Sun25Feb - BBC2 Conspiracy Flies - David Kelly

[Ignatz]

[KP50]

[IronSnot]

[London Mick]

Here's me trying to open up the debate and this Exmas geezer then tells people not to intimidated and to keep your mouths shut unless you have something worthwhile to contribute! Eh!

At least I got our man in New Zealand to lay off the sheep for a couple of minutes and contribute something.

[IronSnot]

NZ is about 2000ks away, Mick.

[London Mick]

How many miles is that? I know where NZ is. Lovely place by all accounts.
I spent four years bumming around Australia in my twenties but never made it to New Zealand.

What's happening at Pine Gap these days? Where in OZ are you, Nosebleed?

[Tristan]

London Mick said:

[Bongo]

Alistair...

[locsen]

[hampton]

did the police run "operation mason" that day starting just before
dr kelly was killed & finishing just after?

is hutton a mason?

was dr kelly head of bio research at porton down?

have 20 other bio scientists died in suspicious circumstances?

were they killed for what they said or what they were about to say?

does the dna database & gene specific bio weapons
have something to do with it?

[marky 54]

to be honest i didnt bother watching it apart from the first 5 mintues.
after the 9/11 one it set the tone for the rest of the series, not matter how credible the concerns the bbc will whitewash the lot of them and hind facts or use ridicule to make those questioning it look stupid.

it seems the bcc are helping to brand a new type of people, those who grow concerned about what we are being told as oppose to the truth.
it will be the only way for us not to be listened to on any factors that effect our society or the goverments credibility.

so by branding us all as conspiracy theorists and implying its something normal after a major event and that because of the internet it has reached a point of mass intrest almost like a trend is what this series is all about doing or making it seem to the public who are yet to be confronted with facts.

this way when ever anything happens and people say differant to the offical story they are instantly branded under that section and ignored.
no amount of evidence proving otherwise will ever be alound on the mainstream channels and therefore people like the bbc have the truth under lock and key.

this is the reason why i show no intrest in giving them ratings by watching it or even commenting on it. i think time is better served pointing this out to people rather than going on about something we expected them to do.
yes there is such a thing as faith and hope but we are not going to get that from the bbc. this may explain the views/comments ratio.

we have reached a time where it is outrageous to question your goverment, a dangerous time then. as they are left to roam freely doing as they please being excused by the media and what is left of the sleeping public.

[ian neal]

What I found most interesting is how much this programme contrasted to the previous week.

Sure we could pick holes in it. The claim that Iraqi intelligence might have been behind his possible murder was laughable. But overall I felt this was considerably more balanced than the 9/11 programme.

They put forward some of the most credible voices challenging Hutton. They gave them a fair opportunity to put forward their concerns. They appeared to represent these views fairly and did not try to dismiss the whole possibility that Kelly was murdered out of hand but instead left the viewer to reach their own conclusions. I thought Norman Baker and Rowena both came across very well.

What a contrast to the previous week with its lack of balance (in terms of time given to different opinions), its cherry picking of who to represent the 9/11 truth movement (Alex Jones, Jim Fetzer and Dylan Avery), its cherry picking of the evidence it looked at and its attacks on all 'conspiracy theorists' as deluded obcessives and so on.

In this weeks programme they commisioned research to show that 25% thought David Kelly's death was not suicide. Now why couldn't they conduct a similar survey on 9/11? I would wager that a UK poll would mirror levels of scepticism found in the US (ie a large majority doubt the OCT).

But then such evidence would have made it far harder for the BBC to dismiss the 9/11 truth movement as a small insignificant group of nutty 'conspiracy theorists' as represented by Alex Jones or some pesky kids with a laptop. (Not that I have a problem with AJ or DA as such, just that they are not a fair representation of 9/11 campaigners and certainly not its most credible spokespeople).

I guess the establishment is more comfortable with the possibility that David Kelly was murdered by a few rogue intelligence officers than the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job, since the implications of 9/11 being an inside job are so much greater and more obvious to everyone.

[GEFBASS]

Yes I am a "Lurker"
Guilty as charged.

So here`s my reply to the thread, for
fixuplooksharp
Who said quote,
"love the way so many people look at the topic and say nothing."
and

London Mick
Who said quote,
"Another point,....about all the people who view these threads and never say anything.....
they really piss me off. Lurkers!
Why is always left to a few stalwarts here to say what everybody must be thinking.
Open yer bleeding mouths, say something, get involved."

I totally agree with,
Alasdair
Who said quote,
" "Better to remain silent and thought the fool,
Than to speak and remove all doubt"

Some people only post when they have something to say that will add to the debate.
It would be pointless to have a thread where 40+ posts are saying "I agree" ".

However this is where the "remove all doubt" bit kicks in.
I haven`t looked too deeply into Dr. Kelly`s death, so cannot really add any more about that particular broadcast or subject.
I believe the BBC wanted a chance to get back at the criticism in the Hutton Report.

Personally I don`t believe the official story.


I will add this though on the series as a whole,
Would anyone agree with me that actually the BBC are putting into the mainstream
"conspiracy theories", can this not really be a bad thing.

Yes I know they may not be balanced.
Surely though if it stirs something to "awaken" peoples collective conscienceness to research more,
"we" (I mean loosely any truth movement who have a better grasp of the information) should make `ourselves` availiable
to point to websites, videos, documents, agendas etc.


P.S. at least I replied to this one...( only half a lurker and `removed all doubt`) .

Geoff.

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[John White]

[Ignatz]

[hampton]

repeated from events thread:

did the police run "operation mason" that day starting just before
dr kelly was killed & finishing just after?

is hutton a mason?

was dr kelly head of bio research at porton down?

have 20 other bio scientists died in suspicious circumstances?

were they killed for what they said or what they were about to say?

does the dna database & gene specific bio weapons
have something to do with it?

[ian neal]

[hampton]

a quick search on google reveals:

"operation mason" was running when dr kelly died and it is still kept secret by thames valley police.

88 bio scientists have died in suspicious circumstances.

a woman who accused gw bush of rape commited suicide!

don't get too close to clinton or you might end up on the clinton death list.

i can post links if anyone's interested.

[Ignatz]

Just curious -

This thread started in General, got moved to Articles and is now an Event.

Wosgoinon?

[Ignatz]