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What have we done? - it's there for 5 billion years - what a legacy to leave our children and grandchildren. The DU cloud is starting to drift towards Europe I believe!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17249.htm
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You can order the Poison DUst DVD here
The Beyond Treason DVD also covers the DU issue very well.
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| while i am not a big fan of depleted uranium it must be pointed out u-238 is isn't very radioactive at all. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| johndoe wrote: | | while i am not a big fan of depleted uranium it must be pointed out u-238 is isn't very radioactive at all. |
Define 'very'.
Are you saying it doesnt cause the widely reported birth defects or the many other problems throughout the body?
If not i dont see the point of you saying 'isn't very radioactive at all'.
Did you watch Poison Dust?
Beyond Treason?
This:
http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
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Mark Gobell
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DU is radiologically harmful.
DU is chemically toxic.
DU is known to be harmful to mammals.
DU is known to cuase birth defects.
DU in munitions burns. When DU burns is releases Uranium Oxide. Uranium Oxide emits alpha, beta and gamma radiation which can be carried in air currents over long distances.
When Uranium Oxide is inhaled it poses a long term health risk to humans and other mammals.
DU loses half it's radioactivity in 4.5 billion years.
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"DU is radiologically harmful."
it's even less harmful than naturally occurring uranium.
"Define 'very'."
see above. it doesn't penetrate deeply either.
it is toxic if taking into the body however...... so is lead. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| johndoe wrote: | | it is toxic if taking into the body |
So, you agree then.
Glad that's settled.
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"So, you agree then.
Glad that's settled."
i agree it's about as dangerous as lead. so getting rid of DU shells will do no good whatsoever as it will just be lead dust instead. |
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You sir are a complete waste of time.
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| johndoe wrote: | "So, you agree then.
Glad that's settled."
i agree it's about as dangerous as lead. so getting rid of DU shells will do no good whatsoever as it will just be lead dust instead. |
Oh boy.
I think you'll find lead does not emit radiation, even when ingested.
It's the internalised radioactive particles bombarding cells in close proximity that make DU a big deal.
However, your denial does you proud.
You should make a first class citizen of the NWO.
Ignorance is Strength, Arbeit macht frei, etc etc.
Repeat as necessary.
Or ... try talking to some Vets with Gulf War syndrome about how harmless it is before swallowing propaganda.
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"I think you'll find lead does not emit radiation, even when ingested. "
emmission from depleted uranium is negilible.
the toxicity of it is what i would be worried about.
i'm not denying it's dangerous or a bad thing. i'm denying the problem is it's rather small radioactivity (smaller than naturally occurring uranium which people ingest everyday as well). |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| johndoe wrote: | "I think you'll find lead does not emit radiation, even when ingested. "
emmission from depleted uranium is negilible.
the toxicity of it is what i would be worried about.
i'm not denying it's dangerous or a bad thing. i'm denying the problem is it's rather small radioactivity (smaller than naturally occurring uranium which people ingest everyday as well). |
No, you are missing the point about DU.
It's both toxic (like lead) AND radioactive (like ... er... radioactive stuff) and extremely dangerous to cells once inside the system of any living thing.
Try reading up on it outside of Jane's Big Book of Macho Weapons For Boys With Small Dicks.
This article will get you started - though no doubt you'll be able to write it off as a bunch of lefty bleeding heart scientists bleating about an effective way of dealing with waste material.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3627
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Poison dust video - Depleted Uranium |
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Strange coincidence that the person who is wearing the light blue shirt was sued in a judge judy courtroom, which was shown on ITV2 today 
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"It's both toxic (like lead) AND radioactive (like ... er... radioactive stuff) and extremely dangerous to cells once inside the system of any living thing."
okay lets go over some basic stuff about uranium. it exists naturally in the soil, and because of that we ingest it. it's radioactive but does no real harm. no DU is even less reactive than the stuff that occurs naturally and we ingest normally. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| johndoe wrote: | | okay lets go over some basic stuff about uranium. it exists naturally in the soil, and because of that we ingest it. it's radioactive but does no real harm. no DU is even less reactive than the stuff that occurs naturally and we ingest normally. |
Ok let's consider some basic stuff.
Military personnel and civilians that have been in combat zones where DU has been used show significantly higher rates of birth defects and physiological breakdown.
But you're saying that would have happened anyway due to naturally occurring radiating particles, and basically they're making a fuss over nothing, because heaven knows, DU is as pure as the driven snow.
Right, I think I can see where you're coming from. But I'd dump those shares in Hell Weapons Inc before the global class action suit gets started - I don't think your denial will be well received.
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"But you're saying that would have happened anyway due to naturally occurring radiating particles,"
no i'm saying the problem is toxicity not radioactivity. |
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| johndoe wrote: | "But you're saying that would have happened anyway due to naturally occurring radiating particles,"
no i'm saying the problem is toxicity not radioactivity. |
And yet it's the alpha radiation emitted by DU that damages cell chromosomes and alters DNA, which is the likely cause of birth defects, quite apart from its toxic effects to the first generation host carrier.
I'm not sure what you're trying to establish here, but whatever it is, it's less than convincing so far...
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"And yet it's the alpha radiation emitted by DU that damages cell chromosomes and alters DNA"
but the problem is that the steak you had for dinner is probably more damaging (radioactivity of natural uranium is higher). |
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| johndoe wrote: | "And yet it's the alpha radiation emitted by DU that damages cell chromosomes and alters DNA"
but the problem is that the steak you had for dinner is probably more damaging (radioactivity of natural uranium is higher). |
If you're happy to think that you know the answers and ignore the circumstantial evidence in the Balkans, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan then feel free to stuff as much DU down your gullet as you can handle.
I - and given the choice - probably the rest of the planet, would rather not thanks, no matter how 'safe' it's claimed to be. I'd further estimate that you're overlooking the concentrations too.
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I've been watching this thread and would suggest trying to resist feeding the troll, but i can no longer.
personally i would say that using a weapon that has a radiological element is wrong however you look at it.
these figures are from memory, but i think they're correct. please feel to correct them if they're wrong. they're taken fron doug rokke, one of the chief medical officers in the us army du project.
alpha particle energy = 4Mev
cell working energy = 10ev
so the alpha particle hits the cell with 400000 times it's working energy, which will cause a problem. birth defects, cancers etc
yes, naturally occurring uranium ore may well be more radioactive than du, but it is not set on fire pulverised and released into the atmosphere. du has been mixed with the surface layer of soil in zones where it has been used. if the zones lacks rain, the dust is raised with each wind and the du enters the lungs again. how many times have you seen the dust on your car in britain after summer rain that the met office blame on sandstorms in the sahara? i can think of at least 2 occasions, so i would say (from a selfish point of view) the use of du in iraq in particular is both a big deal and important to us. |
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" but it is not set on fire pulverised and released into the atmosphere."
no instead you just ingest it with every meal. |
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