9/11 Octopus

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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/407507/911_octopus_lies/

http://www.livevideo.com/video/landing/BA654F1678EE45339FEC4BC4E597BC6 4/oh-my-goodness-.aspx


Save your no-plane remarks. Yeah, we're loonies ok, heard it all before!

[scar]

Firstly, this should not be in 'news' and you know it.
Secondly this clip has been posted more than once already:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7097

I dont think you're loonies, better words to describe no planers would be: deluded, duped, obsessed and divisive.

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http://www.youtube.com/v/khjyuumxohU

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Hauer

[scar]

3 'morons', 2 'agents' and an 'intelligence asset' in one post, impressive!!.
If you could prove NPT you would not need to imply im an agent or a moron.
Seeing as you cannot convince the vast majority of people of your 'beliefs', you have to resort to that tactic, what other option is there for you?.

Listen to the Vine radio show for a glimpse of the ridicule NPT can achieve for us all.

Ignore this, as all no planers do:
http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/review.html

Divisive: of the people calling for an independant inquiry.
You and other no planers appear to thrive off this division, hence the insulting, arrogant nature of your posts, the obsessive repeated posting of youtube clips with one line setups and the refusal to answer questions or examine debunkings.
Only you know 100% truth, everyone else is a moron or an agent.

[marky 54]

the media cannot attck us for believing planes or discredit us, and it isnt a point that turns people away from 9/11 truth.

on the other hand no planes has already been used against us as a point of ridicule and attack by the media, and it DOES turn people away from 9/11 truth who are not yet clued up on the facts.

now let me think, mmmmm id say an agent for the otherside would bring about something as a point of attack which the no plane theory achieves with almost every article printed.

i hope all the NPT'ers will be giving them selves a big pat on the back when the 9/11 documentary airs tomorrow also, they will use no planes and holograms as a focus to ridicule and attack the movement as well as drive home to the millions watching we are all looneys. NPT is a wonderful tool for them, we shout 9/11 truth they shout and snigger NO PLANES.

[scar]

The sad thing is Marky, in that situation they will be patting themselves on the back. If the BBC chooses to attack no planes, and what better way to ridicule the TM?, it will only prove to these deluded useful idiots that it must be correct. In their eyes the media is behind it all, if they attack no planes it must therefore be true. A loop of fruit.
See 4U2P's and others responses to this same point in other posts.
Once cointelpro has got hold of one of these guys they cover all angles to keep them in their delusion, including flipping reality on its head completely.
If no planes wasnt part of an exposure of 9/11, they would shun it as controlled and continue with their obsession.
Sad but true.
Critical mass doesnt enter into it with em, which is why they dont campaign aside from trying and failing to convince other truthers of their no planes obsession, creating pointless, divisive threads like this at every turn.

Interesting to note that some suddenly realise the TM was set up before 9/11 (in light of Fintans recent posts about articles he wrote years ago) but cannot see that no planes is a part of that setup. It fits the Divide and Conquer MO so perfectly.
Hence i dont believe these no planers here are agents the term 'useful idiots' describes them far, far better, they know not what they do, their controllers know perfectly well however.

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

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[kbo234]

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[Headhunter]

What's with all the no planers in the UK? Something in the beer in the pubs or what?

This board is just inundated with them I've found, well maybe not INUNDATED, as there are only maybe about fifty of these people globally. They do tend to come here though, for whatever reason.. And if Shayler cared about the movement, he'd leave that piece of "evidence" out of his public speaking, wouldn't he?

Btw, I believe that I was the very first to coin the term, "no planer", to which they've replied with "planhugger" which I think is funny, even lovable..

When you fight them, they tend to dig in, and bifurcate a little bit, so it's really best just to ignore them, or give them a little bit, just to keep them busy.

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[Mark Gobell]

[John White]

[gurl102]

for people in Brittian it's easy to believe that there were no planes. they didn't see it happen. but New yorkers like us, who saw the whole thing, cannot be fooled.
so you have to be careful: when you want to lie to the public, you need to leave some truth to your story, or else it would be sneered at. you want to tell us that the whole thing was a conspiracy, go ahead. but either wait for all the eye witnesses to have died, or admit that there was a plane, at least.
unless you imply that all new yorkers were in on it. and we are all liars? millions of eyewitnesses are liars?
and then the others who claim that the pentigon and philly had no plane: did you talk to the families who lost their loved ones on that flight? how would you explain them?

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[gurl102]

I generelize all those who think that there were no jihad terrorists involved (roll eyes) 10th avenue in Brooklyn I will not give you my exact address. I was not the only one, why don't you come to NYC and ask everyone on the street, if you don't believe me. or you could just sit back in your chair and claim that what you saw in the news in misleading. if you don't believe the news, you should certainly not believe some video on the net (roll eyes) why don't you come over and investigate for yourself? you'll meet millions of eye witnesses!

[scar]

Well i dont think there were 'no jihad terrorists involved' nor do i believe there were no planes at the WTC... as i said, everyone here has their own beliefs about what happened/didnt happen. Very few believe no planes were involved @ the WTC.
Your testimony to have seen the planes as many others did was what i was asking for gurl, not your address. I dont believe all news no, nor do i believe everything i read on the internet or otherwise.
I havent been to NY in a long time and i doubt i'll be going anytime soon, thanks for the invite though . Lovely place and people.
Not all eyewitnesses or family members of the victims share your belief in the official story as im sure you know.

I hope you will watch this, its made by the jersey girls, 4 widows whose husbands died on 911, they were instrumental in getting the commission and have exposed some of its flaws, every American ought to be aware of this, its not a 'conspiracy' video, all documented facts.

9/11: Press For Truth:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250

Peace.

[alwun]

What it is with planehuggers is just that they believe everything that they see on the 'telly'. Could be a bit of a generational thing.

cheers Al..

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[alwun]

Scar - good evening

1. No generational was what i meant.

2. Unlikely, although I've no idea what people think of youtube.

3. I am aware that some claim to have seen planes.

4. which clip exactly??

cheers Al

[gurl102]

[scar]

Alwun, good morning!

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[alwun]

Scar, hello once again.

I am talking about seeing with the eyes. There are a great many persons for whom the TV is a bastion of truth. For me, who has only the televised images on which to rely for authenticity, I find myself unable to believe that they show planes impacting on steel and concrete buildings.

Here's what I did just now, and I recommend you and anyone else who is interested to do the same.

Download this or any other clip from youtube or Googlevid using VDownloader(freeware) which converts to avi or mpeg. You can then step through one frame at a time.

Youtube address here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGmeAHvb_gM

Using this method on this clip will reveal....nothing. No blobs and certainly no large fully laden passenger plane. I mean - as if it would appear as a barely visible blob in this particular clip and then as a reasonable facsimile of an aircraft in all other clips - is beyond me.

I have no axe to grind with those who choose to believe the US media outputs on this particular matter, ie 911, but I'm long past it myself.

cheers Al..

[Woodee]

alwun... converting to an AVI makes no difference. Youtube and AVI both use lossy formats for their video compression, youtube has a very low bitrate of around 100kb/s and will result in blocking... only from the master video will you be able to know for sure that is on it.

Really don't know why people take the videos they see on youtube as gospel when they have been compressed so much, and distorted beyond recognition sometimes. If you are looking to analyse pixels that might appear on a video... youtube isn't a great place to start!

[alwun]

woodee hi there,

I seek not pixels - but planes!

The conversion to AVI or mpeg is required by the player, that's all. It is not a stand-alone recommendation.

I was sincerely interested enough to take the trouble to examine this and a number of other clips at frame by frame speed.

I must presume you have done the same - otherwise - no comment please.

Now, the same people who hold up these clips as proof of plane impacts seem all of a sudden, when challenged, to faff on about lossy this and incompatible that.

Do what I did, use whatever medium you want in whatever player allows frame by frame viewing, and then get back to me. (Mplayer is another one, although slightly more complex to set up. VirtualDub is sublimely simple).
All believers in US media output owe it to themselves to try it for a useful examination of the nonsense that they are seeking to support.

Did you spot the blob in the clip? I sure as eff could not.

As I mentioned -- you are free to believe what you like, but not to try to persuade me of the veracity of each and every clip of the plane impacts currently extant. The clips where the planes disappear behind clock towers or other buildings - don't waste your time.

Try this one for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c9vG9bRCEs

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3RYv7xnnlU


The slow version allows you to see the explosions forming the plane wings entry holes taking place well after the plane has 'entered' the tower - no need for frame by frame here.

that's it for me today.

cheers Al..

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