Israeli connections to 911

[rodin]

A selection to kick off the thread...

[DeFecToR]

Also;

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10528

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The High-Fivers
More proof the Israelis were shadowing the 9/11 hijackers
by Justin Raimondo

It was the tail-end of a bleak November, 2001: a pall of shocked numbness hung over the country, and a rising war hysteria had nearly everyone cowed. Americans were just beginning to pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and focus on what had happened, and how to react. It was very early on the morning of the 23rd when, scanning the headlines, I came across a Washington Post story by John Mintz: "60 Israelis Detained on Tourist Visas Since Sept. 11." Odd, I thought, why go after the Israelis, probably the least likely suspects?

The subhead was even more intriguing: "Government Calls Several Cases 'of Special Interest,’ Meaning Related to Post-Attacks Investigation." Apparently organized groups of Israelis had been arrested, and "dozens" held without bond. Inquiries to the Justice Department had yielded this response:

"In several cases, such as those in Cleveland and St. Louis, INS officials testified in court hearings that they were 'of special interest to the government,’ a term that federal agents have used in many of the hundreds of cases involving mostly Muslim Arab men who have been detained around the country since the terrorist attacks.

"An INS official who requested anonymity said the agency will not comment on the Israelis. But he said the use of the term 'special interest’ means the case in question is 'related to the investigation of September 11th.’"

It wasn’t some anti-Semitic conspiracy crank sitting in his parents’ basement, or Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who first linked Israeli nationals to the events of 9/11: it was the U.S. government, specifically its law enforcement arm.

This I found utterly astonishing, because it was clear to me, at that point, that there was a link, albeit one largely unknown in its specifics. Why else were the feds casting their nets around for Israelis rather than Arabs, Persians, and, yes, Muslims?

There was more. The original Post piece was updated: the number of detained Israelis had risen to 120. I had been following the story in this space, and noting its significance, in the weeks before Carl Cameron broadcast his famous four-part report on Fox News, which exposed the extensive Israeli spy network in this country and opened with this electric charge:

"There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are – quote – 'tie-ins.' But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, – quote – 'evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.'"

The story, as it developed in the months – and years – to come, sent me down an investigative path that has yet to reach its endpoint. What we know is this: in the months prior to 9/11, bands of Israelis posing as "art students" [.pdf] had carried out what seemed like a coordinated probing of U.S. government facilities, including locations not known to the public. A secret government report detailing the activities of the "art students" – and their background as highly trained in explosives and the art of telecommunications interception – was leaked to the media, and the story was again in the headlines. But not for long.

This is potentially one of the most important 9/11-related stories ever reported, and yet the number of serious investigative pieces done on it can hardly be counted on the fingers of one hand. Antiwar.com has been following this from the outset, and you can go here for a complete archive of my columns on the subject, plus mainstream media pieces.

Of particular interest is the coverage by The Forward, the oldest newspaper of the Jewish community in North America. They reported on one key aspect of the Israeli-9/11 connection: the story of the five employees of a moving van company apprehended hours after the twin towers were struck. They had been observed in Liberty State Park, New Jersey, overlooking the Hudson, with a clear view of the burning towers. A woman had seen them from the window of her apartment building overlooking the parking lot: they came out of a white van, and they were jumping up and down, high-fiving each other with obvious glee. Their mood, it could be said, was celebratory. They were also filming the towers as they burned, and taking still photos.

The woman called the cops, who put out a "be on the lookout" alert. I’ll let Christopher Ketcham, author of a blockbuster new report appearing in Counterpunch, tell the rest of the story:

"At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan Kurzberg, refused and 'was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag’. With guns drawn, the police then 'physically removed’ Kurzberg, while four other men – two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning – were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights. They had not been told the reasons for their arrest. Yet, according to DeCarlo’s report, 'this officer was told without question by the driver [Sivan Kurzberg], 'We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.’ Another of the five Israelis, again without prompting, told Officer DeCarlo – falsely – that 'we were on the West Side Highway in New York City during the incident.'"

This is, I believe, the most detailed account yet published of what actually happened that fateful day, and Ketcham clearly shows that the Israelis were certainly aware of why they had been stopped. The cops practically had to drag them out of the van at gunpoint, and it is surely suspicious that they immediately starting denying any role in "the incident." How did they know they weren’t being stopped for a traffic violation? No wonder they were held for 71 days, mostly in solitary confinement, and interrogated. Some repeatedly failed polygraph tests when questioned about possible surveillance activities. The FBI agents who interrogated them reportedly called them "the high-fivers," because of their odd behavior at Liberty State Park.

The Forward confirmed that the company they ostensibly worked for, Urban Moving Systems, of Weehawken, New Jersey, was in all likelihood a Mossad front. Dominik Suter, the owner, fled to Israel the day after a police raid on his office. The five detained Israelis were sent back to Israel, where they claimed to be innocent victims of harassment. Here they are on an Israeli talk show. Of course they don’t mention any of the above, or that they were found to have multiple passports in their possession, along with $4,700 stuffed in a sock and maps of New York City highlighted in certain spots. Ketcham quotes one local law enforcement official as saying

"It looked like they’re hooked in with this, it looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

Ketcham, utilizing the public record, news reports, and his own sources, has painted the clearest portrait yet of the "urban mover" Mossad cell, and how they shadowed the five hijackers who took over American Airlines flight 77, which struck the Pentagon to such devastating effect. Living, working, and socializing within a six-mile radius of Bergen County, these two groups circled each other until, on 9/11, as a dark pall fell over Manhattan and much of the rest of the world, one applauded the others’ handiwork.

Ketcham’s story of how the FBI investigation was scotched by high-ups ought to outrage every patriotic American citizen. He cites a source at ABC News – which covered this story on 20/20 in a treatment I consider a whitewash – as saying "They feel the higher echelons torpedoed the investigation into the Israeli New Jersey cell. Leads were not fully investigated."

The same source agrees with the general assessment of CIA officers, and intelligence experts such as James Bamford and Vincent Cannistraro, that Urban Moving Systems was a covert Israeli intelligence-gathering operation, most likely engaged in electronic interception and other means of spying on radical elements within Northern New Jersey’s Muslim milieu.

In the course of this, and given their geographical proximity, it is not beyond reason to posit that the Urban Movers were watching the future hijackers, listening to their phone conversations, reading their emails, and otherwise keeping fully apprised of their activities. What made the Israelis jump for joy, as one counterintelligence officer is said to have put it, is that "The Israelis felt that in some way their intelligence had worked out – i.e., they were celebrating their own acumen and ability as intelligence agents."

The story of how this line of investigation was suppressed, both in the law enforcement community and in the media, is a saga in itself. I know that Ketcham worked on this story long and hard, and had supposedly firm commitments from both Salon.com and The Nation to publish his work. Both projects were killed at the last minute, in one case an hour before it was scheduled to run. What’s particularly stupid, in the case of Salon, is that they ran his previous piece, on the "Israeli Art Student Mystery," years ago – and now refuse to follow up their own story.

As for why the government investigation into the Israeli connection was scotched, Ketcham cites a former CIA counter-terrorism officer: "There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House."

I have to tell you that it hasn’t been easy following this story over the years. I was told in the beginning, and in no uncertain terms, that this line of investigation is forbidden, that it’s "too hot to handle," and, implicitly, that the truth and the facts have to take second place to political correctness. To even mention this story, in certain quarters, is considered prima facie evidence of anti-Semitism. Case closed.

In spite of a determined effort on the part of some to redefine anti-Semitism to constrain critics of Israeli government actions, there is an equally determined pushback – a real movement to treat Israel as a nation like any other. That is, as a nation with its own interests, which, if truth be told, it pursues aggressively, and not only in the occupied territories and Lebanon, but also right here in the U.S. The story of Israel’s underground army in America – and its foreknowledge of the 9/11 terrorist attacks – is based on facts, not fantasies, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Semitism – and everything to do with establishing the full context of the worst terrorist attack in our history.

9/11 was the opening shot of a battle we are still fighting to this day, as our soldiers fall in Iraq, and the hints of a new front in our endless "war on terrorism" – Iran – are hardly subtle. That signal event launched the war hysteria that has only lately begun to peter out.

One of the major reasons why the public has turned against the Iraq war has been the revelation that the "intelligence" we acquired about Iraq’s alleged "weapons of mass destruction" was manipulated, cherry-picked, and outright falsified in order to make the case for the invasion. If it turns out that the Israelis really did know – that they picked up "chatter" from the groups they were watching, and gained fairly detailed knowledge of the hijackers’ plans – it will alter how we think about 9/11, and change our perception of the perpetual war that ensued.

Go here to order the Ketcham piece, which is not yet online. You can only get it on dead-tree, but, believe me, it’s worth it.

And, while you’re doling out cash, remember the Antiwar.com fundraising drive is going into high gear. I won’t tout our fearlessness in covering this controversial story all these years, because the record speaks for itself, and far more eloquently than any sales pitch. In a era when the "mainstream" media has failed, and failed miserably, Antiwar.com isn’t a luxury – it’s a necessity. You know you ought to contribute today – so, go ahead, do it.

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Have plenty more i'll dig up at some point.

[TonyGosling]

So what?

Half the world's intelligence agencies knew something as specific as airliners being hijacked in possible suicide attacks in the New York area was about to happen. Mossad included.

Everybody in the global intelligence 'community', knew about it exept the CIA. If you can believe that

We have the 9/11 prime suspects - according to US writer/researcher Webster Tarpley they are:

1. General Peter Schoomaker - ex SOCOM chief (ran Able Danger)
2. General Hugh Shelton - ex Chair of Joint Chiefs (ran Able Danger)
3. Tony Gentry - Army Intelligence and Security Command lawyer (ordered 2.5 Terrabytes of Able Danger data destroyed)
4. Major General Geoffrey Lambert - SOCOM Intel Chief (put Able Danger 'off limits' to FBI)

...and none of them are Israeli.

[rodin]

[paul wright]

[London Mick]

"No money in it? Again the Jewish question
Repeated distortion of the real culprits"
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What are you getting at?

[Thermate]

[rodin]

I knew that. No matter. It is a site and there are good people here.

I think 911 (and ME 'Freedom') truth seekers just have to resist intimidation, think for themselves, put 2+2 together, and keep truth alive. Much depends on this.

[alexsandie]

IronSnot put up a good link here:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=6997&start=150

Great Audio Iron. Glad you found it. I ended up listening to it again! (the music is good too )

IronSnot:

[paul wright]

[Patrick Brown]

Why hasn't this been moved? Oh we're warming up for the WTF!

Anybody get the impression that we have a few antisemits on the forum?

[alexsandie]

[Fred Jones II]

Why is it "the jews", not a group of people who happen to be jewish?
If it turns out to be bush are we gonna blame "the whites"
Or if it's Colin Powell......
This seems so childish as to be insulting.

[DeFecToR]

What the hell is happening here exactly? Can someone please tell me?

This is a topic about Israeli/mossad foreknowledge of the event of 911. But what, we're not supposed to address the issue because if we do we are anti-Semites? If find that type of racial blackmail utterly disgusting and completely contrary to any sort of truth-seeking philosophy. I couldn't give two damns the racial or religious leanings of the perpetrators of 9/11, be they Christian, Muslim, Jew or space wizards from hell. If evidence can be shown for their involvement in this crime then it should be openly and honestly confronted. I am not someone who holds any kind of sacred cows in this arena and i hope that others are mature and courageous enough not to be dissuaded from tackling these issue simply because their are those who would play the anti-semite card. The relevance of Mossad involvement in 9/11 should never be underestimated and it is one of the most glaringly obvious examples of foreknowledge that i have seen regarding 9/11, and i for one will never be frightened off the subject by those without the guts to approach it themselves.
BTW, i'm not directing this at anyone in particular, its just i can see where this topic is about to head.

Peace and love all round.

[London Mick]

Well said DeFecTor.
So who is this bloke who originally registered the site? Where is he now?

[London Mick]

Another thing, I'm a Christian, a Catholic, could we have a bit less of the anti-Christianite hate talk on this forum?

[Fred Jones II]

[DeFecToR]

[rodin]

[rodin]

A Resurrection Denier in Action...

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/599

Great photos by the way Tony. Love the carpet...

Anyway, we are meant to be collecting evidence of Israeli involvement in 911. How about the airport security? Odigo messaging service. The LACK of Israeli involvement in the casualty lists (there were definitely over a hundered Jews perished along with their Muslim Christian Hindu Atheist and Agnostic brothers & sisters. A nationality count, however, is much more discriminating.

[Thermate]

Yes, yes, mere mention of the word "jew" automatically makes the user an anti-Semitic holocaust denier racist nazi. Daring to suggest that Israel has gained 'cui bono' style from the 911 aftermath of course conjures the same reaction...

Pathetic.

[paul wright]

[rodin]

[paul wright]

[DeFecToR]

Why is it these topics always quickly move away from the issue at hand and become protracted debates on the rights and wrongs of criticizing Jews?

For god sake this topic is supposed to be about evidence linking Mossad to 9/11! How's about a continuation of that instead of all this defensive posturing?

[Dogsmilk]

[ian neal]

I have quickly scanned this thread and all appears fine however given the sensitivities of discussing Israel and zionism I quick reminder that there will be no tolerance for users who post content or links to websites that are clearly anti-jewish

Check out my posts on zionism (search zionism, my name and search posts) for guidance on what is and is not permitted on this forum. Basically anything that is offensive or likely to be seen as offensive will be deleted and the user banned. Blackbear was recently banned for stepping over this boundary. The moderators have no wish to be overly censorious but equally we have no wish that this website is seen as a haven for 'anti-semites'.

Yes, the website is registered in Simon's name. If you knew about the history of the 9/11 truth movement in this country, you would know who Simon is and his role in building the movement in the first place. Yes Simon is jewish (atleast by upbringing). Anyone got a problem with that? Anyone want to think less of this forum because of this?

Before anyone questions the integrity and genuineness of this site you should have evidence. General evidence free accusations of shill (without knowing what or who posters are talking about) will break the moderation policy and lead to a ban as Patrick and TTWSU3 discovered at last yesterday.

To those that see the new world order agenda as essentially controlled by zionists (not a view I personally share), here is your chance to demonstrate that this highly sensitive subject can be discusssed in a mature fashion and in a way that is not anti-jewish.

If you are in doubt as to where the boundary lies, feel free to contact me to discuss further (although please read what I have written on the subject already).

This forum aims to be a safe and welcoming space for all people of all faiths and of no faith at all. Apologies if this comes across as preachy or patronising since I know this warning does not apply to the vast majority of users

Thanks

[Abandoned Ego]

Heres my 2 ha'peth on the Mossad.

Sibel Edmunds, ( the most gagged woman in US history) once said in an interview, ( under the customary restrictions), that there is a point in the intelligence world, where illegal arms dealing, drug trafficking, and intelligence on "terrorism" - (in this instance refferring to "Al Quaeda") all meet together in a tidy bundle.

So we have arnaments dealing, a preserve of the High and mighty forever. For evidence of this kind of stuff, have a look at the Bush family ( all Knights of the British Empire)

Have a look at Halliburton, whose former CEO, Dick Cheney ( 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason) took a 400,000 Halliburton share portfolio with him into the White house.

And just to give you a feel of the true "Octopus" nature of these madmen, have a read about Victor Bort, and Adam Kashnoggi.

We have drugs dealing. Anyone remotely familiar with history, will know that its only just over 150 years ago that the Royal family were openly dealing in Opium in China, along with their skull and Bones lackeys, such as Taft and Co, and the eloquently titled "British East India Company". It was the profits from these ventures that helped found S&B in Yale, thus extending the tentacles of the Octopus into the American Establishment elite.

To bring the drugs trade up to date, a quick look at Gary Webbs famous work "Dark Alliances" should clear up any missaprehensions as to exactly who runs the drugs trade. Or you could of course look at Iran Contra, or the Noriega episode.

In both of these escapades, we have certain elite elements of all the intellgence agencies, and the Mossad are obviously no exception. Indeed it has also been well documented, how Israel acts as a conduit for much of this kinda stuff. The question however is "on whose behalf"

Now, I would argue, its on behalf of those who have the power to Bump off ; John F. Kennedy; Robert Kennedy; Martin Luther King; John Lennon; Pope John Paul 1st, and Princess Diana amidst a few of their more notable scalps.

In other words, it aint Israel, and it aint Mossad. They just happen to be currently best placed to help enable the Global elites latest world population , fear creating, profit making mass murder exercise that is war. Prior to this latest venture, it was Vietnam and Cambodia. Prior to that, they really hit the jackpot, creating the monster that was Hitler, which led to a world cull of WW2. Prior to that it was "The war to end all wars". (Is that not the ultimate lunatic phrase ?)

We can do all the Prior- to's in fact back to the Roman Empire and beyond. The descendants of todays rulers got together at Nicea, under Constantine, and cobbled the Roman Catholic faith together, following that with the burning of the library at Alexandria in 391, where the true knowledge of the spiritual nature of mankind was removed from public consumption, and left in the hands of the elite few who were responsible for the bonfire.

Israel and Mossad, and all that jazz DO have a role for sure. A role which as far as I can see has been deliberately promoted to the fore, in order to send people barking up completely the wrong tree, and enabling the usual criminals to throw around the "Anti semite" canard at those who fall for this ruse, whilst they continue murder, Rob and steal from the rest of humanity in the name of "democracy" and "peace".

And boy, how that works.

[rodin]

[London Mick]

Spot on, Ego, but let us not forget that the Israelis/ Mossad are the hitmen for this evil elite so why shouldn't they be attacked. It may wake up their co-religionists and spur them into action to do something about these gangsters who are committing all these atrocities in their name.

It may already be happening here in Britain with Harold Pinter and his friends.