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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Did BBC World "lose" 9/11 Record of Transmission? |
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Under its Charter & Statutes the BBC is required to archive ALL its news and current affairs output. Given the historical significance of the events of 9/11 it is virtually impossible that the relevant tapes could have been 'accidentally lost.'
The unearthed footage is quite a coup for 9/11 truthers. Unfortunately it won't cut much ice with 9/11 deniers. The Kennedy assassination conspiracists have banged on for years that Lee Harvery Oswald's death was reported in the New Zealand press hours before it actually happened.
It looks like the truthers have wrestled the Beeb into a 'Half Nelson' with footage of Jane Standley pouting to camera about WTC 7's (premature) demise. Looks like the BBC's PC brigade prevented the 'Full Nelson' by banning post imperial symbols like the BST clock being plastered across television screens in our former colonies.
If I were Richard Porter I'd try to wriggle out of this using either of the following:
1) That the press release BBC World News received was issued as a result of an internal investigation of WTC 7 by 'structural engineers' (no doubt employed by 'Popular Mechanics') that simply predicted the buildings' imminent collapse.
2) That the footage was in actual fact aired an hour later and that the building behind Standley was not WTC 7.
Porter and co would have a difficult problem with the second 'reason' as they'll have to find a Crankies style 'looky-likey' building to WTC 7.
*I have amended this post. Initially I suggested that sunset on the day took place at 6.23. In fact it took place 50 minutes later. Apologies to all truthers. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I know what WTC7 looked like when it's out, and that building behind Janie was WTC7. Promise |
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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The webmaster at prisonplanet.com has now discovered the original News 24 footage with the time stamp of 21:54 on it (4.54pm in NY). He has put the new footage up on his site. This proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the BBC News 24 anchor man was reporting receiving news of WTC 7 collapsing 26 minutes before it is known to have happened! This could be possible only if the source of that news KNEW that WTC 7 was going to collapse because it was being demolished. It would hardly have been sent out over the wires as a categorical statement of actual collapse if people had been merely anticipating that it might collapse. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Be a bit careful with the inflamatory claims about individuals' intentions without substantial evidence - have added "?" to the title of this thread. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: Is the BBC part of the conspiracy? |
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Is the BBC part of the conspiracy? Although it was not being alleged by the individual who discovered the video, that's clearly what Richard Porter is refuting in his response. Funny, that.
In my opinion, the BBC is effectively part of the conspiracy, by virtue of their spreading disinformation on 9/11 and their present attempts to obfuscate the truth.
Quote: | dis·in·for·ma·tion (dĭs-ĭn'fər-mā'shən)
n. 1. Deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government or especially by an intelligence agency in order to influence public opinion or the government in another nation: "He would be the unconscious channel for a piece of disinformation aimed at another country's intelligence service" (Ken Follett).
2. Dissemination of such misleading information. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: quite so |
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Indeed. A source close to the BBC explains that not only do the BBC archive news broadcasts for Charter driven obligations, but that the Beeb records ALL of its daily actual transmission for other reasons, including to store as evidence in potential litigation lawsuits. The daily recording system enjoys the amusing acronym ROT - ie recorded on transmission.
Additionally there exist numerous(many in London) Media Monitoring agencies who exist only to archive live transmissions, including, of course, the BBC. (Such archives will be easily able to pinpoint the times of all transmissions)
Mr Porter is at best being disingenous when he muses wherefore may he find a copy of his lost ROT.
What the BBc fears more than anything - more for example than the scathing, accurate criticisms recently levied at Messrs Smith and Porter, brushed off with bluster and condecension - is litigation. Hence the fastiduous retention of the ROT.
Incidentally, the charter as it stands makes for interesting reading. If the Beeb operated under a regular commercial model, then it would be wide open to litigation under the humble Trades Descriptions Act, if nothing else.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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alwun wrote: | Additionally there exist numerous(many in London) Media Monitoring agencies who exist only to archive live transmissions |
Has anybody got any idea who these media monitoring agencies are?
They may still have backups. _________________ "Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism"
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: BBC must have got the story from the horses mouth? |
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CNN?
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=20521
The couldn't make this story up themselves. They got it from other channels.
Sent the reporter to cover the story as it would happen.
They would not know its significance AFTER the event.
Now they are trying to cover up for lost ground and like a thief caught lying once too often come up with ridiculous arguments to backtrack. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Micpsi wrote: | The webmaster at prisonplanet.com has now discovered the original News 24 footage with the time stamp of 21:54 on it (4.54pm in NY). He has put the new footage up on his site. This proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the BBC News 24 anchor man was reporting receiving news of WTC 7 collapsing 26 minutes before it is known to have happened! This could be possible only if the source of that news KNEW that WTC 7 was going to collapse because it was being demolished. It would hardly have been sent out over the wires as a categorical statement of actual collapse if people had been merely anticipating that it might collapse. |
lol, yeah it was the one I uploaded and sent to em - thanks to physicist for finding it. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:57 am Post subject: |
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The discovery of the CNN's 'older' footage will, unfortunately, only help the Beeb to wriggle off the hook. The CNN report contans the fateul hedge:'...WTC 7 has collapsed or IS COLLAPSING.' The BBC can then claim that any subsequent press releases or notifications were just so many Chinese whispers.
But listen to the reason given for WTC 7's collapse: falling debris from the twin towers. Of course, this explanation has been airbrushed out of the historical texts. Easy to see why - footage here and of the actual collapse show no discernible damage either to the roof or to the facade of the building. At least the discovery of the damning footage spells the end for Popular Mechanics and their exploding fuel lines tosh. And that is a significant victory.
One final thought: a complaint could be brought against the BBC to the appropriate Parliamentary committee for failing to carry out its duties under its Charter (ie the secure archiving of its news output). A swift letter from a prominent Truther to one Michael Meacher MP should be enough to get this ball rolling.
Are you up for it Mr Gosling? |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: freedom of information |
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has anyone considered filing a request under the freedom of information Act?
BBC has an obligation to archive all live transmissions therefore it has the footage. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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^ This would be the case for the News 24 stuff, but BBC World is not covered by the charter and is run by corporate sponsorship. _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: 2 cents |
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The BBC will wriggle out of this by claiming it was a mistake - in fact they have already started saying this. If we claim this is "proof" then they will say it shows how ludicrous "conspiracy theorists" are when all it was was a simple mistake - they are saying this too. Therefore, the angle that we should take is "look at how intersting this is." Proof for me is WTC-7 - full stop. This video is just "interesting". Hyping it up is falling into their trap. They may turn around and say that their was an "engneer" who warned them it was about to collapse, and that this also explains how it collapsed (logic is not important). It may be no coincidence that this emerged just as WTC-7 is creating momentum. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: 2 cents |
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loosewires wrote: | They may turn around and say that their was an "engneer" who warned them it was about to collapse, and that this also explains how it collapsed (logic is not important). It may be no coincidence that this emerged just as WTC-7 is creating momentum. |
They may well do although if they do they will be changing their account since they have already said
Quote: | We didn't get told in advance that buildings were going to fall down. We didn't receive press releases or scripts in advance of events happening. |
Surely the angle to take is not to claim it proves anything but to keep asking those awkward questions they are clearly struggling to answer
1) get them to confirm in their own words WHEN this was broadcast
2) get them to name the editor and management team responsible at this time
3) keep pushing them to name their source for the story, which they have refused to do.
4) under the FOIA ask them to release all internal communications and records of meetings that have been in the last few days to discuss this matter
5) get them to confirm it is a live shot with WTC7 in the background as jane S talks to camera and to confirm the location of the studio, etc |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Leiff wrote: | alwun wrote: | Additionally there exist numerous(many in London) Media Monitoring agencies who exist only to archive live transmissions |
Has anybody got any idea who these media monitoring agencies are?
They may still have backups. |
There is a group in some Scottish University, I theink they're called 'Media Lens' or 'Media Watch' , something like that. They measure coverage of controversial issues. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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this is significant because:
it proves advance knowledge of collapse which the bbc now deny.
it points to a coverup. ie. bbc lost tapes and the google & web archive deletions.
it's an excellent sensational way to raise the profile of wtc7 and the campaign. note, in the media age it's he who gets the story out first who often wins.
we win a battel in the digiwar.
ie. there's 100s of copies still on google video/utube. _________________ Have No Fear! Peace, Love & Hemp is here!
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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if www.bbcworld.com is a seperate entity why is it using the bbc.co.uk website for it's reply?
does this issue appear on the above site? _________________ Have No Fear! Peace, Love & Hemp is here!
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Well there must be some archives still availiable at the BBC because I found this yesterday.
Newsnight 911 2001,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_4180000/newsid_4184800/4184805 .stm?bw=bb&mp=rm
Stephen Evans bit is interesting. (He mentions bombs going of at one point).
Bearing in mind the time stamped footage from news 24.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Re: 2 cents |
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Quote: | We didn't get told in advance that buildings were going to fall down. We didn't receive press releases or scripts in advance of events happening. |
They have effectively closed off their own get-outs here. If they weren't told in advance it was going to come down, they can't blame the mistake on an outside source. Likewise if they say they didn't receive a press release saying it HAD just come down, then they are saying nobody told them it had collapsed .
Which means that someone from the BBC's own team down at GZ must have given them the news that WTC7 was down.
They are admitting that they got it wrong without saying so. This is
something that we should be pursuing with the utmost tenacity. |
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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andyb wrote: | ^ This would be the case for the News 24 stuff, but BBC World is not covered by the charter and is run by corporate sponsorship. |
BBC World is an imprint of BBC World Ltd one of several commercial organisations that are wholly owned by the BBC. Whilst there are obvious exemptions that obtain here under the BBC Charter (eg the right to secure sponsorship and advertising) these almost certainly do not apply to news and current affairs output (much of which is gathered, produced and edited 'centrally').
The unearthed footage looks like it may well have been aired simultaneously on BBC News 24. |
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