Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Manchester
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject:
Great video alfsevic. This is NIST's current FAQs statement regarding the molten steel:
13. Why did the NIST investigation not consider reports of molten steel in the wreckage from the WTC towers?
NIST investigators and experts from the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEONY) – who inspected the WTC steel at the WTC site and the salvage yards – found no evidence that would support the melting of steel in a jet-fuel ignited fire in the towers prior to collapse.
The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing.
NIST considered the damage to the steel structure and its fireproofing caused by the aircraft impact and the subsequent fires when the buildings were still standing since that damage was responsible for initiating the collapse of the WTC towers.
Under certain circumstances it is conceivable for some of the steel in the wreckage to have melted after the buildings collapsed. Any molten steel in the wreckage was more likely due to the high temperature resulting from long exposure to combustion within the pile than to short exposure to fires or explosions while the buildings were standing.
Take a close look at that face and eyes. He's just noticed that he's being videotaped, and he's scared *. Very obvious at the end as well. _________________ Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth.” - George W. Bush
Now keep in mind that I figure thermite may have been used.
I would expect there to be molten metal in the debris of the world trade center as the NIST report gives temperatures hot enough to melt aluminum although not steel. So NIST are seen to be trying to cover up the fact that there was molten metal even if it was only aluminum. The interesting thing is that their denial may be an attempt to deny the presence of molten steel i.e. If push comes to shove they can always say “OK there may have been some molten aluminum but our temperature calculations can account for that.
Remember that I believe that only a few floors needed to be cut with thermite. The thermite was placed inside the core columns for a few floors and once ignited the kinetic energy released as the upper portion of the building collapsed through the lower structure explains most of the anomalies
of the tower collapse. The idea that the whole of the towers were rigged is a smoke screen. This view of events suggests that the south tower may well have been rigged a couple of days before during the reported power down. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
Ps. alfsevic, welcome to the boards and thank you very much for that last link...
I am currently compiling a DVD full of random short films like this so as not to guess at the full story, but to expose the multitude of rediculously false explanations provided by the anti-truth movement.
The problem about something like "American Blackout" Alfsevic is that it would be impossible to carry out as too many people would be involved and it would be impossible to get away with it. Somebody would be bound to complain and whistleblowers would come forward. I mean, to steal an entire election and install a man as President of the USA who is not really elected and who then takes the country to war on a pack of lies, causing thousands of deaths of US troops and countless Iraqis. It's a bit much isn't it? People would be up in arms and they could not possibly get away with it. There would be thousands of disenfranchised voters complaining and the mainstream media would be full of it.
Nick K suggested to me at WR's talk at UEL that Cynthia McKinney would be a great crowd puller to have over here in the UK on a tour. I agreed entirely.
Could we consider this and begin enquiries ?
Cynthia's American Blackout DVD is a powerful, persuasive testament to the kind of democracy Bushco is intent on exporting.
Alfsevic: The world is still waiting for the Popular Mechanics guy to get back to us on the hijacker's DNA reference samples.
It remains unexplained how the alleged hijacker's DNA was allegedly matched from crime scene samples and where those DNA reference samples came from, given that the alleged hijackers were completely unknown to the US authorities. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Just a thought - Willie Rodriguez reports climbing up to the 33rd floor after the North Tower was hit. While at that floor he states that he heard noises from the floor above (34th) - as if something heavy was being dragged across the floor. He says that this was the first time he felt really afraid - because he knew that the 34th floor was empty. There had been no tenant for months and the entire floor had been cleared of partition walls, carpeting etc. i.e. it was a clear, empty space - which he had used for his lunchbreaks to hide away from his supervisor!
Apparently the towers were built in three sections of around 33 floors each, with a reinforced floor between each section. That would put one of the reinforced floors at just around the 34th floor.
It's pure speculation, of course, but it seems at least possible that someone was placing last-minute charges there (they wouldn't have been able to do it earlier because they knew that Willie looked in there every day).
Does that make any sense?
Paul _________________ Coordinator 911 Truth Scotland
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Manchester
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:01 am Post subject:
As posted to another forum:
The following is a transcript of John Gross discussing the scope of NIST's investigation with regards to the collapse of the Twin Towers:
Quote:
We were charged with finding out the cause of the collapse. And we found what happened, I think we've scientifically demonstrated what was required to initiate the collapse.
Once the collapse initiated – the video evidence is rather clear – it was not stopped by the floors below. So there was no calculation that we did to demonstrate that – what is clear on the videos.
NIST's investigation was limited to the conditions leading to the initiation of collapse, and they have not investigated the post-initiation collapse; i.e. they have not investigated the ten seconds (approximately) following the collapse initiation. _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Wow... I guess the NIST guy was not listening to Mayor Giuliani then?
I was just watching 'Improbable Collapse' and 31 Mins:54 Seconds (about half way throuth the film) Giuliani states...
Quote:
"There were fires of 2000 Degrees Farenheit below the ground... I could be standing here... and you could be standing there, and I could be describing to you, governor, the... the... site, and then a fire would break out between us... and it was just by luck or the design of god that we were not killed!"
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 645 Location: UK Midlands
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject:
Ugghh... those sort of people are archetypes.
He is the spitting image of the "forensic scientist" who found the crucial piece of electronic chip from Pan Am 103 in a forest months later. I think they are bio-borgs sent out to do this type of PR work during cover-up and damage limitation.
If you're vaguely human, the death of 3000 people and the future of the planet is a slight incentive to hold up your hands, say
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