Apollo Moon Landings Faked?

[Ignatz]

[karlos]

the movie capricorn one was quite close to the mark and shows moon landings was an in joke for many

[Ignatz]

[blackcat]

[Johnny Pixels]

[Ignatz]

[johndoe]

of not as well is the fact that 33 out of the 36 atronauts who were part of the moon landings have contracted cataracts. probably caused by the van allen belts.

losing your sight to see the surface of the moon, probably worth it.

[flamesong]

An excuse in germination?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6460089.stm

[Ignatz]

[telecasterisation]

[flamesong]

[Ignatz]

[johndoe]

"36 astronauts who were part of the moon landings? I note you cite no source for this - 6 missions supposedly went = 6 x 3 astronauts + 1 failure = 1 x 3 = 36? "

telecastration you made the mistake of counting only the astronauts who were part of the moon landing crews.

my mistake really i should have said apollo astronauts. (excluding apollo 1 of course)

"As for the use of 'probably caused by van allen belts', fabulous assumption."

methinks a cataracts rate of 91.7% is far from coincidence.

[ZUCO]

By that same standard Im sure you agree that drills on 7/7 are far from coincidence. Or do you have double standards?



ps: sorry for hijacking the thread, back to moon landing fakery.......

[flamesong]

Regarding that calculation, aren't you forgetting a couple of things. Some astronauts went more than once and some orbited the Moon.

Have walked on the Moon (allegedly):

1 Neil Armstrong - Apollo 11 July 20, 1969
2 Buzz Aldrin

3 Pete Conrad - Apollo 12 November 19-20, 1969
4 Alan Bean

5 Alan Shepard - Apollo 14 February 5-6, 1971
6 Edgar Mitchell

7 David Scott - Apollo 15 July 31–August 2, 1971
8 James Irwin

9 John W. Young - Apollo 16 April 21-23, 1972
10 Charles Duke

11 Eugene Cernan - Apollo 17 December 11-14, 1972
12 Harrison Schmitt

Have orbited the Moon (allegedly):

1 Frank Borman - Apollo 8
2 Jim Lovell - Apollo 8, Apollo 13: intended to land
3 Bill Anders - Apollo 8

4 Tom Stafford - Apollo 10
5 John Young - Apollo 10 (later landed on Apollo 16)
6 Eugene Cernan - Apollo 10 (later landed on Apollo 17)

7 Michael Collins - Apollo 11

8 Dick Gordon - Apollo 12 (had been slated to land on Apollo 1

9 Jack Swigert - Apollo 13
10 Fred Haise - Apollo 13: intended to land (had been slated to land on Apollo 19)

11 Stuart Roosa - Apollo 14 (may have been slated to land on Apollo 20)

12 Al Worden - Apollo 15

13 Ken Mattingly - Apollo 16

14 Ronald Evans - Apollo 17

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apollo_astronauts

So, 12 landed. 14 orbited (two of whom later landed).

Therefore a total of 24 have left Earth and orbited or landed on the Moon.

Whether or not they landed is irrelevant as far as the Van Allen Belts are concerned.

[Johnny Pixels]

If the Van Allen belts are so dangerous, why didn't NASA just say "we can't go because it will kill everyone on board"? I mean, if George Bush said "lets go on a trip to the centre of the Earth by the end of the decade", people would point out that it couldn't be done. They wouldn't fake an entire program to get a man to the centre of the Earth and then spend the rest of the future of mankind trying to cover up the fakery.

That would be quite absurd.

[Ignatz]

[flamesong]

[Ignatz]

[marky 54]

[flamesong]

[karlos]

[telecasterisation]

Thus far, no-one has supplied any information/figures stating the effective shielding supplied by the vehicle the astronauts supposedly went to the moon in. The question therefore is not the fact that wandering through the Van Allen Belt will certainly kill you - of course this will not happen provided you are shielded sufficiently.

Until such time as proof positive is supplied, then yes I still believe that we never went to the moon due to the lethal qualities of the Van Allen Belt.

This is exactly as I said it would be - just another thread of 'I say that, you say this' - using information on one site to counter that of another. Unless any of it can be corroborated, then it all means nothing and goes nowhere.

There are many other reasons why I believe it was faked, I do not believe that 6 missions went and no-one died given the technology of the day - but I did supply an image of the reflector earlier in the thread. One side should have been in deep shadow just like the indentations in the surrounding area - it was brightly lit - how?

As for the question of 36 astronauts being involved in the Moon landings, it was stated by Mr Doe;

[flamesong]

[Ignatz]

[marky 54]

iggy said:
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Did you ever address the point about lunar rock samples that had been studied all over the world? [qoute]

its very well known lunar rock is studied around the world, however what year was the samples obtained? were they collected by man or a robot mission? etc. i dont think your point proves anything unless people are saying ALL moon landings are faked.

i get the feeling however most just think the earlier missions were faked because of the technology back then or lack of.

i dont know if they were faked or not and i aint really bothered as i dont think it is the main issue of today, but i have no doubt that the technology exsists today to get there and land etc. but i am a bit sceptical about what means they would of had back in the day of the first landing, so ill be keeping tabs on this thread just out of intrest.

like i said i dont know if they were faked but i can see a big plus from faking the first few missions.

1. you beat the russians to it.

2. great achievment for mankind the u.s takes the credit and gets the funding to develop better technology for future missions as the russians still couldnt get there at this point so the cash flow would go americas way.

3. funding for new technology keeps america ahead of the rest in terms of advancement.

4. control of space thanks to beating the russians (apparently) and get massive funding to develop better technology, thanks to the funding america is way ahead of the russians today.

5. where would america stand if the russians had been the first to the moon and they got all the funding and control over space?

that is of course if it was faked.

but i can see why faking it if it was, needed to be done, especially during the cold war, fool the enemy into thinking you are more advanced than them and beat them to the moon. they then managed to develop better technology after a few fake landings to make the fake become reality, but that could'nt be exsposed or the public would want to know why they lied etc. it would be like a country making up mock nukes and parading them on the back of lorrys to fool outsiders into thinking they are more powerful than first thought and therefore not a country to be messed with, and that has happened before.

anyway that is if they were faked.

but the reason i dont care is because if america had'nt of got there first the russians would of, and a more advanced and weaponised russia would not of been good over the years gone by, but as it stands today with the bush adminstration in office i dont know which is worse a more advanced russia or a more advanced america.

to anyone who thinks getting to the moon first wasnt important or that it didnt advance that countrys technology and funding of better technology and help towards being a bigger threat war wise i have to wonder which planet you come from. but the landings being faked or not isnt an issue with me, it was either real or if it wasnt faked then the russians would of got their first which means we would be no better of anyway with the effect it had on the world, it may well of been worse.

sorry for the essay i just dont think people have thought through the alternative if they didnt fake it, if indeed it was faked.

[johndoe]

"what about non 'moon landings' astronauts? how many of them got cataracts? or even airline pilots. "

welli counted all the appollo astronauts as "moon landing astronauts". and the reason we count them is because they are the only astronauts to go beyond low earth orbit.

of course at the south atlantic anamoly astronauts in the ISS will go through the van allen belt too.

"of course this will not happen provided you are shielded sufficiently."

or if you don't spend alot of time there.

shielding, distance and time. the 3 ways to reduce radiation.

"Can Mr Doe supply a link to the information that details;"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations#Ioni zing_radiation_and_heat

[Johnny Pixels]

[rodin]

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[marky 54]