Amnesty member implies we are whacko!!!!!

[David WJ Sherlock]

As an active member of Amnesty, I am shocked to receive an email from a group colleague as this one. I have sent all the members of my AI group regular updates on 9/11. Trying to educate them as to the truth. The member who sent the offending email, is the very person who is running the War On Terror Campaign for AI Bromley and Orpington (local group). The latest piece I sent to the members, was the BBC footage of the report of the Salomon Brothers Building (WTC 7) collapse recently unearthed, where the report is telling us the WCT 7 had collapsed while it is still there behind her. How can we expect a balanced campaign from this man, even though he obviously has not looked at the evidence I have furnished him with, and attempted to make me look like a "tinfoil hat brigade member. The majority of the group treat me like I am misguided. I have therefore decided to quit Amnesty. Amnesty, I believe is a valid organisation and does good in the world. But I also believe it has a strong script for members to work to, and will not shift from that script. I bent over backwards to try to get them to represent Arron James. you may remember Alex Jones run a piece on Arron regarding Racial Profiling on the NWA flight. Arron was beaten and Tazared by Law enforcement Officers. Arron now lives in fear of reprisal and AI told me they did not want to know. They said, "We do not take on individual cases such as this. Here is the link to Bromley and Orpington AI Local Group's Homepage: http://www.aibromley.freeuk.com/ Contact and educate them. aibromley@btinternet.com


To Patrick

As a member of the 9/11 truth movement. I like the rest of the movement believe it was an inside job. Please see attached.

The bigger mystery of the day, was the collapse of building 7 which was not hit by any planes. Now it could be implied that even our own national news outlet. (The BBC) are complicit in the dupe. A news reporter in New York is reporting on the day of the attack, regarding the collapse of building 7. WTC 7 collapsed later in the day approx eight hours later. We see the reporter live from NY reporting the collapse (Nothing odd there you may think). The problem is, WCT is still standing there behind her in shot. How does that work. Bear in mind what she is saying.

See the report here:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/270207trustanything. htm

What do you think?

Dave.

The Reply:

David,

I believe that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare's plays, I believe the Great Fire of London was accidentally started in a baker's shop and not by catholics, I believe Hitler killed himself and did not disappear to South America, I believe that Elvis Presley is dead, I believe Princess Diana was killed because of a car accident in which the driver had been drinking and was driving too fast and the passengers were not wearing seat belts,I believe that Jesus Christ was crucified,died and rose again on the third day and the Da Vinci Code is piffle and I believe that the Twin Towers were destroyed by arab terrorists to the complete horror of the USA government and the rest of the world. So you can see that I am not interested in conspiracy theories.

What I am interested in, is doing what I can,within Amnesty, to defend human rights against the awful consequences of the so called 'War on Terror' . The success of Amnesty's work depends on careful collection and validation of evidence of human rights abuses and the preparation of accurate and well balanced reports and campaigns ,which can command the respect of a wide group of people. For Amnesty to involve itself in conspiracy theories would undermine the whole work of the organisation.

The conspiracy theories obviously are your interest, but not mine, so please take me off your circulation list. I am interested in matters which have a direct connection with the work of the Bromley AI group and hope you will keep in touch on that.

With best wishes,

Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: david.sherlock63 [mailto:david.sherlock63@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 27 February 2007 23:31
To: Patrick
Subject: 9/11

[paul wright]

Do what anyone would do. Piss the sucker off your list of contacts.Amnesty isn't that great - they're ineffectual to say the best.
Don't waste your time with wanqeurs.
I can't say better than that.
There are more important things to do

[mark_e]

actually he could have just written 'remove me from your mailing list' and not bothered to give you a reason. i think his response was quite polite really. he didn't call you a wacko, in fact it was far less offensive than the reply from an mep posted on here recently. your 'tryin to educate' could be seen as spamming, albeit with the right intention.

the situation is kind of the same with the stop the war coalition. we all want the wars stopped and those responsible brought to justice. they focus on their stuff we focus on ours. i go to their meetings and some of them come to ours. some of them really don't like us and think we're at best irrelevant and at worst damaging to their movement. some of them tell me that.

personally i would like to see everyone who wants to make a difference to the course our society is on stand together. in reality i doubt this would happen. which one is the judean people's front?

cheer up, Dave, let it go and move on. don't just drop ai becaus of something someone said or because they won't take on your cause, no matter how noble.

[Batrabill]

Just a tip, but there is a direct connection between the number of exclamation marks you use and your level of insanity.

Hello Sane

Hello! Bit odd

Hello!! Oh Dear

Hello!!! Bonkers

Hello!!!! Mad as a Lorry

Hope this helps

[paul wright]

That's a bit of a misleader because the only !s appear in the header
As an expression of surprise,shock!!!!,horror!!!!
Nothing particularly fruitcake about it
Just piss the numbskulls off I say!!!!!!

[Batrabill]

Oh!!!!!!

Sane????


Or???????


Bonkers!!!!!!!!!

Oh please, ban me.

[Snowygrouch]

Same old nonsense,
Oooo my government lies to us about wars and lied to us abour iraq which got 500,000 killed but they would NEVER EVER lie to us about REAL things....NEVER!!!! they are all so sincere!!!

What a load of S**T.

Typical *. I`m really pissed off now, where is the SANITY PEOPLE!

C.

[chek]

It's one of the reasons I no longer have the patience for a lot of
sites and organisations that consider themselves 'progressive'.

They seem to whinge on about symptoms - judiciously, as they will - without realising they're examining different aspects of the same elephant (in the room).

[marky 54]

[Batrabill]

Lighten up marky.

I have posted on CD - something I know a fair bit about, and the media - something I know a fair bit about, but because it's an alternative view to the orthodoxy on this site it gets ignored.

[physicist]

He believes that someone rose from the dead????!!!!!!

[marky 54]

[xmasdale]

[Zabooka]

I really strongly! Believe people should stop insulting and hassling people who do not accept 911 Truth!

Instead of trying to get someone who is not convinced of 911 Truth to go and visit Alex Jones website, which is highly unlikely... I would have said in this case, what has Amnesty International got to do with 911 Truth? Why are you guys making a comment on 911 Truth?

Secondly, to then have people here to say oh Amnesty International doesn't really do much good anyway... Imagine that person now telling all his Amnesty International buddies to come view this thread. They would see that a person here is calling them ineffective and then pass that off as, okay, so anyone who disagrees with them can't be all good. Do you think any one of them would want to have anything to do with 911 truth now?

I am pretty dissappointed here to say the least. If you are claiming truth, then you should know better to be patient and keep to good manners, even when you are treated with bad manners, for once you show signs of bad manners it reflects badly on the entire movement.

I make a plea for you all to stop taking it personally when you face deniers, to stop insulting them, to stop belittling them.

You do a lot more harm to the movement than good.

[Skeptic]

I would say that coming out with stuff like '9/11 was an inside job' is only going to hurt your cause.

For people who are sceptical you have to carefully build a bridge between what their current world view is and one where they could begin to accept that the official story is false/ flawed. Only once they start to question the official story would they even begin to consider inside involvement a possibility.

If I were you I would carefully summarise the facts presented in 9/11 Press for Truth and send those out in an email.

Good luck.

[blackcat]

The man from Amnesty believes that Christ was crucified and rose from the dead because it is a mainstream belief, however irrational. Any nonsense is acceptable to his kind as long as it is widely held and therefore "safe" to believe. Belief in government complicity in the 9/11 attacks however is perfectly rational given the evidence, but is not mainstream, therefore it is unacceptable to his kind. He has no opinions of his own in reality and there are many like him. Our task is therefore to get our beliefs to become mainstream and it is slowly happening. Pretty soon his kind will feel it safe to become converts.

[xmasdale]

[Reflecter]

NWOWATCH,

hang in there with AI and show you are commited to the very valid efforts on civil rights abuses that they continue to highlight. If it wasnt for them and organisations like the UCLA, the world would would be lacking the evidence of the Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib abuses for starters. These are as proof positive of the injustices which the general populace has become desensitized to, that are now routine abuses in the name of 9/11, as anyone awake could ask for. Whilst the ACLU's PIZZA clip is a powerful tool for making people realise just how strange things might get, when every company gets hooked into massive data-whoring.

Whilst I also agree that the AI leaders comments are very mainstream and regarding the resurrection, possibly incredulous, his response was civil and to the point. What does it gain AI, who are committed to exposing abuses that can be tangibly fought over in courts, in the hope of preventing such incidences from arising in future? He himself is someone you wont win over, so let it go but accept his offer to stick around.

I also appreciate how annoying it is that many campaigns simply will not gives us any time, when ulitmately we are concerned over the same issues but we are choosing to highlight the cause, rather than treat its symptoms. Like the medical system, this is the 'comfortable' zone for now, for sadly too many.

I thoroughly agree and praise Xmasdale, Zabooka and Skeptic for their wise words here, for we cannot any longer 'stick it people' and yell for them to 'WTFU zombie sheeple gatekeepers'. Its counterproductive and found to be insulting.

Now as much as the BBC is at fault over 'lost' footage of such importance that should've been duplicated X times over. Or of poor journalism in not knowing which buildings were which, after 7 hours of live feeds. Or of not owning up to the source of this seeming foreknowledge. Shouting at them and making accusations we cant always corroborate, is perhaps playing into whomevers agenda and working against us in the short term.

Personally I am stunned by the recent footage unearthed but slightly annoyed aswell. Why were quiet efforts not made away from public postings, to secure ALL of those files prior to AJ making the find so public? We may have just lost alot more damning footage in the process.

Regardless and my opinion is probably not worth the monitor space its occupying but I really do feel the 9/11 movement has to actively embrace as many campaigns as possible and show its members to be committed activists to wider causes. We do give a damn afterall and if we show we do, whilst we continue our own efforts, then maybe some of them will in return.

[physicist]

I've tried to discuss 9/11 on other forums where general discussions are allowed. There's normally a 9/11 thread on there somewhere.

You always get some idiot who says "Where's Flight 77 then???? On the moon with Elvis, Lord Lucan and Shergar???" or something similar.

I always say I don't know what happened to it.

[Zabooka]

Thank you Reflector for understanding me.

physicist - if they ask where are the planes, then tell them about Operation Northwoods. In that, you will find how they planned to make planes and passengers "disappear". If you read up on it, it will allow you to be able to answer such questions on so what happened to the planes and the passengers. I am not saying that that is what happened, what I am saying is that, it is possible that something like this is possible as they already planned to do with with Cuba a long time ago.

[QuitTheirClogs]

[sidlittle]

[Micpsi]

[sidlittle]

[Zabooka]

[telecasterisation]

[Zabooka]

[QuitTheirClogs]

[physicist]