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 Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: Glasgow Herald - secrets, lies and a global campaign |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: Re: The Herald - 16th Feb 2007 |
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| Bongo wrote: |
... Hey, It's not half got some momentum at the moment eh?
Have Faith, We will win... Bring it on! |
It does appear somewhat like a juggernaut at the moment doesnt it 
Excellent response btw.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Keep the faith Scar... 'Maybe Dan has put a good word in for us?'  |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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From the Herald 911 comments
| Quote: | Posted by: The Man of Truth, Scotland on 8:19am Fri 16 Feb 07
As someone involved in controlled explosions to bring down buildings, I can say quite categorically that the Twin Towers did not collapse, they were brought down by the use of controlled detonations. If you watch any films of a demolition you will see that the builing drops centrally into itself, as happened in this case. If a building which was damaged in the way these were was to collapse, it wold fold onto the damaged area and tilt. It would not collapse as the steel structure is designed to withstand that sort of impact. Watching the footage of the event, I was really dismayed that the fire was so minimal considering this aircraft should ahve had a full payload of aviation fuel. Maybe it didn't but only enough to get it to the towers!
As someone involved in controlled explosions to bring down buildings, I can say quite categorically that the Twin Towers did not collapse, they were brought down by the use of controlled detonations. If you watch any films of a demolition you will see that the builing drops centrally into itself, as happened in this case. If a building which was damaged in the way these were was to collapse, it wold fold onto the damaged area and tilt. It would not collapse as the steel structure is designed to withstand that sort of impact.
Watching the footage of the event, I was really dismayed that the fire was so minimal considering this aircraft should ahve had a full payload of aviation fuel. Maybe it didn't but only enough to get it to the towers!Quote | Report this postPosted by: Colin Bryant, Cambridge UK on 8:54am Fri 16 Feb 07
I am an architect and when I watched the event happening I telephoned a friend, also an architect, who also happened to be watching on television, and before I could comment further he said "that was contolled demolition". Need I say more.[bold]bold[/bold]
I am an architect and when I watched the event happening I telephoned a friend, also an architect, who also happened to be watching on television, and before I could comment further he said |
Posted for Pincher. Only 99% of govt. produced 'experts' agree that no demolition took place. Free men and women professionals tend to disagree.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: |
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And here's another
| Quote: | Posted by: Dr. Wiseman on 5:05pm Fri 16 Feb 07
I work part time as a researcher and consultant for the European Southern Observatory. I am trained as a Doctor in Nuclear Physics. The consensus of opinion among all my esteemed colleagues is that 911 was an inside job. Government scientists will tell you that steel softens at 500C. Independent scientists will not tell you this. In my opinion there is almost certainly truth in this conspiracy theory. There are so many problems with the official story. I am very sad to tell you this.....
I work part time as a researcher and consultant for the European Southern Observatory. I am trained as a Doctor in Nuclear Physics. The consensus of opinion among all my esteemed colleagues is that 911 was an inside job. Government scientists will tell you that steel softens at 500C. Independent scientists will not tell you this. In my opinion there is almost certainly truth in this conspiracy theory. There are so many problems with the official story. I am very sad to tell you this..... |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: |
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And note the writing style of those quick to jump to the defence of the OCT
| Quote: | Posted by: James Elroy, New York City on 2:51am Fri 16 Feb 07
Goodness, how much gibberish must we listen to. Rodriguez is now a white collar worker, paid by the "truther" industry to lecture the world on how Islamofascists weren't "smart" enough to carry off the 9/11/01 attacks. No need to go back to work as a janitor now. He's an expert on building demolition, structural engineering and countercultural motivation. Good for him.
But it still remains that 99.9% of the claims made by the "truthers" have been completely debunked. Of course, if one listens to Rodriguez and his clan, the debunkers are all "in on it."
If Mr. Rodriguez can prove he was the last person out of the WTC I'll
buy him a gold watch.
Posted by: Jimmy Crangle, Thailand on 4:00am Fri 16 Feb 07
So who flew the planes into the twin towers? And what about the pentagon, was that a conspiracy too? Did the American government really arrange to kill it’s own intelligence and army personnel to assist in setting up an invasion of Iraq? Mr. Rodriguez is making a living from telling stories and yet we consider the Muslim fundamentalists to be uneducated fanatics who will believe anything.
Posted by: Jon Carry, Boston, MA on 1:43pm Fri 16 Feb 07
You Truthers are insane. Barking moonbat insane.
Answer me one, just one, of the following questions:
Why did George Bush let the buildings burn for so long before finally bringing them down?
Why did Dick Cheney design the explosives to bring the buildings straight down, not toppling sideways for more damage?
How did Condi Rice convince the pilots to kill themselves?
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Posted by: Michael, Florida on 2:08pm Fri 16 Feb 07
More conspiracy lunacy from mental midgets that see Bush conspiracies behind everything from late flights , to thier local market running out of ice cream. In order for you to buy into this you'd have to believe that a thousand or more conspirators are keeping quiet about a story that the media would pay untold millions to get. You'd also have to believe that Twin Towers security , engineering, and maintenance crews on duty 24 hours a day stood by and watched the bombs that killed them get planted.
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Posted by: Dickie Dawkins' lovechild, Cowering in the corner from the man, man. on 2:19pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Although conspiracy theorists are amusing and adorable, I don't understand why their mania is so widely reported. Just flick through the infotainment channels on satellite for a few hours and you'll see a show documenting their madcap ideas. These channels aren't owned by the "corporate machine" that "helped suppress the truth" and neither are the satellite channels which transmit them, of course...
I also don't understand why the US Government, apparently with the power to execute one of the most complicated subterfuges and deceptions in history, haven't closed down the sites that “expose the truth” with their all pervasive tentacles.
Prof. Richard Dawkins refuses to engage in debate with intelligent design/creationist propagators as it heightens their nonsense to that of evolution. Perhaps those trying to convince the wannabe Fox Mulders to convert to sanity should listen to Dickie. |
Yes, Virginia, the internet IS infested with a vast army of trolls and shills.
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The first post here has a new and chilling fear-mesage. We better get ready for this meme - by working out how we are going to manage a transition from lies to truth.
| Quote: | Posted by: Robert, New York City on 5:23pm Fri 16 Feb 07
Imagine that the 9/11 Truth Movement was completely correct about everything, and tomorrow hard, irrefutable evidence was presented to this end, and the world could see that the official version was indeed a lie, and many of our known and unknown leaders were complicit. What would happen from there? Here's a thought: [italic] The end of the United States of America as we know it. [/italic] The stock market would crash, foreign investors would pull out overnight, the dollar would collaps and be meaningless, other "dollar-based" economies would suffer, civil unrest, riots, looting, and more. So before anyone blames the Democrats lack of hard questions to Bush as your "proof" that there were no criminal actions taken by any Americans on 9/11, ask yourself if you were destroy your very own life, your family and friends' lives, and your own country for the privilege to say, "I told you so," before living out the rest of your days in a [italic]Beyond Thunderdome[/italic] sort of world.
Imagine that the 9/11 Truth Movement was completely correct about everything, and tomorrow hard, irrefutable evidence was presented to this end, and the world could see that the official version was indeed a lie, and many of our known and unknown leaders were complicit. What would happen from there?
Here's a thought: The end of the United States of America as we know it.
The stock market would crash, foreign investors would pull out overnight, the dollar would collaps and be meaningless, other "dollar-based" economies would suffer, civil unrest, riots, looting, and more.
So before anyone blames the Democrats lack of hard questions to Bush as your "proof" that there were no criminal actions taken by any Americans on 9/11, ask yourself if you were destroy your very own life, your family and friends' lives, and your own country for the privilege to say, "I told you so," before living out the rest of your days in a Beyond Thunderdome sort of world.Quote | Report this postPosted by: Michael, Florida on 5:40pm Fri 16 Feb 07 |
And an 'official' building engineer from Florida just happens to be reading the Herald reader's comments? Gimme a break...
| Quote: | Jeesh. I'm a building maintenance engineer here in Florida. At the 20 story building I presently work at we use the same security protocols the Twin Towers used on that infamous September day. Everyone entering the building must pass thru a security checkpoint. Lets say your a conspirator carrying a bag full of explosives and detonaters posing as a telephone guy . Even if security didn't catch on , I would be called to escort you during your stay in the building, thats routine. I would take you to the proposed work site and then stand and watch until the job is finished. Any deviation in your stated work site or method is immediately reported by me to security. Now, do you think a trained building engineer is going to stand there and watch you break thru the wall in various places and plant high explosive charges on support columns. You say, but he could kill you Mike , and then carry out his nefarious plan. Nope, security makes radio contact with me every half hour while I'm escorting contractors. If I fail to answer all hades breaks lose.
Jeesh. I'm a building maintenance engineer here in Florida. At the 20 story building I presently work at we use the same security protocols the Twin Towers used on that infamous September day. Everyone entering the building must pass thru a security checkpoint. Lets say your a conspirator carrying a bag full of explosives and detonaters posing as a telephone guy . Even if security didn't catch on , I would be called to escort you during your stay in the building, thats routine. I would take you to the proposed work site and then stand and watch until the job is finished. Any deviation in your stated work site or method is immediately reported by me to security. Now, do you think a trained building engineer is going to stand there and watch you break thru the wall in various places and plant high explosive charges on support columns. You say, but he could kill you Mike , and then carry out his nefarious plan. Nope, security makes radio contact with me every half hour while I'm escorting contractors. If I fail to answer all hades breaks lose. Quote | Report this post |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: |
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I wonder who wrote this?
| Quote: | 5 Arabs were seen filming and laughing and giving hi-fives as the twin towers burned. According to the New York Times they had set up their camera in advance. Later they were stopped by the Police and their van had traces of explosives, Arab costumes and box cutters of the sort allegedly used by the hijackers. Why have the media not been all over this? Here's why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcON2XbFR3I&NR
If you are as shocked as I am please pass on the information to everyone you know. It is vital we find out who did 911 and who is driving for a wider war in the Middle East. |
I saw Bongo in there too
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Posted by: Robert, New York City on 5:23pm Fri 16 Feb 07
| Quote: | | Imagine that the 9/11 Truth Movement was completely correct about everything, and tomorrow hard, irrefutable evidence was presented to this end, and the world could see that the official version was indeed a lie, and many of our known and unknown leaders were complicit. What would happen from there? Here's a thought: [italic] The end of the United States of America as we know it. [/italic] The stock market would crash, foreign investors would pull out overnight, the dollar would collaps and be meaningless, other "dollar-based" economies would suffer, civil unrest, riots, looting, and more. So before anyone blames the Democrats lack of hard questions to Bush as your "proof" that there were no criminal actions taken by any Americans on 9/11, ask yourself if you were destroy your very own life, your family and friends' lives, and your own country for the privilege to say, "I told you so," before living out the rest of your days in a Beyond the Thunderdome sort of world. |
Yep, tough choice, dude. To live a perpetual lie, knowing that failure to acknowledge and expose the lie gives carte blanche to the psychotic motherf*ckers to keep pulling stunts like this whenever they want to stir the pot? Or ... face up to the truth and deal with the consequences?
Somebody, somewhere is already working on the political strategy for handling national & global realization that 9/11 was an inside job. Dr. Don Becks is waiting in the wings and is well qualified to lead this process, even though he originally hails from Texas!
Yep, the US$ will go into the toilet (you think it won't anyway?), the way of life in the Zombie nation known as the good ol' US of A will change. Are you suggesting that's a bad thing?
Just as Germany has risen from the ashes in the aftermath of Hitler and the realization of the magnitude of the crimes perpetrated by the Nazi leadership, the people of the US would have to deal with the same trauma. The big difference is that the German people did not have access to information in the same way as we do today. Despite the availability of the internet, the good citizens of the USA have been dumbed down to within an inch of their conscious existence ... Apathy Rules!
As in any healing process, the first step is acknowledging that there is something to heal. I sure am ready to start that process.
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rodin
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Don't be too sure we have the true story about Hitler in the official history books yet. Lies lies and more lies. Seems to have been standard practice for how long? Never forget who controls the media. They control history*.
Or they did until the internet
* which BTW is why Bliar said 'history will forgive' his crimes
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: Locked Emergency Exits? |
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Locked Emergency Exits?
What's this? Could it be a deliberate attempt, on the part of the Herald's reporter, to plant a seed of doubt about Rodriguez's role in the rescue of so many people? Doubt which would could lead to a deterioration in the importance of his statements about the explosions he said he heard?
The following is a copy of a passage in The (Glasgow) Herald's web issue of February 23rd, titled: The 9/11 conspiracy: secrets, lies and a global campaign, by Eleanor Cowie. http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/features/display.var.1197355.0.0.p hp
| Quote: | | As only one of five people who held a master key, which opened doors to the stairwells, Rodriguez took it upon himself to begin opening the emergency exits so people could escape. "Nobody wanted to go back into the tower apart from me. I said, We've got to go back in and start saving these people'. So I started doing just that. I let firemen in and together we made our way up the tower's stairwells, opening the emergency exit doors," he says. |
Note: The first highlighted passage is not a direct quote, but the others appears to be, although the punctuation in the original is faulty.
My first question is: Do New York firemen need to be 'let in' by janitors? There were huge lift lobbies in both towers, and it was a weekday. Thousands of workers were already in both buildings. How did they get in?
If it had been common practice to keep the emergency exits locked, in the Twin Towers, it would have been a violation of just about every piece of fire-related legislation on the statute books. New York was the location of a tragic fire, in 1911, at the infamous Triangle Shirtwaist Co., which kept its seamstresses locked in the workrooms. The fire killed 146 people. In the aftermath of the tragedy, legislation was enacted to ensure that every building in New York provided adequate fire stairs, either internally, or externally, and the iron fire escapes that can still be seen on many of the older buildings are a testament to the fact.
Mr Rodriguez's story, as related by Eleanor Cowie, includes several mentions of the key he apparently used to open the emergency doors; he even does a kind-of magic trick with it. He also mentions the fact that he was one of only five key holders.
Think about that, for just a moment. If the reporting isn't skewed, it implies that all, or most of the emergency exits in the North Tower were kept locked, as a matter of policy. Otherwise, why would a janitor feel that it was necessary for him to risk his life opening them?
In any event, five keys to open the emergency doors in a building with 110 floors sounds minimal, to say the least. According to the article, each floor had three emergency exits to the, presumably, fire-resistant stairwells. That's 330 doors, which works out at one key per every 66 doors. That's a lot of locked doors, per key. Even more if the other four key holders had already made their escape.
To my knowledge (which isn't saying too much), none of the firemen or the fortunate people who managed to escape from either of the Twin Towers mentioned anything about locked emergency doors, which, I venture to suggest, would have been the cause of a huge outcry, had any such incidents occurred.
Then again, maybe those who could have reported any locked fire doors all perished in the twin collapses. A terrible thought.
I would be interested to hear more about this facet of William Rodriguez's story, and, before I am accused of attempted character assassination or something similar, I would point out that anyone who is interested in getting at the truth about 9/11 must look carefully at everything that has to do with the events of that day. This goes, particularly, for reports and evidence which, at first sight, appear to support our previously-held opinions or beliefs.
Those who doubt us can afford to get it wrong. We can't.
'The Last Man Out,' William Rodriguez, is the current icon for The British 9/11 Truth Campaign. Is what he is saying, to audiences all over Britain, beyond dispute?
Anthony
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