Alex Jones and anti-semitism

[orestes]

I have come across a number of accusations that Alex is a plant for Israel or some such claim. All cite his unwillingness to criticize Israel or Zionism. (A good example is Daryl Bradford Smith on iamthewitness.com.) On Documentaries.ws on the show for the seventeenth of April approximately fifty minutes in he discusses the victimization of sephardic jews by the ashkenazi, kazarian jews and the jewish involvement in the radiating babies scandal. He does discuss US involvement, as he should. He does not exclude criticism of the Israeli state, far from it. He also mentions the censorship of the ADL, the zionist funding of Hitler, the use of accusations of Nazism to discredit criticism of Israel. I can find no justification for the claim that Alex is not to be trusted on this; rather I think the onus is on his critics to justify the accusations and explain their motivation.

[freddie]

I read that same hit piece and it backs up nothing - You mention the Jews and you're anti-semitic, you mention them less and you're a Zionist?!?!

[planetfrog]

Yeah, I've listened to the interview with D Smith and Eric Hufschmid, and to be honest was surprised at the level of attack on Jones, labeling him "a criminal" and part of the controlling network of disinfo. I've found little if any substance to support this and I feel really dissapointed with both Smith and personaly particularly Hufschmid.

To label Jones as a criminal just strikes me as being ludicrous with the work, dedication and time he's put in over the years. Never the less, if anyone can give me something more to go on I'm all ears too!

I just got the feeling these guys were getting a bit of a WingTV-ish vibe about them - focusing themselves more on issues of internal politics rather than the job at hand, I am willing to be proven wrong however.

Till then Jones rocks !

[orestes]

I agree planetfrog, there is an element of internal squabbling that is pretty pathetic for a minority movement but probably not unusual. When I discovered Eric H. I thought he was great, but after hearing the DBS interviews I had some doubts. There is some evidence of Israeli foreknowledge but not as much as they claim. Also, I find that Ben Freedman speech suspicious. It ends with 'when the tape was off, Ben admitted that all Jews know they worship Satan'. No. Just No. It has the ring of the kind of * frauds the CIA come up with (not that I'm saying it was them of course in this case) that seem like they were written by children - eg they found a will (for death) a Koran (for Islam) a flight manual (for the planes) and a prayer (cos theyre like mental) just after the attacks. The final straw came when I heard DBS talking about being threatened by a guy who flew over his house and then rang his doorbell threatening him with a photo of his house. err, we used to get people doing that all the time in my parents' house, they're trying to sell pictures to people who live in picturesque rural areas.

[planetfrog]

[andrewwatson]

There's all kind of junk floating around in this business. Smith is a complete waste of everyone's time. Personally I find Alex Jones's style hectoring and bombastic, but he gets the word out to a huge degree and he has to be one of the most respected people in the movement. If he's disinfo then Tony Blair is the Archbishop of Canterbury - actually he is already.

[orestes]

yup. you're 100 percent right Andrew. Alex is a * hero, and if he isn't on the right side god help us because we are truly alone.

[Annie]

I'm afraid I haven't been following detail of the the Eric/Daryl developments. However, I would like to say for the record that Dave and I have been on Daryl's radio show a few times each, about a whole range of subjects including 911, and always thought he asked all the right questions, and all the tough questions. Dave also spent a day with him last year, and we both spent some time with Alex when he was in London. They are both amazing, committed men.

We all bring our own life experiences and our own baggage to this campaign, and we don't have to agree with each other on the finer points of 911, but we are all seeking the truth in our own way. Let's be wary of turning on any of our fellow travellers. And that goes for Daryl, Alex and Eric too. There are plenty of other people more worthy of our ire.

[planetfrog]

[andrewwatson]

I hope you are right about them both, Annie. Unfortunately egos can get in the way even among the most peace-loving people - which Mr Smith does not appear to be. Hufschmid's comment that 99% of 911truthers are worthless reminds me forcibly of a site I once found called 'atruechurch' - I will not sully these columns with its URL - which believes that all except its own followers are destined to eternal damnation. Oh, I had fun with that site.

[John White]

I definately agree with Planetfrog, the green eyed monster explains everything about this need to label Jones dis-info for his own consistant world view...most amusingly I listened to an interview between Jones and George Galloway where Galloway discussed historical PRS and Jones discussed the manipulations of Zionism...which I had just read an assinie thread on a forum claiming both of them never did!

A very great pleasure to be here btw, big thanks to admin for helping straighten out my membership!

John

[Poseidon]

Daryl Smith and Eric Hufschmid are at least looking in the right direction. They correctly identify some disinfo agents, although Alex Jones is probably ok; they also point to disinformation such as "Black Pope" theories. The trouble is, they seem to be trying to outdo the criminal cabal in nastiness, and often go way over the top. Take the broadcast of 10 March 2006, for example (this page includes links to the audio file and a transcript). DBS, talking about Israel, calls for "full-scale carpet bombing of the entire nation", until there is "a hole so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom of the crater". George W Bush and Henry Kissinger are described as "homosexual sickos". In previous broadcasts, Smith has called for corrupt officials who took the odd $1 million or so to face a firing squad.

Now I don't mind admitting that I would like to see Israel "wiped off the map". But the cold-blooded killing of some five million Israelis just because of a theory that Israel and zionism could be behind events such as 9/11, and might take us into WWIII, would be amongst the most heinous war crimes in humankind's history. It would be a far graver crime than the coalition's killing of some 100,000 Iraqis purportedly because of a theory about "WMDs" and in reality for ulterior motives. Even a deliberate killing of, say, 5,000 people, because of a theory that it might save a greater number, would still be an enormous crime - a redistribution of life and death by a God-playing clique. I would want to see a bloodless, political solution which returned the land of Palestine to its pre-1948 condition when Jews and Arabs lived at peace with each other; before the territory was turned into an apartheid state where peace protesters are shot and bulldozed (or kidnapped, dressed in orange jumpsuits and beheaded in another land some 500 miles away) specifically as a deterrent; before the indigenes were cruelly abused; before the rogue state's spies were frequently apprehended, whether in a van with traces of explosives several hours after two skyscrapers had been demolished, or after stealing a passport from a teraplegic; before a property magnate linked to the rogue state took over the lease for an upmarket office complex and raised the insurance to billions of dollars, a mere seven weeks before three of the complex's skyscrapers were demolished; before a supporter of the rogue state was linked to the theft of up to $2.3 trillion from the Pentagon and to a company that makes transmitters for remote-controlled planes in the run-up to an attack by remote-controlled planes on the aforementioned skyscrapers; before a lobbyist for the rogue state was found to run gambling boats on which patsies for the skyscraper attack were observed; before agents of the rogue state demonstrated more than 24 hours' foreknowledge of the attacks in an internal memo at Goldman Sachs in Tokyo; and before the rogue state could coerce other states into handing over their own armed forces as the rogue state's private mercenaries. But even if eliminating the corruption required the deliberate killing of only 500 people, I would still opt to stay with the status quo.

The Iranians are right not to spell out what they mean by wiping Israel "off the map". If the international community leaves them alone, then of course they should not attack Israel; in this case the interpretation would be as per my description above. If they are attacked on trumped-up charges of having "WMDs" then they would have a right to defend themselves and the DBS interpretation would apply.

I would have liked DBS to say something like, "This is the alternative point of view, and what we would be calling for if we were as wicked as the neo-con warmongers. But we're not; we want to see a more peaceful solution." So this side of DBS is disappointing.

Eric Hufschmid is also too sceptical. He seems to have been taken in by the "Apollo moon landings were a hoax" theory that was put out in February and March of 2001 specifically to discredit sceptics as "conspiracy theorists" months later, when the cabal had planned a major false-flag attack.

Daryl deleted the December 9, 2005 interview with John Kaminski. JK was talking about a previous speech by Eustace Mullins, and said, "Eustace didn't just say bankers, he said Jewish bankers". JK then continued about how zionist/Israeli/Jewish are interchanged and labels such as Illuminati and Frankist are used, but "you have to understand that these are all Jewish-inspired agencies, or operations. He then continued about how "the Jews" had been thrown out of India and Spain. This was when DBS was still working for the Genesis network. At the time he did not challenge JK, but very shortly afterwards a message appeared on his site about how he didn't support the racist views of John Kaminski.

The Ben Freedman speech matches reality too well to be a CIA fake. One part that is misleading is where Freedman suggests that one of the three monotheistic faiths was selected at random. In fact, Judaism was selected because they did not want to be subserviant to Rome or Baghdad: Christianity and Islam were the two super-powers of the time (e.g. see Arthur Koestler The Thirteenth Tribe) Chapter II. As a Third Force in their own right, Jews could exploit divisions between Christians and Muslims - as has been seen right up to recent events with the Iraq war and the anti-Islam cartoons furore. In a letter by Freedman dated October 10, 1954, (carry on to page two and scroll down nearly to the bottom), he says King Bulan decided to reject Christianity and Islam. Freedman says the Khazars were phallic worshippers; other sources refer to shamanism and worship of spirits and the sky. I cannot locate a passage where Freedman says Jews are all Devil worshippers. Henry Makow, for instance, writes about Jewish Luciferians.

I think there is enough useful material on The French Connection site that he needn't be written off, but as ever, a caveat applies. None of us can ever be 100% correct, and you will never find two people who agree on everything (apart from Tony Blair and a crony). Even likely disinfo agents such as Joe Vialls included good information. Much of our suspicion of people as COINTELPRO probably derives from the extreme diversity of views between individuals. Rachel "North" gave a list of "conspiracy theory" sites she had studied and rejected. I noticed whatreallyhappened.com was included, but most of the others were rather suspect. If you imagine someone just waking up and they go to a site about "pod" theories, then first impressions may be so important that they will stay with the official theory. I think the researcher ought to judge the theory rather than the messenger; (s)he ought to pick and choose the theories they like from any given source and reject the remainder, using the good theories to construct their own hypothesis. In judging theories, individuals will rarely be in agreement.

[brian]

poseidon, have you a link to the - " internal memo at Goldman Sachs in Tokyo" First I have heard of this.

TIA

[John White]

A lot of intersting information in your post Poseidon:

However, as passionatly as I also feel that the abuses of Isreal must come to light and it is no better (in fact worse) that Apartheid South Africa, I am disturbed that your reasoning includes a 50/50 acceptance of an utter atrocity. The Isreali regime no more defines the Jewish people than Tony Blair defines englishmen

We cannot increase Peace, Balance and Justice in this world by allowing ourselves to fall into the cowardice of wishing a situation was not there: a desire for a nation to be put to the sword if x=y is a failure to deal with reality of the first order

To do so would surely make us guilty of the same arrogance and inhumanity this forum has been established to oppose

as for Daryl Bradford smith, its my considered opinion that he is a borderline Psychotic egomaniac...and i have studied his information AND allegations...sure, just my opinion, but I hold it nonetheless

On that basis, I'll side with the genuine heart of Alex Jones (faults 'n all) anyday

[orestes]

[quote="Poseidon"] I cannot locate a passage where Freedman says Jews are all Devil worshippers. Henry Makow, for instance, writes about Jewish Luciferians.
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No you're right. I got it confused with the Rosenthal interview they link to in the same place as the protocols of the elders of zion:

Dear reader -- after the tape machine had been turned off, I accused Harold Rosenthal of not living up to our agreement in replying truthfully to my question as to the Jews being God's Chosen people. He replied: "We are god's chosen people . . . Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- so I wasn't lying -- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
I was stunned. I had no further comment. I had watched this arrogant, boastful person change at times like a chameleon that changes its color. Many times he showed a hatred -- yes, even a venom. At the conclusion I felt unclean being around him.

This is ludicrous no?

http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rosenthal.html

[Poseidon]

The Goldman Sachs, Tokyo, internal memo was reported in the September 14 Counterpunch (scroll down to near bottom of article).

Considering New York time is 14 hours behind Tokyo, if it was the afternoon of September 10 in Tokyo it was still only in the early hours of the same day in New York.