Private forum ?

[Stephen]

I wonder what they get up to on this private forum???

I'd rather be down here with the common folk anyway

[ian neal]

Naff all honest. If anyone is really that curious I will give them access to prove it

As part of the rejigging of this site there will a separate forum created with a focus on campaigning and building cooperation that will be open to all known campaigners who are prepared to use their real names.

Known campaigners will be those who are vouched for by any 2 other known campaigners.

This forum will be private (since such discussions are in my experience are best not conducted on a forum such as this where anyone known or unknown, real namers or pseudonyms can intervene) and will be launched by the end of the month inshallah. Menawhile this current forum will be repackaged to discuss the 'truth movement' in general and will not be linked to the campaign

More on this and other reforms to this site and the campaign site to follow in the near future.

Cheers

ian

[Thermate]

[flamesong]

[Patrick Brown]

[John White]

[James C]

[Patrick Brown]

[marky 54]

another accusation with no proof what so ever, when will this stop?

its almost as if you attack or accuse anybody that does not believe the same as you or do what you want. well not so much you with the attacking but TC does it alot.

ive posted evidence of plane noise and witnesses in an other thread if you care to answer. when will you understand there is evidence of planes and thats why most people dont buy it. it not because they are shills or trolls.
and implying a moderator is untrustworthy just because they dont ashere to your every demand is low. this has to stop, think about the movement before making these posts, please.

[Pikey]

Personal attacks and attacks on the contribution this website and its supporters make to the aim and objective of securing a full professional and independent investigation into 911 is imo an attack on the global 911 truth movement!

The inevitable result of threads like this and most of the contributions on it is that it creates division as well as bringing this website into disrepute. The inevitable consequence of this is that it discourages newcomers to stay.

For were I am coming from read this thread:-

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=53974#53974

Maybe this is the objective of a minority who visit here.

This UK 911 website has been a pioneer in uniting UK 911 troofers, no other UK 911 website has achieved anything near it. Just remember without this website and its supporters there would have been no David Ray Griffin or a fifth anniversary march in London in September 2006, no Willie Rodrigez tour, no 911 truth groups.

Regarding the private forum, the concept of it was sound and I totally agree that it should be reserved for known 911 truth campaigners & activists.

There are people who visit here who definitely should not be given a pass. They know who they are and they know why. That decision is representative of the interests of the success of the 911 truth campaign and the majority of bona fide UK 911 supporters who come here.

The private forum has not functioned effectively because no one with a pass goes there regularly.

If bona fide 911 truth campaigners feel excluded then my advice is get involved, do something or even better join your local 911 truth group or start a new group, maybe then you will get a pass if thats was you aspire to. Blogging endlessly as an individual on here imo is a waste of time.

Sowing seeds of division in the 911 truth campaign is what you would expect of the enemy.

I am appalled at the personal attacks on Andrew Johnson here who is entitled to post like anyone else.! Andrew imo has made one of the largest contributions to the UK 911 campaign that I am aware of in terms of his endless and fearless campaigning and the input of his own money into 911 truth campaign resources.

I am inspired by the likes of people who contribute here like Ian Neal, Belinda, Andrew Johnson, Noel (Xmasdale), Justin, Keith M because they never deal in insults or attack others on this forum. They remain calm, positive and totally focused on the mission.

Unity is strength.

[marky 54]

[ian neal]

Probably my error in entering a discussion about a private forum without putting plans in fuller context.

The private forum would sit along side the campaign website (www.911truthcampaign.net). It would accessible to anyone whose identity and integrity is vouched for by two other name campaigners. We then have a space as it was intended to be, a forum to discuss and organise campaigning (in all its many forms) amongst people who actually know each other.

It also provides a space for genuine campaigners to engage with and hold to account the current committee members and to be more open and professional. As with this forum all shades of 9/11 truth opinion will be welcome

Alongside this, this current forum would be redesigned as a discussion forum for the truth movement in general (and not just 9/11) and would be separated completely from the campaign. Existing threads would be locked and the current content archived but publicly viewable and a new forum with a broader range of topic headings established.

On this redesigned forum posters would either post under their real name or under a pseudonym

I will post up a fuller explanation of what has been agreed in the near future once it has been shared with the moderators here and campaign committee members. These plans are in a nutshell what was discussed at a recent meeting in Bristol, which in turn is based on discussions held at the recent Blackpool gathering and in numerous phone calls and previous meetings (including several in London).

In the meantime can I appeal to those who are less than happy with whatever it is you are less than happy with, to be patient and think how threads like this will appear to a newcomer visiting the site for the first time on the back of all the recent media coverage and Willy's tour.

In response to your post Marky, I agree that public forums have a vital role, but they also have their limitations. But this is not a case of choosing between private or public forums but having the choice to use both. In the private forum I will be completely open with who is who and answer any questions.

[marky 54]

reading back over the original post i think i must of misread what was being said.

im cool with a private forum and think it is a good idea.

i just misread pikeys post, bona fide campaigner i thought was refering to those that are considered and i was pointing out just cos you aint been considered dosnt mean your not doing just as much in terms trying to make people aware.

i think i misread it.

[Mick Meaney]

Sorry to be blunt here but everyone had a chance to come to at least two meetings to discuss this. Of course not everyone would have been able to make it (health, other commitments, etc),

Generally, if making it to one of the meetings about the site is too much effort, does whatever is decided really matter that much?

Like Pikey suggests, get involved and create the change you want to see.

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

infact you go and do what i was pointing out when i misread pikeys post and claim that if you cannot make it to one meeting then that somehow means you are not putting effort in. what so i have to be accounted for to prove my worth to the campagin? i cannot just work and do as much as i can from what resources i have without coming to a meeting to declare it all? but you must be right if you dont go to meetings your putting no effort in.

[marky 54]

example of the problems people face getting to meeting.

willie rodriguez is giving a talk in spondon, i dont have a car its to far to walk and im skint, the only way there is taxi which will cost 25 quid i dont have. i did have the money to go but i spent it on leaflets for the tour to post to promote the event. i cannot dip into the money we live of unless we want the kids to starve. then i figured it dosnt matter anyway i already know the fact to 9/11 and if i dont go its one extra space to someone that dosnt know the facts. so you see how annoying it is when someone says if you dont go to a meeting your putting in no effort!

[ian neal]

Mick, a big thank you for coming down to Bristol and giving up your weekend

Likewise Mark, thanks for spending the equivalent of your last bean on leafletting so that others might to get to hear of Willy's tour

[marky 54]

[Mick Meaney]

I wasn't singling anyone out marky, I was speaking in general, I'm aware that not everyone can make it to meetings for various reasons. I've noticed that people often cause trouble on these forums, sometimes seems it's just for the sake of it. When it comes to the site changes I don't see any reason for people to object when they had a multiple chances to speak up but didn't take the opportunity (by meeting, by phone or by email).

I'm sorry you feel my comments were directed at you, they were not. It was more an effort to prevent the usual torrent of complaining and name calling.

[ian neal]

[marky 54]

[Mick Meaney]

[John White]

For TWSU3's posts so far on this thread, see here:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7144

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

[xmasdale]

Another point is that the private forum on the Campaign site http://www.911truthcampaign.net/ will not be about discussing theories as to what happened on 9/11, but about how we develop the campaign.

nineeleven.co.uk will include discussion of theories and will also be broadened to include discussion of related issues, such as the loss of civil liberties resulting from 9/11 and the ensuing "war on terror".

The point about having a private forum, consisting only of those committed to campaigning for 9/11 truth, is that campaigners can get on with the job rather than getting sidetracked into issues about how the attacks were organised, by whom and what kind of languge is appropriate (troll, shill etc). The campaign private forum, as it is proposed, will not be open to those who wish to disagree with the contention that the official conspiracy theory is untrue.

Personally I think that use of the word "troll" on this website is an insult to the Trolls/Huldufolk (hidden people) of Iceland, who seem to be held in much respect by many Icelanders. Racist or speceisist?
http://www.octavia.net/vikings/huldufolk.htm

[ian neal]

TTWSU3, this belongs on your tedious DRG thread but.........

[Sinclair]

[Sinclair]

-- double post --

[Patrick Brown]

Just for the record I'm pretty sure that there is a moderators only private forum which is fair enough. There may other private forums but that is just speculation. And yes I can see the regular private forums and nothing happens there.