forum shrills and disinfo agents

[Poacher]

Can someone remind me where there is information on the USA gov hiring people to 'counter' subversive information on the internet?

I remember reading about them having a large budget and hiring with the view to stop any 'outlandish theories' spreading on the internet. I can't remember exactly where but I know I have seen it.

Thanks in advance

[thought criminal]

[johndoe]

it it not odd that everyone who comes onto this forum and disagrees with the view here they are labelled a shill? like noone could come on here who doesn't agree with the conspiracy theory and anyone that disagrees is an agent of the government.

for a forum about truth that does seem a little one sided. surely to establish any "truth" then all sides need to be considered

[scar]

[johndoe]

sorry but what does OCT stand for?

"Most know the OCT well. Theres a critics corner here where that view is allowed 24/7. Whats the problem"

knowing the OCT isn't enough, what needs to be allowed is an open debate. limiting it to one part of the forum is far from open.

[QuitTheirClogs]

[Poacher]

Hi TC, thanks for the link - I had not seen that before. . .

[kbo234]

[Poacher]

[Pikey]

johndoe wrote:-

[Poacher]

[scar]

[John White]

OCT = "Official Conspiracy Theory" IE Pin-it-on-Bin did it

[QuitTheirClogs]

[Poacher]

[johndoe]

"I find it odd that anyone who generally accepts the official conspiracy theory (OCT) would bother posting on this site. I wonder what their motivation is."

general interest.

"Nothing on your profile JD nd your already a prolific poster, 40 in 4 days.
You'll find that rate of posting is a characteristic in critics corner."

i average 13.28 a day in another forum, so not really a big deal for me.

"If you dont support the purpose of this website or global 911 truth campaign demand to have a full professional INDEPENDENT investigation into exposing 911 truth then why would anyone wish to visit here,"

i have no problem with there being an independent investigation. but what does puzzle me is why a website devoted to an independent inquiry does not practice that same independence and lack of bias.

if you want a website based solely on the conspiracy theory then that is fine, but do not paint that as truth. truth can only be established through open debate and reasoned argument.

there is a reason why things become accepted as right and that is because they manage to stand up to questioning.

[QuitTheirClogs]

JD – do you believe the OCT (i.e. that 9/11 was orchestrated by Osama bin Laden plus 19 Muslim hijackers) is generally true?

[johndoe]

hmmm..... i do wonder why you chose to ask that question clogs, the answer seems pretty obvious.

[TonyGosling]

My understanding is that this forum is for those who want to pull apart and explore the nature of the deep and dark 911 cover up. I for one believe it to be just about the most horrendous crime in the history of humanity - so awful that the purpetrators can never admit to it and will probably feel it necessary to prepare an even more horrendous false-flag attack to continue with their curséd plan for world domination - and in an attempt to divert the attention of justice (eg. Scooter Libby today) away from themselves.

That's almost impossible to do with certain users interrupting a fruitful discussion of facts taking the investigation forward - with pedantic points which take us back six years to the official lies.

That's where an element of common sense and moderation come in - detecting when posters are posing bogus questions to waste time or real doubts about how far from the official story our enquiries are going.

We moderators need to be told when regular genuine posters - particularly people we've met in the flesh - PM us to flag up what they believe is a poster disrupting bthreads - and we can ban people quite quickly as we did AJ today who was posting convoluted BS t the BBC World WTC7 topic. Knowing of course that half the nation's media editors and BC World staff are reading the thread.

So please let us know - phone during normal hours if necessary - if you see a "shill" in action. Don't whatever you do, rise to the bait because we can zap them and their posts if any 2 of us agree with your prognosis.

Tony
07786 952037

[QuitTheirClogs]

[johndoe]

tony if you truly believe that the government seeks to infiltrate this website then may i suggest that posting your mobile address may not be wise. of course i don't believe that kind of stuff, but if you're into that then i would expect a little unwarranted paranoia.

[TonyGosling]

Haiku:

John Doe - A dribbling wraith who feeds on fear
To the Glasshouse or to the Brig
Get dat yellow belly out of here
Court Marshall!

okay too many syllables but you get the point John


NOW WHERE WERE WE BEFORE THAT LITTLE DIVERSION???
Not sure if we allow this sort of discussion here - but here goes anyway

Who pays the shills?

errr.... want stuff on who might pay the shills?
http://www.bilderberg.org/infowar.htm#domination

also be aware of this EMP & microwave weapon threat to servers etc. etc. if you're not already
http://www.bilderberg.org/micwaves.htm

and this interesting way of bringing the entire internet to its knees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning

[Serge]

[Thermate]

Generally the people who arrive here (who don't get paid to come here) have already seen through the cloud of lies, cover-ups, gagging orders and propaganda that is known as the Official Conspiracy Theory.

Why would a mainstream-media-zombie pump "911 uk" into Google in the first place? I'm sorry its just all sooo far-fetched johndoh ;(

[johndoe]

"JD, the truth cannot be arrived at by open debate and/or argument."

that is exactly how truth is arrived at. it is decided by a lack of bias and a free environment.

if your arguments stands up then there should be no problem with letting it be challenged.

"The truth is arrived at by the evidence which has been authenticated."

and who does this authenticating?

truth is established when it cannot be disproved. to not allow attempts at disproval leaves you with an unproven hypothesis and nothing more. it's one of the fundamentals of scientific reasoning.

if your struggling now against a few folk with too much time on their hands how are you going to fare once you have gained some credibility (i assume that's what you want) and people really start ripping into it.

every hypothesis must be tested in order to prove it. and it must be continually tested.

[kc]

Jesus Tony, a guy pops in asking a few questions and you call him a yellow bellied wraith? Could such insular tactics be behind the enormous public success the movement is having?

The "fact" that people who disagree with you are paid shills...how far into your lives does this extend? I'm curious, if I have a fender bender with another motorist and I disagree with his version of blame, should I call him a shill? If I disagree with you on glabal dimming does that make me a shill? Or is it only if I believe in OCT that I'm a shill?

What if someone believes in MIHOP over LIHOP - who gets to shout shill there, the MIHOP or the LIHOP?

As to why most OCT people come here, I would say intellectual curiosity. In my case it lasted nearly a month before I arrived at my conclusions and stopped visiting regularly. I only pop back now and again when I see threads such as this.

OF course, my CIA pay has dropped comensurately ;)

[SHERITON HOTEL]

I've said it before, I know, but why doesn't Alex Jones investigate this '9/11 inside job denyer' industry? A real smoking gun, Guy Smith (peddlar in trash telly)asked on the AJ show 'you're not saying I'm part of the conspiracy are you?' without doing the research you'd have to be a mindreader to answer that one!

[Mark Gobell]

[SHERITON HOTEL]

My personal 'acid test' for 'inside job denyers is to ask them whether they believe the grainy "911? I dunnit"home video OBL allegedly carelessly left out for his old CIA pals to find was genuine. This, of course, is only one of many weak links in the official CT.

I also mention it as several months ago someone posted on here a link about an investigation into the real origins of 'the OBL confession tape',it's so frustrating, these things just seem to disappear.

[thought criminal]