I am a critic

[gurl102]

I find it very offensive that people take a terrible tragety and screw up the evidence in order to serve their own twisted perpouses,
I wonder what those purpouses are? oh yeah, to Hate America.
to tell the truth, I forgot about the twin towers already. life goes on. but seeing these rediculous accusations brought it all back to me. now I have nightmares of being stuck in burning buildings, and the fire is not really real but only propaganda... I keep waking up at night from dreams of fires that are not really fires.... airplanes that are not really airplanes.... buildings that are not really buildings....
thanks for screwing up the life of yet another New Yorker.

[marky 54]

if you do not like screw ups or wrong evidence maybe you should get your facts right before posting here.

yes loose change has errors but not everything in it is false, we didnt make it either. its not the only evidence we take into account infact there are far more things to look at than videos on google. loose change certainly isnt what i use to look at the events of 9/11 and certainly isnt the the only thing out there. if your so offended by loose change i take it your angered with the 9/11 commission report also? or are lies/wrong facts fine as long as they are told from the OCT side of things?

[gurl102]

I know the facts. the facts are that people like you would swallow ANYTHing that them "unoficials" shove down your throats! the scariest part is that while I was standing there, looking at my city getting destroyed, I just KNEW that it would somehow be blamed on the those dirty Jews and the Blacks

[Woodee]

gurl102 - I feel sorry for you that you had to witness the attacks that fateful day

[marky 54]

no your NOT getting your facts right. you firstly assume what i believe, then imply all 9/11 truthers think jews did it. this is false.

there will always be a small number of people who believe the things you mention no matter what, the fact is however the vast majority of people here do not believe jews did it myself included.

my stance is simply things dont add up that we have been told, therefore i call for a new investigastion to get the truth on this if possible as 9/11 has had a massive effect in the world and lots more people have died and will die since that day, because of that day. if your under the illusion it just effected america or new yorkers maybe you need to open your eyes wider and start looking around the world. if things do not add up then answers are needed because 9/11 justifys any war they want and the destruction of freedoms in countries around the world including america.

if you wish to understand the movement try reading the home page and the disclaimer as this is where the vast majority of us are coming from, tarring us with the 1% of others is an unfair comparsion and certainly not what i believe.

just for the record i dont believe in NO planes and i dont believe in BEAM weapons. or anyother conspiracy theory. i only question 9/11 because it simply does not make sense.

[marky 54]

we also have to look at your point from both ways, you say we swallow anything we are told. yet here we are looking at the evidence ourselves
and not believing everything we are told.

unless of course you seem to think those in power would never lie or if your offical you would never lie? if the explainations do not match up then they have to be questioned or do you just believe everything you are told and swallow it?

[Johnny Pixels]

[gurl102]

I don't believe everything officials tell me, I understand that they omitted some things, but I would believe even less the elaborate conspiracy theory YOU have to offer.
for example, you claim that the twin towers could not have collapsed from fire alone, true, true, but what about furnace heat? do you realise that this was not an open fire? the fire was mostely INDOORS, feeding on the oxegen in the AIRTIGHT building. do you know how flammable oxegen is? do you know how hot an indoor fire can become? the videos themselves claim that a furnace melting steel is a CLOSED fire! even more so the elevator shafts, which were airtight too.
another thing: you say FEMA came to check the buildings a night before. I'll take your word for it. but as there WERE threats, and the CIA did manage to uncover some plans maybe - so they just wanted to make sure there are no bombs in the towers. (we DID have a bombing in the towers in '93) maybe the terrorists had a more elaborate plan and they managed to add bombs to the building.
The fact that Silverstien (a rich Jeeeewww) had coverage for terror attacks is because it was no secret that the terrorists had an eye for the WTC, a symbol of streangth, in their opinion, i guess.
the video claims that the ground shook under the lobby BEFore he heard the boom. well, yeah.. the impact shook the building to the core!(and not surprisingly either - I dont know if you are aware of how light those buildings were. they would sway in the breeze) and you feel before the sound would travel to you, wouldn't you? so it makes sense that he felt it first..
oh there are so meny more debunkings, but I need time to get into them

[marky 54]

[scar]

[gurl102]

what doesn't add up to me about what you sya? almost nothing adds up. you are not even attempting to answer the few tiny questions I asked, why should I ask more? ask no questions! just believe that it was a conspiracy. hate. just hate, and you will believe!

[scar]

[marky 54]

[gurl102]

good, someone took the time to answer! yay!
ok here are some more questions: out of all the thousands of conversations between firefighters why do you only show one repetetavely? the one sayind that there are "two pockets of fire that can be extinguished with two lines"? why not show us, for example the coversation between the fireman and the base where the fireman urges a construction expert to come quickly because he frets that the building will not hold?
also, out of millions of eye-witnesses in NY why do you only show us the ones that say things that support your theory? if you want to look for truth, you will look into EV?ERY account, not just those that support one theory.
same goes with the thousands of people inside the WTC who "heard boom and felt the lobby shake" I only saw one being interviewed. there were at least 100 more in the bottom floors!
and as for the claim you have "how did the people in the streets know that it was a terror attack?" because that would be the first thing that comes to mind. one plane, ok. but TWO planes losing controle????? just doesn't fly.
there are many more questions I have for those silly "truth" seekers about their account as to what exactly happened.

[Stefan]

gurl,

Try to make those questions coherent.

Number them with hard returns inbetween. All I'm seeing is a garbled mess of bad logic, loose facts and unfounded accusations.

Take a deep breath and start again.

[gurl102]

good, someone took the time to answer! yay!
ok here are some more questions:

1) out of all the thousands of conversations between firefighters why do you only show one repetetavely? the one sayind that there are "two pockets of fire that can be extinguished with two lines"?

2) why not show us, for example the coversation between the fireman and the base where the fireman urges a construction expert to come quickly because he frets that the building will not hold?

3) also, out of millions of eye-witnesses in NY why do you only show us the ones that say things that support your theory? if you want to look for truth, you will look into EV?ERY account, not just those that support one theory.
4) same goes with the thousands of people inside the WTC who "heard boom and felt the lobby shake" I only saw one being interviewed. there were at least 100 more in the bottom floors!

5) and as for the claim you have "how did the people in the streets know that it was a terror attack?" because that would be the first thing that comes to mind. one plane, ok. but TWO planes losing controle????? just doesn't fly.
there are many more questions I have for those silly "truth" seekers about their account as to what exactly happened.
better now?

[marky 54]

[gurl102]

another thing you claim is that it's the first skyscraper to collapse in history. well dumb***, it's the first skyscraper to have been deliberately attacked by airplanes
why don't you get into an airplane full of jetfuel and crash it speeding into a lihtweight skyscraper and see what happens?
and what have you against the theory that the fire fell through the elevator shafts?

[gurl102]

[marky 54]

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[gurl102]

I watched those videos, and this is what I have to say about it:

1) firemen said that there were “explosions” and they worried that there were “bombs” — I find that very normal, in a terror attack for people to worry about bombs, and every “explotion” they hear (which could be anything from a metal thing falling to a fire reaching a gas tank or something which would ‘explode’) to be a bomb, which is the typical terror act

2) “several people say they heard one explosion, many people say they heard multiple explosions” to quote the guy. See how inconsistent it was .... again, very common in the midst of a hysterical, sudden scary terror act confusion.

3)all the quotes that WE HEAR mention nothing about “demolition” why if it’s true that so many firemen mentioned demolition, didn’t we hear even ONE recorded account?

4) too many of the quotes that we only hear the speech maker quoting (but not the firemen themselves) have people mention demolition - which is strange, because most of these firemen never saw a demolition before, so how would they know so much about it?

5) this Paul Isaac person claims that the firemen are afraid for their jobs,and therefore are not coming out with the “truth”. Hogwash, in my opinion, nobody’s job is worth THAT much, and especially not a fireman’s job. My brother works for the FDNY and he makes so little money, that he needs to work at 2nd and 3rd jobs just to support himself and family.
(Oh, and what about Paul Isaac? Was he fired? I’m sure he get a lot more money and attention from loose change than what he ever got working for the FDNY)

another thing, he keeps saying that WTC7 was ‘controled demolition’ - really? Controled demolition does not cause damage to surrounding buildings, it just folds neatly inward as they keep saying, so why did the WTC cause so much damage and dust that flew all the way to brooklyn and beyond? People who say it fell onto itself and not outwards can thank God for making it less damage. And speaking of God, well, some people would prove to you that the whole thing was written in the bible long before the world was created, AND THEY WILL BRING YOU MILLIONS OF PROOF still, do you believe them?

[marky 54]

[Stefan]

[telecasterisation]

[gurl102]

source of oxegen can come from 1) the oxegen tanks 2) the broken windows 3) the open elevators-the oxegen from the exterior of thwe building would enter the elevator shafts, where mose of thwe fire was 4)from the subway underground
do you realize that this was a building of OFFICES offices are equipped with at least one computer per desk. and we're not even discussing the server rooms are you familliar with that?
here's a link
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

and here you can discuss, ask questions ask people who know physics

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=12383

[telecasterisation]

[pepik]

I have to agree, gurl is getting a lot wrong here. To add to the list, the elevator shafts were not air tight, otherwise you couldn't breathe.