his comment about Israel being wiped off the map which was widely misquoted (he actually called for an end to the Zionist regime and did not threaten to wipe out Israelis) and yet he made no attempt to correct the belligerent impression it made, etc, etc...
So who, (media outlet). should he have approached to have the misquote corrected?
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject:
Whilst it seems collusion is all around..
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All of these point to someone playing the role of a western baddy. He is just too much like a Bond villain. Surely if he was really as bad as we are led to believe by the MSM and PTB he would be a bit more cunning and devious.
his comment about Israel being wiped off the map which was widely misquoted (he actually called for an end to the Zionist regime and did not threaten to wipe out Israelis) and yet he made no attempt to correct the belligerent impression it made, etc, etc...
So who, (media outlet). should he have approached to have the misquote corrected?
He was asked to clarify it in a Time magazine interview last autumn but answered with the usual riddles and evasions. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
All of these point to someone playing the role of a western baddy. He is just too much like a Bond villain. Surely if he was really as bad as we are led to believe by the MSM and PTB he would be a bit more cunning and devious.
He's not a very convincing Bond villain is he?
He is convincing enough for the sheeple and that's all the PTB need from him. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 312 Location: County Durham, North-East
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:21 am Post subject:
Craig W wrote:
He was asked to clarify it in a Time magazine interview last autumn but answered with the usual riddles and evasions.
Exactly, I always remind myself of his answer to that question - at the time I remember screaming at the TV when I saw an interview an ABC was it?
I just knew he was fanning the flames. _________________ www.myspace.com/garethwilliamsmusic
his comment about Israel being wiped off the map which was widely misquoted (he actually called for an end to the Zionist regime and did not threaten to wipe out Israelis) and yet he made no attempt to correct the belligerent impression it made, etc, etc...
So who, (media outlet). should he have approached to have the misquote corrected?
He was asked to clarify it in a Time magazine interview last autumn but answered with the usual riddles and evasions.
TIME: You have been quoted as saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it?
AHMADINEJAD: People in the world are free to think the way they wish. We do not insist they should change their views. Our position toward the Palestinian question is clear: we say that a nation has been displaced from its own land. Palestinian people are killed in their own lands, by those who are not original inhabitants, and they have come from far areas of the world and have occupied those homes. Our suggestion is that the 5 million Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. This is a democratic and popular way. Do you have any other suggestions?
Why didn't he correct the erroneous translation when asked to clarify the quote?
It is also interesting to note that Time (an organ of the money-power-elite) thought fit to give him this platform in the first place. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:
Craig W wrote:
Craig W wrote:
Gibson wrote:
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his comment about Israel being wiped off the map which was widely misquoted (he actually called for an end to the Zionist regime and did not threaten to wipe out Israelis) and yet he made no attempt to correct the belligerent impression it made, etc, etc...
So who, (media outlet). should he have approached to have the misquote corrected?
He was asked to clarify it in a Time magazine interview last autumn but answered with the usual riddles and evasions.
TIME: You have been quoted as saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it?
AHMADINEJAD: People in the world are free to think the way they wish. We do not insist they should change their views. Our position toward the Palestinian question is clear: we say that a nation has been displaced from its own land. Palestinian people are killed in their own lands, by those who are not original inhabitants, and they have come from far areas of the world and have occupied those homes. Our suggestion is that the 5 million Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. This is a democratic and popular way. Do you have any other suggestions?
Why didn't he correct the erroneous translation when asked to clarify the quote?
It is also interesting to note that Time (an organ of the money-power-elite) thought fit to give him this platform in the first place.
Do you think the western media would print it if he had corrected the translation,Craig?
Lost in translation
Experts confirm that Iran's president did not call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'. Reports that he did serve to strengthen western hawks.
A. was educated in England and has obvious ties to MI6 or similar. An agent of the brothers no doubt.
There was his very odd behaviour during the Iran/Contra affair where he opposed US embassy hostage taking then suggested parity by doing the same to the Russians. This despite the fact that the Iran/Contra did for Carter (currently in trouble with the brothers over his book on Palestine)
Now he takes Brits hostage. And the references to the above have been de-Googled.
Closest I could find in a hurry...
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Indeed, that president is himself a former student radical. Some former hostages allege that Ahmadinejad was one of their interrogators. Some hostage-takers -- several of whom are reformist politicians today -- deny this, saying that he wanted to take over the Soviet embassy instead. "Without any doubt," Bowden writes, "Ahmadinejad was one of the central players in the group that seized the embassy and held hostages." Whatever the case may be, the president clearly still has much of the hard-line student radical left in him.
Meanwhile, last month, Massoumeh Ebtekar, "Screaming Mary," was awarded a prestigious prize by the United Nations for her work on environmental issues. The shadow of the student radicals has not yet receded, and this chapter in Iranian history has not yet played itself out.
The reviewer's observation that the "shadow of the student radicals has not yet receded" seems to me to understate matters considerably. Bowden's book establishes beyond a reasonable doubt, consistent with the photo above, that Ahmadinejad was the ringleader of the students who initiated hostilities against the United States in 1979. From student ringleader in 1979 he has progressed to the presidency of Iran. He threatens annihilation in the name of Allah and provokes Carterite handwringing among his adversaries in the West. What now?
Just reminding people of obvious facts.
Ahmadinejad was democratically elected.
He wanted an end to Zionism nothing else.
He has travelled extensively since he was elected, south America, Africa, Asia, China, Russia etc.
Attacking Iran was always Bush and Blairs plan. _________________
A. was educated in England and has obvious ties to MI6 or similar. An agent of the brothers no doubt.
There was his very odd behaviour during the Iran/Contra affair where he opposed US embassy hostage taking then suggested parity by doing the same to the Russians. This despite the fact that the Iran/Contra did for Carter (currently in trouble with the brothers over his book on Palestine)
Now he takes Brits hostage. And the references to the above have been de-Googled.
Closest I could find in a hurry...
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Indeed, that president is himself a former student radical. Some former hostages allege that Ahmadinejad was one of their interrogators. Some hostage-takers -- several of whom are reformist politicians today -- deny this, saying that he wanted to take over the Soviet embassy instead. "Without any doubt," Bowden writes, "Ahmadinejad was one of the central players in the group that seized the embassy and held hostages." Whatever the case may be, the president clearly still has much of the hard-line student radical left in him.
Meanwhile, last month, Massoumeh Ebtekar, "Screaming Mary," was awarded a prestigious prize by the United Nations for her work on environmental issues. The shadow of the student radicals has not yet receded, and this chapter in Iranian history has not yet played itself out.
The reviewer's observation that the "shadow of the student radicals has not yet receded" seems to me to understate matters considerably. Bowden's book establishes beyond a reasonable doubt, consistent with the photo above, that Ahmadinejad was the ringleader of the students who initiated hostilities against the United States in 1979. From student ringleader in 1979 he has progressed to the presidency of Iran. He threatens annihilation in the name of Allah and provokes Carterite handwringing among his adversaries in the West. What now?
Ex-agent: Iran leader not a hostage-taker
Meanwhile, Austria probes president’s alleged role in ’89 Vienna killings
The Associated Press
Updated: 10:31 p.m. ET July 2, 2005
VIENNA, Austria - A top Iranian former secret agent said Saturday the hostage-taker in a 1979 photograph that has come under intense scrutiny is not President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but a former militant who committed suicide in jail.
Saeed Hajjarian, a top adviser to outgoing President Mohammad Khatami, also denied an Austrian newspaper report and claims by Iranian dissidents that Ahmadinejad had a role in the 1989 slaying of an Iranian opposition Kurdish leader and two associates in Vienna.
Ahmadinejad has been accused of taking American hostages when students seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran 26 years ago. Six former hostages who saw the president-elect in photos or on television said they believe Ahmadinejad was among the captors who held them for 444 days and one said he was interrogated by him. The White House said it was taking their statements seriously.
“I’m opposed to Ahmadinejad’s policies and thinking but he was not involved in the hostage drama nor in the assassination of an Iranian opposition Kurdish leader in Vienna,” Hajjarian told The Associated Press on Saturday.
Ahmadinejad denied on Friday that he was a hostage-taker. “It is not true,” he said. “It is only rumors.”
’79 photo scrutinized
International media have compared photos of Ahmadinejad, who won a presidential runoff election last week, with a black-and-white picture of one of the hostage-takers, a young man with a thin, bearded face and dark hair that sweeps across his forehead.
But Hajjarian identified the man in the photo as Taqi Mohammadi.
“This man is Taqi Mohammadi, a militant who later turned into a dissident and committed suicide in jail,” he said, pointing to the 1979 photo. Mohammadi was arrested on charges of involvement in the 1981 bombing in Tehran that killed the country’s president and prime minister
Former Iranian president Abholhassan Bani-Sadr, who lives in exile outside Paris, told The Associated Press on Friday that Ahmadinejad “[b]wasn’t among the decision-makers but he was among those inside the Embassy.”[/b]
Bani-Sadr said Ahmadinejad was responsible for briefing Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini on the hostage situation.
“One of his roles ... was to inform Mr. Khomeini of what was happening at the Embassy,” Bani-Sadr said in a telephone interview.
Hajjarian denied those allegations as well.
Bani-Sadr said the new Iranian president was initially opposed to the hostage-taking but, according to his information, changed his mind once Khomeini gave his agreement.
Hajjarian said Ahmadinejad believed the then-Soviet Embassy, not the U.S. Embassy, should have been taken.
“Ahmadinejad believed that the great Satan is the Soviet Union and that America was the smaller Satan,” he said.
Revolutionaries find new roles
For Iranians, fervor over the 1979 Embassy takeover — a central event in their stormy Islamic Revolution — has faded. In fact, many former hostage-takers have entered politics, and some of the organizers of the siege are now leading advocates of democratic reform and closer ties with the United States.
Hajjarian, considered the brains behind Khatami’s democratic reforms program, is a former top official in the Intelligence Ministry, or the secret service. Both supporters and opponents describe him as the “walking memory” of Iran’s recent history because of his access to classified information and secrets within Iran’s ruling Islamic establishment.
Hajjarian is one of many reformers who is at loggerheads with the hard-line Ahmadinejad. He was shot by a hard-line vigilante in 2000 and is paralyzed and cannot speak fluently.
Ahmadinejad tied to Vienna killings?
In Austria, an exiled Iranian dissident on Saturday accused Ahmadinejad of playing a key role in the 1989 execution-style slayings of a Kurdish opposition leader and two associates in Vienna.
The Austrian newspaper Der Standard quoted a top official with Austria’s Green Party Peter Pilz as saying authorities have “very convincing” evidence linking Ahmadinejad to the 1989 slaying of Kurdish politician Abdul-Rahman Ghassemlou and two associates by providing weapons to the Iranian commandos who shot them.
Ghassemlou was secretary-general of the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan and was in Vienna for secret talks with envoys from the Tehran regime.
Pilz could not be reached for comment Saturday, and calls to Austria’s Interior Ministry and the nation’s federal counterterrorism agency went unanswered.
Exiled Iranian dissident Alireza Jafarzadeh, who runs Strategic Policy Consulting, a Washington-based think tank focusing on Iran and Iraq, said Ahmadinejad was a Revolutionary Guard commander who supplied the weapons used to kill the three on July 13, 1989 in Vienna. Jafarzadeh said his assessment was based on Iranian government sources “who have provided accurate information in the past.”
Jafarzadeh is a former U.S. representative for the National Council of Resistance of Iran. The council is the political arm of the Mujahedeen Khalq, a group that Washington and the European Union list as a terrorist organization.
Neither Ahmadinejad nor his aides could be reached Saturday for comment on the allegations surrounding the Vienna killings.
So these "Islamic revolutionaries" were either duped into acting, or were knowingly acting, on behalf of the Bush clan in 1979 to manipulate Carter out of power and facilitate Reagan (ie Bush) in.
And this same power group is still in power in Iran today and still seems to be doing the western elite's bidding. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
his comment about Israel being wiped off the map which was widely misquoted (he actually called for an end to the Zionist regime and did not threaten to wipe out Israelis) and yet he made no attempt to correct the belligerent impression it made, etc, etc...
So who, (media outlet). should he have approached to have the misquote corrected?
He was asked to clarify it in a Time magazine interview last autumn but answered with the usual riddles and evasions.
TIME: You have been quoted as saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it?
AHMADINEJAD: People in the world are free to think the way they wish. We do not insist they should change their views. Our position toward the Palestinian question is clear: we say that a nation has been displaced from its own land. Palestinian people are killed in their own lands, by those who are not original inhabitants, and they have come from far areas of the world and have occupied those homes. Our suggestion is that the 5 million Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. This is a democratic and popular way. Do you have any other suggestions?
Why didn't he correct the erroneous translation when asked to clarify the quote?
It is also interesting to note that Time (an organ of the money-power-elite) thought fit to give him this platform in the first place.
Do you think the western media would print it if he had corrected the translation,Craig?
I am not sure I understand your point.
Are you suggesting that Time would not have printed his answer and that he didn't correct the quote because he knew it wouldn't be reported correctly?
My point is that he was given the opportunity to correct this widely misquoted phrase (which has been used as a clarion call for anti-Iranian and anti-Islamic sentiment, and a priceless propaganda gift for the Zionists, and has been denounced world-wide) and yet he apparently didn't want to take it. What is your explanation for his behaviour? _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:25 am Post subject:
Perhaps he liked the message his mis-quotation gave, but still had the fallback of saying he was mis-quoted if need be. Thats if he was mis-quoted, after all you would need to be fluent in Farsi to verify this (although the IRI website does quote the corrected version).
Judging by the UK tabloid media, it would appear that a large portion of the brits want to see Iran wiped off the map, openly calling for nuclear strikes on Iran.
"a large portion of the brits want to see Iran wiped off the map"
It´s so sad really that they don´t realise how impotent this little isle has become. I´ve even read "SAS is all we need", a bunch of phsycopaths to save old england. I expect thousands will be queueing up at the enlistment office today and be the first to get over there and wipe it off the map.
"a large portion of the brits want to see Iran wiped off the map"
It´s so sad really that they don´t realise how impotent this little isle has become. I´ve even read "SAS is all we need", a bunch of phsycopaths to save old england. I expect thousands will be queueing up at the enlistment office today and be the first to get over there and wipe it off the map.
The City of London is still regarded as the predominant centre of world power by some well-informed observers and undoubtedly retains its position as the centre of world financial power, despite the nation's reputed decline.
Couple this with the "special relationship" with the US (in which some still believe British elements retain superiority) and the UK's importance in world affairs remains very significant imo.
Many have been fooled into thinking that the end of empire also constituted the end of power for those elements of the British elite so involved in empire. That is not so imo. The empire merely went underground, from overt to covert. Ownership of resource wealth and control of power still remains, merely by other means. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Blindfolded with hands bound, hearing guns being cocked, now apparently is classed as torture. Bound so tightly, that one of the 'detainees' was able to loosen and remove binding in what I would expect was a very short space of time, apparently in response to a colleague falling to the floor in panic. Smiling with not an ounce of anger towards his captors the man does not know the meaning of the word torture. I don't want to be hard on them of course, they are happy to be home but don't tell me that you really believe you were tortured.
Helicopter, ordered out of the area by the ship. Iranians able to give a GPS location, have the British?
According to a representative/member of the International Bar Association there must be international condemnation of Iran, for the treatment of the individuals. Note, treatment of individuals. Not condemn the Iranians for detaining the individuals in the first place because we have no idea whether they were in Iran or in Iraq. If they were in Iran then the Iranians, in the current 'climate' would be expected to respond the way that they did.
Was the crew in Iranian waters?
Why was the helicopter ordered away?
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:18 am Post subject:
kookomula wrote:
Blindfolded with hands bound, hearing guns being cocked, now apparently is classed as torture
This sort of treatment would (and rightly so) be condemned as 'psychological torture', if it was levelled at Iraqi / Al Qaida detainees, why should it be different because it was British service people suffering this? I wouldn't like to be treated like that, would you? The Iranian's, like us and the American's have certainly got much to learn about the treatment of prisoners. It's ironic that by and large British prisoners received better treatment at the hands of the Nazi's in WWII than any prisoners in the current conflict seem to receive!
Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Manchester
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:35 am Post subject:
Just heard this on BBC news 24 and found the link on their website.
It seems the MoD is encouraging the 15 sailors/marines to sell their stories. No doubt to crank up the propaganda against Iran. Read for yourselves....
The aftermath of the captured Brit sailors business descended first into farce and then into a nauseating performance by pseud celebrity WRN, Faye Turney, denouncing the behaviour of her captors --"I thought they were measuring me up for a coffin" when they were measuring her for new clothes-- and excusing her earlier confession by claiming, "I decided to play the dumb blonde."
She didn't have to try very much.
Watching this spoilt, self-possessed, obese brat declaring to the world how she was now going to give her side of the story I couldn't help feel that by the time the gutter press had finished with her she would have become the laughing-stock of both the Royal Navy and her country.
The MSM's attempt to turn a not-very-intelligent Turney into a celebrity and heroine was nothing short of disastrous. Her lurid descriptions of captivity ("I was stripped to the knickers and feared being raped") reduced the affair to an unintended satire.
Blair and his clownish Minister of Defence, Des Browne, were so mightily embarrassed by it all that they and the Navy were reduced to using words like 'tacky' to describe a fiasco from which "lessons would have to be learned."
The corridors of Whitehall which, during the dispute, had resounded with the dropping of several monstrous clangers now echoed to an endless passing of bucks. Playing to form, Blair dissociated himself from his minions' decision to allow the service personnel to publish their stories while putting the blame for doing so on those who had suggested that the MoD had intended a clumsy attempt at cheap propaganda which had backfired rather badly on it.
Now, the Iranians have announced their intention to release a film showing their version of how the British navy personnel had been treated. No prizes for guessing that this, too, will be another victory to President Ahmadinejad in an asymmetric war against the combined military might of USUK imperialism presently encircling and threatening his country.
While the intention of Blair and a compliant media led by his mouthpiece, the BBC, had been to discredit the Iranians in the eyes of the world the outcome, where the Brits have been exposed as unaccomplished liars, has been very much the opposite.
What no one in that same media has dared to point out yet is the manner in which a lying British government joined forces with a psychotic wannabe US President to misuse, abuse and bully the United Nations Security Council into becoming their weapon against the victims of their choice.
This same media prattle on about Iran's "defiance of the international community." Oh really? Since when did Bush, Blair and their neocon friends get the monopoly on that phrase? Probably in that same moment of hubris now trapping them and the mercenaries who serve their crimes like the glue of bad karma in a repeating time warp.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:06 am Post subject:
A few mornings ago, I was awakened to see through sleepy eyes a BBC News 24 report of an Iranian citizen, who had been captured and tortured by the US, being returned to Iran the day before Iran released the British naval captives. There were shots of the Iranian, looking very much the worse for wear, in a wheelchair and broadcast comments by his psychiatrist recounting the poor state of mental health that his patient's ordeal had left him in.
I was astonished that the BBC had carried such a report but felt sure that the blogosphere and this thread in particular would be full of it, but I can find not a word about it anywhere and I note that the BBC later that day had dropped the story from its news items.
Did anyone else catch this story and has anyone been able to find it anywhere on the net? I guess we may need a Farsi speaker to find it.
However, I'm certain I was not dreaming. That report puts a whole different spin on the British hostage issue. It suggests that a likely explanation of events is that Iran wanted to get their man released and therefore captured British service personnel in an attempt to get a deal which would return him home. It also suggests that this guy was very important to them - a nuclear physicist perhaps!
Blair's insistance that no deal was done to get the British hostages returned adds to my suspicion that it was.
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