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Shoestring Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Paul Craig Roberts Reviews New David Ray Griffin Book |
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9/11 and the Evidence
By Paul Craig Roberts
March 26, 2007
Professor David Ray Griffin is the nemesis of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. In his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking, Griffin destroys the credibility of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics reports, annihilates his critics, and proves himself to be a better scientist and engineer than the defenders of the official story.
Griffin’s book is 385 pages divided into four chapters and containing 1,209 footnotes. Without question, the book is the most thorough presentation and examination of all known facts about the 9/11 attacks. Griffin is a person who is sensitive to evidence, logic, and scientific reasoning. There is no counterpart on the official side of the story who is as fully informed on all aspects of the attacks as Griffin.
At the outset, Griffin points out that the reader’s choice is between two conspiracy theories: One is that Muslim fanatics, who were not qualified to fly airplanes, defeated the security apparatus of the US and succeeded in three out of four attacks using passenger jets as weapons. The other is that security failed across the board, not merely partially but totally, because of complicity of some part of the US government.
Griffin points out that there has been no independent investigation of 9/11. What we have are a report by a political commission headed by Bush administration factotum Philip Zelikow, a NIST report produced by the Bush administration’s Department of Commerce, and a journalistic account produced by Popular Mechanics. Various scientists who work for the federal government or are dependent on government grants have issued speculative statements in behalf of the official conspiracy theory, but have not produced meaningful evidence in its behalf.
The relevant skeptics of the official story are approximately 100 independent researchers consisting of experts and professors whose careers have required them to deal with evidence and its analysis. Their individual contributions to 9/11 analysis can be found online.
Griffin has undertaken to absorb the arguments and evidence for the official account and the arguments and evidence against it. In his latest book, which has just been released, he presents the case for the official account and its evidential failure.
Polls show that 36% of Americans do not believe the official story. Setting aside the 25% of the public that is so uninformed or uninvolved as to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attack, leaves 39% of the public who believe the official story. However, this 39% is essentially relying on the mainstream media’s endorsement of the official story. Griffin believes, perhaps naively, that truth can prevail, and it is his commitment to truth that has motivated him to shoulder the enormous task.
Everyone who believes in the integrity of the US government or the Bush administration will find Griffin’s book to be disturbing. Readers will have to confront such issues as why US authorities seized the forensic evidence resulting from the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings, the attack on the Pentagon and the crashed airliner in Pennsylvania and prevented any forensic examination of any part of the 9/11 attacks.
Despite widespread belief that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attack, the evidence we have is a suspect video declared to be "bogus" by Bruce Lawrence, perhaps the leading American expert on bin Laden. The US government has never produced the promised report on bin Laden’s responsibility. When the Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden on presentation of evidence, the US government had no evidence to deliver; thus the invasion of Afghanistan.
The fragility of the NIST report is astonishing. The report succeeded because people accepted its assurances without examination.
Griffin shows that the Popular Mechanics report consists of special pleading, circular reasoning, appeals to the authority of the NIST report, straw men, and internal contradictions in the report itself.
There is not space in a review to present the evidence Griffin has mustered. A few highlights should suffice to alert readers to the possibility that the Bush administration has lied about more than Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction.
The two WTC towers did not collapse. They blew up and disintegrated, as did WTC 7. There is an enormous energy deficit in every account that rules out the use of explosives. Gravitational energy is insufficient to explain the pulverization of the buildings and contents and the severing of the 47 massive center core steel columns in each of the towers into convenient lengths to be picked up and loaded onto trucks; much less can gravitational energy account for the pulverization of the top floors of the towers and ejection of steel beams hundreds of feet horizontally just prior to the disintegration of the floors below.
Damage caused by airliners and short-lived limited fires cannot explain the disintegration of the buildings. The massive steel skeletons of the towers comprised a gigantic heat sink that wicked away whatever heat the limited fires produced.
NIST’s final report stated that of the steel available to it for examination, "only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 degrees Celsius" (482 degrees Fahrenheit). The self-cleaning ovens in our home kitchens reach temperatures higher than this, and the ovens do not melt or deform.
Steel begins to melt at 1,500 degrees C or 2,800 degrees F. Temperatures of 250 degrees C would have no effect on the strength of steel. The explanation that the buildings collapsed because fire weakened the steel is speculative. Open air fires do not produce temperatures sufficient to deprive steel of its structural integrity. Steel framed buildings have burned 22 hours in raging infernos, and the steel skeletons remained standing. The WTC fires in the towers lasted about one hour and were limited to a few floors. Moreover, it is impossible for fire to account for the sudden, total and symmetrical disintegration of powerfully constructed buildings, much less at free fall speeds that are obtainable only with controlled demolition.
Griffin provides quotes from firefighters, police, and tenants, who heard and experienced a series of explosions prior to the disintegration of the towers. Such witness testimony is generally ignored by defenders of the official conspiracy theory.
Molten steel was found in underground levels of the WTC buildings weeks after the buildings’ destruction. As everyone agrees that the fires did not approach the melting point of steel, a possible explanation is high explosives used in demolitions that produce 5,000 degree temperatures. The possibility that explosives were used remains unexamined except by independent researchers.
Contradictions in the official conspiracy theory leap off the pages and hit the reader in the face. For example, the evidence that Flight 77, a Boeing 757, crashed into the Pentagon is the government’s claim to have obtained from the wreckage enough bodies and body parts to match the DNA for each person on the passenger list and flight crew. Simultaneously, the absence of passenger luggage, fuselage, wing and tail sections--indeed the absence of a 100,000 pound airliner--is attributed to the vaporization of the airplane due to the high speed crash and intense fire. The incompatibility of vaporized metal but recovered flesh and blood stood unnoticed until Griffin pointed it out.
Another striking inconsistency in the official conspiracy theory is the difference in the impact of airliners on the Pentagon and the WTC towers. In the case of the Pentagon, the emphasis is on why the airliner caused so little damage to the building. In the case of the WTC towers, the emphasis is why the airliners caused so much damage.
Perhaps it is merely a coincidence that just prior to 9/11 Cathleen P. Black, who has family connections to the CIA and Pentagon and is president of Hearst Magazines, the owner of Popular Mechanics, fired the magazine’s editor-in-chief and several senior veteran staff members and installed James B. Meigs and Benjamin Chertoff, a cousin of Bush administration factotum Michael Chertoff. It was Meigs and Benjamin Chertoff who produced the Popular Mechanics report that Griffin has eviscerated.
In his conclusion Griffin reminds us that the 9/11 attack has been used to start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, to plan an attack on Iran, to curtail constitutional protections and civil liberties in the US, to radically expand US military budgets and the power of the executive, and to enrich entrenched vested interests. Griffin is definitely correct about this regardless of whether a believable case can ever be made for the government’s version of the 9/11 conspiracy.
COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington; Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.
Source: http://vdare.com/roberts/070326_evidence.htm |
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Eckyboy Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds like essential reading although I wish it was out sooner. I heard it is not out until May. |
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jomper Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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"There is an enormous energy deficit in every account that rules out the use of explosives."
Can anyone explain this comment to me, please? I'm afraid I don't understand it.
Also, can anyone point me towards the evidence that Benjamin Chertoff is indeed the cousin of Michael Chertoff? I've heard it said before but apparently Michael Chertoff has said he doesn't know of a cousin by that name.
Thanks! |
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hello guys, been an avid reader now for sometime, just lacking on the posting front for which I have no excuse:
In my opinion he is saying that the gravitational potential energy inherent in the structure from when it was constructed does not store enough energy to describe the collapse which we all saw on TV. (The official theory of global collapse needs to have an added energy source to make sense of what we all saw with our own two eyes). I.e.
1. 30 ton steel girders flying 300ft horizontally through the air.
2. Pulverisation of the reinforced concrete into microscopic dust.
3. Freefall speed collapse.
4. The pyroclastic dust flow.
5. Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ...................................................
To come to a degree of plausibility in your hypothesis you must use explosives or some other type of added energy source to the collapse to attain the sequence of events that transpired that day.
If prison planet is good for you then check this out for the Chertoff question;
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.h tm
If not then try;
www.google.co.uk
Have fun & take care.
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Poacher Minor Poster
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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pastomen wrote: | Hello guys, been an avid reader now for sometime, just lacking on the posting front for which I have no excuse: |
I used to lurk before I started posting here. There are a great many who read and never post. Welcome!
As for the book, it sounds like another totally sound volume from DRG. Looking forward to reading it.
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jomper Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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pastomen wrote: | In my opinion he is saying that the gravitational potential energy inherent in the structure from when it was constructed does not store enough energy to describe the collapse which we all saw on TV. |
He may in fact mean that, and like you I suspect he may. But surely the words that would denote that meaning would be along the lines of
"There is an enormous energy deficit in every [official] account that suggests the use of explosives [or some additional energy source]."
In fact he seems to be saying the opposite - that the energy deficit rules out the use of explosives. Rather bizarre - perhaps some kind of typo?
Your suggestion that I try a google search to establish whether or not Benjamin Chertoff is indeed the cousin of Michael Chertoff is radical to say the least, but I tried it because I'm just cray-zee like that. Wow.
The problem is that the sole source of this suggestion appears to be the American Free Press, repeated again and again in blogs and the like. As the suggestion has now appeared in a book by DRG, I'd expect it to be backed up by rock solid research. So where's the proof, I wonder?
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Micpsi Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is that the sole source of this suggestion appears to be the American Free Press, repeated again and again in blogs and the like. As the suggestion has now appeared in a book by DRG, I'd expect it to be backed up by rock solid research. So where's the proof, I wonder?[/quote]
Sheesh! You need 'rock solid research' to prove that the pulverisation into fine dust of most of the two towers could not have been achieved by things merely falling on top of one another?! The explosions started near the tops of the towers ABOVE the crash line, where even intact floors could not have dropped enough to generate the kinetic energy required for this transformation. The energy deficit is so obvious. Do you need to consult the calender to check whether it's a new day every time you wake up? |
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jomper Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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No Micspi, I'm asking for the evidence that Benjamin and Michael Chertoff are indeed cousins - over and above one suggestion to that effect by the American Free Press, that is, which has been echoed through the blogosphere but has no other corroborating source that I can identify. This is insufficient for me and I think it would be insufficient for David Ray Griffin.
I'm perfectly aware that there's a massive energy deficit to be accounted for, which is why I find the comment "there is an enormous energy deficit in every account that rules out the use of explosives" in the review that tops this thread rather difficult to understand. But, as I said in my previous post, I'm inclined to think it's a slightly bizarre typo on the part of Paul Craig Roberts.
In answer to your question, no, I don't need to consult a calender to check whether it's a new day every time I wake up. In return I'm inclined to ask: did you read the question I was asking before responding to it? |
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Chaos Warrior Minor Poster
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.pumpitout.com/phone_calls/chertoffpopcut.mp3
Thanks to the guys at Loose Changes forums for this.
Jack Blood and Alex Jones talk to James Miggs from popular mechanics.
Miggs states that Benjamin Chertoff was just a junior researcher, as you can tell from the phone call Ben Chertoff states "I was the research editor of the magazine"
The relationship between the two Chertoffs is also discussed here. _________________ It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
-Sun Tzu
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jomper Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that, Chaoswarrior. It's interesting - and he's obviously uncomfortable - but Benjamin Chertoff denies that he's ever met Michael in the recorded phonecall. I feel sure David Ray Griffin would not repeat the suggestion that they are cousins without establishing the fact beyond reasonable doubt. I suppose I"ll have to wait until I get a copy of the book, though, to find out his sources.
Certainly the Popular Mechanics guy seeks to downplay Benjamin's role in the production of their research, which is rather odd of him in light of what Benjamin himself says. |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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jomper wrote: | "There is an enormous energy deficit in every account that rules out the use of explosives."
Can anyone explain this comment to me, please? I'm afraid I don't understand it.
Also, can anyone point me towards the evidence that Benjamin Chertoff is indeed the cousin of Michael Chertoff? I've heard it said before but apparently Michael Chertoff has said he doesn't know of a cousin by that name.
Thanks! |
Try this version.
In every account that rules out the use of explosives, there is an enormous energy deficit. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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jomper Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: |
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lightbulb moment!
d'oh, thanks. it makes sense now. i was even starting to wonder if PCR was turning into a beam weapons advocate.
going back under my rock now. |
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