take it forward somehow.

[Pikey]