Global warming causes...biggest con since 9/11... Mars proof

[ian neal]

I think the 'swindle' documentary failed to give a fair and balanced presentation of the science. No one is denying the influence of sun spots and solar activity on earth's climate, but it is one factor in a very complex picture.

I could give you my opinion but despite having studied climatology at university and professionally, I wouldn't pretend to be any kind of authority so it wouldn't actually mean that much.

I don't dismiss the theories presented in 'swindle' out of hand. There is considerable uncertainty when it comes to understanding and modelling climate change. But given that at the other extreme we are talking about the very real risk of runaway climate change and the future viability of the planet, I would always take the precautionary approach. What we are not well served by is biased and distorted presentations of the science and that is what Durkin's film is.

I wouldn't trust Durkin any more than I would trust Blair. He has considerable form in misrepresenting science and the views of the environmental movement for very dubious motives and this was a particularly true of this documentary. In particular I found his argument that there is some kind of sinister conspiracy between the vast majority of the world's climate scientists and the green movement to be laughable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_(television_director)

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[ian neal]

Hi N

In making the argument that the Kean Commission was a Bush appointed whitewash and the MSM is in on its cover-up, it is very easy to find the evidence.

If someone can show me that the IPCC and the work of the scientists who support the man-made global warming hypothesis are similarly compromised and in the pockets of the dark forces I might take Durkin's assertion more seriously. The fact that universities get money mostly from governments is not evidence of this because that is how universities and their research is funded. Have you looked at where some of those featured in his documentary get their money from?

Can you see why I consider Durkin and several of the contributors to his documentary to be highly suspect? Do you see why his attacks on the green movement (our natural allies) and his phoney concern for Africa's 'development' are bunkum? And given Durkin's dodgy background why I hesitate before accepting what he has to say at face value. Like I say you might be right, but for me the jury is very much out and until the science is more conclusive I will take the precautionary principle.

Besides if it means wrestling the power of energy away from the oil majors and sends us down the route of sustainable, decentralised power generation and consumption this can only empower people and communities and be 'a good thing'.

[Leiff]

[ian neal]

I agree with whta you say Lieff.

My take is that there are a whole host of reasons for us to move away from oil.

Climate change (if you accept CO2 contribution to global warming)

Peak oil (if you accept we face imminent peak in oil production)

Blood oil: the link between conflict, human rights abuses and oil

Breaking the monopoly of energy from the hands of oil cartel and breaking the secrecy and corruption that pervades the whole oil and energy business

Environmental pollution

The solution. Simple, energy conservation and renewables and getting off the consumerist ttreadmill. ZPE and hidden energy technologies may hold answers beyond this but even with known technologies the solutions lie in our hands. What reason we use to justify the breaking of the power of big oil and military-industrial nexus is secondary

[Craig W]

[StopThe9/11CoverUp]

Canwe not use the question that relates so much to 9/11 for this topic....................

WHO BENEFITS?

so ok we would benefit from reducing our carbon emissions but why should we pay for it?

All sorts of new fines and road taxes being implemented yet we doing all our own recycling here in redditch. paying more council tax for the council to do LESS collections.

So even though we pay all these extra taxes to help in reducing the problem, why are WE expected to replace standard bulbs with super dooper enviromentally friendly bulbs?

You do the sums for all car owners and the extra tax they pay, plus the extra council tax we not forgetting the revenue from fines for not meeting required standards within this country alone. Then ask what are the government doing with all that extra revenue to help reduce carbon emissions other than by making us all PAY MORE TAXES??

How many years of the government receiving this extra revenue will it take before the frankly stupendous amount of money reaped by said government is used to cut carbon emissions etc instead of it being OUR money being used?

One business ethic is well most people wont mind paying a small sum for bulbs, extra council tax etc which is true i wont be fussed by spending a few pounds on efficient bulbs but when you look at the potential revenue for the government in national revenue it soon mounts up.

Its funny when you remember how the world was going ape at the USA because it was not interested in the climate change issue. took them a year or so to get on board and my reasoning for that is: The USA government knew that this was not a man made issue so didnt get involved, it was only when they realised how much money they could make from it that they dived right in.

WHO BENEFITS? to a lesser, lesser extent us, to an extreme extent the Government.

[rodin]

Pluto is way out from the sun yet seems to be warming much more than Earth.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html

[telecasterisation]

I couldn't care less if global warming is caused by us or not.

On Saturday I was out in the local shopping centre and there was a woman pushing a pram with another older child in tow. The kid was eating some sweets and he dropped the wrapper very deliberately. The mother saw this and turned on him,. "Don't drop your rubbish on the floor, think of our planet!" she said. She then made him pick it up and put it in the nearest bin.

Now, whilst this in itself makes no difference whatsoever, it echoes a mentality that is growing globally. We as a culture are changing our habits and anything that ultimately encourages us to use less, be less wasteful, produce less, recycle more, become more aware of our surroundings and our impact upon it has to be a good thing.

If people can 'wake up' to such seemingly insignificant issues such as littering the streets, then who knows where it could lead - the potential demise of the NWO?

[wickywoowoo]

I like what Alex Jones' said about Al Gore's 7 concert Global Warming publicity stunt recently, something along the lines of

[rodin]

I would like an inventory of the personal transport of the glorious participants in this coming 7/7/7 media circus.

Acts like Madonna (like a virgin eh?) Bon Jovi, the Police (Miles Copeland's son on skins) etc. I bet the dark lord, patron saint of tax-avoidance BONO gets in big on the the act too...

Unless he's running the World Bank by then if his mate Wolfowitz gets the heave...

[rodin]

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[SHERITON HOTEL]

How many of those ugly telecasters has telecasteration got? maybe he could recycle a few? yes that one with the knobs that go up to eleven!

[rodin]

Today on 5 live house martins and hawthorn blossom are reported as being about a month early this year. Come early June I will see just how much the seasons really are advancing for myself. When my eldest was born blue geraniums were just opening. Every year they bloom on or slightly after his birthday. Until this changes I will remain relatively unconcerned about 'climate change' and far more concerned about those who promote drastic action that may be in their interests not ours.

As for Ian's comments about conservation and pollution - I totally agree. Recycling is a great idea, especially for plastic, which is toxic when burned. Bikes beat cars for short solo trips etc. But carbon taxes are very likely just another way to defeat what financial independence is left to the middle classes. Plus a good way of making transport (ie escape) more difficult.

If TSHTF it may not be easy to move around, and that may be part of the plan.

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Ken livingstone isn't very green,£2 flat rate to go on one of his filthy, dangerous,timetables just suggestions buses driven by attitude challenged transport for london staff who amuse themselves by skittling passengers starting and stopping violently. Even with his 'Oyster card' public transport in London is double the European capital average...and you don't get a receipt you just ahave to have blind faith its working...and the tarrif is always changing at different times of the day...and your travel details go to some Big Brother data base...and Ken's given free transport to teenagers who can't drive anyway and who make your journey even more unpleasant

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[Craig W]

Click here: "The latest on global warming bunk" for a very interesting and comprehensive thread containing a lot of useful info and analysis suggesting that global warming is BS and a major PSY-OP.

The great 7/7/7global rockw4nk that is Live Earth is probably also a major PSY-OP. Sure, let's all save the world from the fake evil of carbon dioxide (boo, hiss ), ignoring the many real envirnomental threats such as toxic pollution, deforestation, depleted uranium, etc, etc, because dealing with those might get in the way of profits. And how are we to save the world from our wicked carbon emissions? Why, by listening to a bunch of self-obsessed, private-jet travelling, corporate-owned, vacuous, botox-filled multi-millionaires who are too stupid and publicity-crazed to see that they are doing the bidding of the PTB for them, of course.

Save the world - buy more stuff - listen to our vacuous *! Yeah right. GFYS.

Rant over.

Now for the science.

The British Institute of Geographers identified Reid Bryson as the most frequently cited climatologist in the world. Now 86, he is often described as “the father of the science of modern climatology”.

Here is an excerpt from an interview with him:

[bgmark2]

yes the sun spot theory sounds good but is majorly flawed too...the truth is it is an end time propecy, and is/has been fulfilled.

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

[Long Tooth]