Loose Change producer & others respond to Monbiot

[ianrcrane]

Heads Up

The following article, written by Tim Sparke - Executive Producer of Loose Change Final Cut, is expected to appear in tommorow's edition of The Guardian (Tuesday 13th Feb 2007).

[rodin]

Good. Monbiot deserves perpetual purgatory from thinking truthers for that abominable article. That was his 911 - the ill wind - the straw that broke.. he will never recover from it because it was obviously no honest opinion piece but a POS grovelling compliance with HMV.

[Pikey]

Thanx for sharing that here Ian. Well done Tim, fabulous and outstanding contribution!

When is Loose Change Final Cut scheduled to appear in local cinemas in 2007......cant come soon enough for me!

[QuitTheirClogs]

Response: Don't believe the official 'conspiracy' theory
We have to ask who stood to gain the most from the appalling events of 9/11, says Tim Sparke - Tuesday February 13, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2011845,00.html


Letters: The official 9/11 story doesn't add up - Thursday February 8, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,2007936,00.html


George Monbiot - Tuesday February 6, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006831,00.html

[Jayhawk]

The OCTs are out in force on this one - some of you better get over there and speak some sense...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2011845,00.html

[xmasdale]

I have posted the following on the Guardian's website.

"If George Monbiot and Tim Sparke are men of integrity, they will accept a challenge to debate this disturbing issue in public. Perhaps The Guardian could set up such a debate. Failing that, someone else could.

Who would care to organise it?

TedE"

I think this flurry of interest in The Guardian is a wonderful opportunity to give the issue wider coverage and we should try to set up such a debate.

Noel

[scubadiver]

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[QuitTheirClogs]

[Mark Gobell]

George Monbiot must have had some kind of reverse epiphany.

Are we to assume that a career in journalism does, in fact, mess with one's mind ?

[rodin]

[Pincher]

I can't help smiling inwardly when yet another progressive figure is outed as an anti truther. This time it's George Monbiot, self styled environmental guru (I understand he is a professor of politics and has no formal scientific accreditation), who has poured cold water on the conspiracy and spread consternation amongst the 9/11 faithful.

There are some obvious reasons why our seemingly natural Amerophobic allies might choose to be sceptical about the plot. Firstly, in the same way that it aint good for a scientist's career prospects if he is labelled a 'climate contrarian' it aint good for a liberals' public profile to be seen consorting intellectually with an obsessive marginalised rabble.

Secondly, as I have stated in earlier posts, many liberal and progressive figures may not be what they seem. Just as the FBI used COINTELPRO to both monitor and manage the liberal/left opposition in the US for two decades MI5 has been doing the same here in the UK (mainly by infiltrating movements with informers, agent provocateurs and bogey men) since the Bolshevik revolution.

However, there are ideological reasons why many lefties and alternative types won't play ball with us. Most conspiracy theorists are considered right wing nutcases. Although I do not consider myself either to be liberal or left wing I understand the natural reluctance of members of these tendencies to be tainted by 9/11 association. More on this in a mo.

Sleeping with the enemy though, pales into insignificance compared to the ideological/intellectual/emotional vault-face required to propel the muesli munchers into the ranks of the truth seekers. Cast your mind back to the aftermath of the 'attack' on the twin towers...

Remember the liberal line that America 'deserved' to be attacked by Muslims, that this was payback for Gulf I? Little bit hard now, don't you think, for the sweaty sandal brigade to acknowledge that 9/11 was a de facto coup organised by a tiny East Coast elite against the Federal Government and citizens of the US to enable them to prise the Middle East/Central Asia out of the grip of France, Russia and China?

Which brings me back to the right wing nut cases, the 'anti Zionist' obsessives, amongst us. Let us get one thing clear. This show is a CIA production first to last - geddit? Mossad (aka 'The State of Israel) isn't even the leading man. As for the 'Muslims', they are merely day players who earn their crust by sticking to the script written for them in Langley, Virginia. In this movie, the hero's ostensible enemy is his ally and his partners, even his very own comrades, are his enemy.

Once you get this, fellow truthers, and sing it loud enough and often enough the intellectual dishonesty of Monbiot and co will be of no consequence.

[rodin]

Perhaps, then, you can explain why dual Israeli-US nationals are key players in the US 911 team, and 5 Israelis were there IN ADVANCE to 'document the event' rather than simply asking us to believe your assertion that 911 is a purely US operation?

Evidence, not Ideology, is driving the 'Zionist' connection. It is NOT crazy.

[Pincher]

[blackcat]

[Bongo]

Maybe it is as simple as Mobiot having just been taken into the office for a quiet word regarding his work ethic?

[Bongo]

Pincher, you make some interesting points, but when you get into the realms of both historical and current geo-political agendas of various bodies, there will always be a huge degree of guesswork involved. "one mans story is another mans lie"... which brings us to the issue of who you believe? Geo-politics and the role of secret services is both a historical and on-going tangled web. For this reason I tend to ignore most of this info and stick to the basic facts of the events of 9/11 itself. Scientific evidence of controlled demolition, atta and the $100,000, the August PDB, eye witness reports, Falsities in the PNAC-NIST-911commission reports etc... Otherwise, I think we could be debating the role of Mossad, CIA, ISI, even Zionists... till the cows come home.
Ps, it is also not for the newly awoken, a large dose of information overload maybe? BRAIN EXPLODING... BRAIN EXPLODING... (Dalek Voice)

[Pincher]

[Rabbie McM]

[Bongo]

Pincher... from providing you with the benefit of the doubt, I now know that you never read... 'Nor Understood' my last post.
Pincher Wrote...

[blackbear]

Pincher.......have you ever been to a Zoo.

Who controls America......Sharon knew...

Another Zionist whore......* off to Harry's Place.

[blackcat]

[rodin]

[Pincher]

The main key to understanding that it HAS to be Israel is the strong loyalty of the Jews to each other and their cause. They have motive and the means. They control the money supply. They have bought the media and greatly control education. They have their agents in most of the mainstream Christian churches. This is not an overnight thing. They have been building this up over generations. They have made the West stupid and are winning through divide and rule. No other group has the loyalty and resourcefulness that this group has.

I find it both intriguing and disturbing that no other poster on this board has denounced these anti Semitic sentiments (dressed up as anti Zionism) posted by the racist moron who calls himself Rabbie McM.

Moreover, I find it deeply ironic that this closet holocaust denier and Nazi sympathiser can accuse me of being ahistorical whilst he summarises the greatest literary and political hoax of modern times and presents it as the truth.

For the Philistines amongst you (ie the vast majority) said hoax is 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion', the Tsarist secret police forgery (first surviving copy is dated 1903). This crude propaganda was designed to deter 'Christian Orthodox Slavs' from supporting the Russian political reform movement by claiming that it was merely a front for the Jews in their quest for world domination.

The proof that McMoron is principally a vicious, visceral anti-Semite and not just a pig ignorant anti Zionist is the fact that the great Jewish conspiracy (ie world domination) fabricated in the 'The Protocols' did not have as its objective the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine (either literally or figuratively). Of course, many other anti-Semites have revised this nonsene to the extent that 'Zionism' substituted for 'world domination.'

Ergo, anyone else here who signs up to and propagates this revisionist twaddle is peddling a double fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Worse, according to the leading historians on the subject (Walter Laqueur, Howard Sachar and Jack Fischel to name but three) anyone who uses this bile as a justifictaion to label Jews who support the State of Israel as 'Zionists' are in reality anti Semitic.

So, to all you 'anti Zionists' out there: if you're a bit sensitive about being labelled 'anti Semitic', 'Nazi Sympathisers', or simply 'racist scumbags' you'd better stick to historical fact and not historical fiction.

[The Watcher]

Pincher wrote:

[Whitehall_Bin_Men]

George Monbiot comes from an atheist Jewish family and his father, Raymond, is both deputy chairman of the Conservative Party and Chairman of the Tories' National Convention.

It'd be interesting to know why he felt it necessary to write this attack on the 9/11 Truth movement - since it's clearly an area he hasn't studied.

Looks like someone, somewhere, has decided to cash in Monbiot's remaining credibility chips.

[Abandoned Ego]

This thread is a perfect example of exactly why 5 Israelis were seen dancing in Arab headress and filming the attacks.

Its a perfect example of why all this Anti Israel rhetoric is exactly what the Global elite want.

Im just wondering. Did Israel benefit from the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam war ?

Did they benefit from Pearl Harbour ?

Of course they didnt, but that doesnt stop shallow thinking from Shouting in not so many words that "the Joos did it."

If I was cointel, all I would suggest doing is getting a few meatheads to stoke up such ranting, and then invite the press to look at the "raving Antisemites" within the "9/11 truth cult"

Cheney, Blair, The Rothschilds and Rockerfellers, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Perle, The Vatican and the European Royal Families, must be wetting themselves with laughter as the profits of war are passed from your pockets into their pockets completely unnoticed amidst the "Israel did it" clamour.

Gotta hand it to the above peeps though. Help set up a "safe haven" in a crappy piece of desert which is guaranteed to be good for War (and the same said profiteers )almost adfinitum.

For the Global elite, its Kinda like, light the Blue touchpaper, retire to a safe haven, pocket the cash, revel in the death of the Bovi/Goyim whilst always having the fallback of the racist card. Compound this by having another of your engineered productions - The Holocaust - which makes any such racism all the more "despicable"

This kind of thing can be easily activated by having 5 extremely covert Mossad agents ( ) get caught filming the whole 9/11 episode.

Hopefully the "Israel done it" crowd will get the message eventually.

[scar]

Very well said Abandoned Ego. Somehow though i dont think that message will ever be received by those immersed in that way of thinking.

[rodin]

[rodin]

[blackcat]