I am a critic

[gurl102]

[telecasterisation]

gurl102 wrote;

[thought criminal]

[Sentinel]

Goodafternoon,

My name is Paul Isaac Jr. I will show by corporate connection that Guliani had a tie in w/911 You'll see that it was done to cover up for Enron which was in business with Keyspan Energy formorly Brooklyn Union Gas. On July 15, 2001 Keyspan Energy conducted the Controlled Demolition of the Kespan Maspeth Holder Tanks in Queens. The Company which conducted the Demoliton was CDI, the same company the purformed the Murrah Federal Building in OKC, the same companmy which had thew clean up contract for post 911 wtc.

And, no, I play for millions and I don't make a damn dime for this. And another thing, if the FDNY had played by the rules according to the 1951 Emergency Defense Act calling for trained Civilian Personell who act strictly to assist the first responders and population, there might have been more people saved on 911 being I ran out of Ten House right across the damn street from the towers. But, being there is sop much self iondulgence on the job they have alot to be blamed for alot of the F-up that morning.

I was the one who programed the scanner in the kitchen for them to monitor for this sort of sh*t.

Did they listen? Hell no. I told the Captain they were'nt ready.....


So Here is the connections. Assecory before and after the fact.
Have a nice day Gurl102 and may your hatred bring you much joy.




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Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001

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MAYOR GIULIANI, NEW YORK METS AND KEYSPAN ENERGY ANNOUNCE
METS MINOR LEAGUE BALLPARK WILL BE NAMED "KEYSPAN PARK"
The Brooklyn Cyclones to Begin Play at Ball Park June 25th



Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, KeySpan Corporation Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Robert B. Catell, New York Mets Co-Owner and Brooklyn Baseball Company Chairman Fred Wilpon and Brooklyn Baseball Company Executive Vice President Jeffrey Wilpon today announced that the New York Mets' 6,500-seat minor league ballpark, currently under construction at Steeplechase Park in Coney Island, will be officially named KeySpan Park. The new ballpark will be home to the New York Mets' minor league team, the Brooklyn Cyclones, which will play its home-opener against the Mahoning Valley Scrappers on June 25, 2001.

The Mayor was also joined by City Council Finance Committee Chairman Herbert E. Berman, Deputy Mayor for Economic Development and Finance Robert M. Harding, and New York City Economic Development Corporation President Michael G. Carey for today's announcement at City Hall.

"The new KeySpan Park will serve as a catalyst in the revitalization of Coney Island, much the way Disney's investment on 42nd Street helped turn Times Square around," said Mayor Giuliani. "When the Brooklyn Cyclones play at this new ballpark on June 25th, it will mark professional baseball's return to Brooklyn after an absence of more than 40 years. On behalf of all baseball fans, I want to thank Robert Catell of KeySpan and the Wilpon family for their investment in this ballpark, which will provide thousands of New Yorkers with affordable family entertainment. I'm already looking forward to throwing out the first pitch at the Cyclones' home-opener, and I encourage all baseball fans to purchase their tickets to the Brooklyn Cyclones before it's too late."

Located just a few blocks from the Stillwell Avenue subway station, KeySpan Park will play a pivotal role in the revitalization of the Coney Island amusement area. To date, approximately 500 construction jobs have been created, and it is expected that an additional 200 construction jobs will be created before construction of the ballpark and related site work is completed. The Brooklyn Cyclones are scheduled to play 38 home games, and could play an additional six home games if they make the playoffs this year. In addition, the City can host up to 35 events per year, which may include other sporting, cultural, recreational, community, and civic events. Once the ballpark is completed, it is expected that an additional 240 full-and part-time jobs will result from the operation of the ballpark. The new ballpark is expected to generate more than $11.7 million in economic activity for New York City and is expected to generate $1.1 million in City revenues.

"Brooklyn Baseball Company is thrilled that the home of the Brooklyn Cyclones will carry the distinguished and respected name of KeySpan," said Mr. Jeffrey Wilpon.

"KeySpan Park is being developed as a state-of-the-art ballpark for the 21st Century, and, when completed this summer, it will be a fitting venue in which to return professional baseball to Brooklyn. Brooklyn Baseball Company is committed to making the Brooklyn Cyclones the best professional minor league baseball club in America. We believe that KeySpan joining our team is a home run for the Cyclones, for Brooklyn, and for all our new fans."

Mr. Catell said, "This is a wonderful day for Brooklyn and for baseball. KeySpan Park will be a centerpiece in the revitalization of Coney Island, a source of pride and recreation for the families of Brooklyn, and an engine of economic development for the City of New York. As a boy from Borough Park, I'm delighted that Brooklyn no longer has to 'wait til next year' for its own professional baseball team. I'm especially proud that KeySpan Park will help to make these the 'good old days' for future generations of New Yorkers."

In addition to revitalization of Steeplechase Park, many improvements to the surrounding neighborhood are planned. The Giuliani Administration has appropriated $11 million for improvements to the area which will include new playgrounds, a lifeguard station, additional comfort stations, shade pavilions, information kiosks and sand volleyball courts. Three pedestrian corridors will be built to maintain public access to the waterfront. Portions of the world-famous Reigleman Boardwalk will be rebuilt, and the landmark Parachute Jump, Brooklyn's Eiffel Tower, will receive needed repairs. Recently, ground was broken for Mermaid Commons, a public/private initiative that will bring residential and commercial development to Mermaid Avenue. In addition, a Local Development Corporation will be created to support the area's development of amateur sports facilities.

"This is another step in the rehabilitation of this historic section of Brooklyn," said Deputy Mayor Harding. "Mayor Giuliani is committed to making sure that what has happened in Times Square, on Harlem's 125th Street, and other parts of our City also takes place in Coney Island, once a crown jewel of family entertainment for thousands of New Yorkers and tourists. In addition to this new ballpark, plans to expand the Aquarium and establish a Sports Museum will ensure Coney Island's position as the place to go for great family entertainment."

EDC President Carey said, "After more than four decades, professional baseball is coming back to Brooklyn. The partnership between the Mets and the City, and now KeySpan, in this ballpark, will do much to foster the continued economic development of Coney Island and the surrounding areas."










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[Sentinel]

From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fireman Paul Isaac: The Y2K- KeySpan- Maspeth-Twin Gas files


...speaking of pre-9/11 terror exercises connected with the "Guiliani gang", i might have something else:

Some months ago, Aux LT Fireman Paul Isaac Jr (correct name) made already some news at PrisonPlanet.
Isaac "was stationed at Engine 10", across the street from the World Trade Center in 1998 and 99; Engine 10 was entirely wiped out in the destruction of the towers.

Isaac came forward and said, that "many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they're afraid for their jobs to admit it because the 'higher-ups' forbid discussion of this fact."

I picked up the same story on my blog and helped him to find out, if there was possibly an additional gag order by ex-CIA James R Woolsey, but besides hearsay we couldn't find any new evidence on that point.


Isaac didn't give up to dig more on 9/11.
Meanwhile sick from the air of 9/11, his dedication to 9/11 research became extremely high.


Isaac confidentially contacted me last week again and after i first denied,
i promised to help a bit, basically for technical reasons and proper promotion of his research.

Paul has no proper computer equipment at home.


Following is now a collection of 'documents', which Isaac sees in a logical connection.

I helped him to scan some stuff and locate original details.


I would like to forward these files into this group to analyse what he has.


I promised Isaac, that someone might help him to co-write an article.

I also recommended not to focus on one particular document only, because it could be easily oversensationalized and distract from the other stuff he has "letsroll.org-effect".


Here are the files:

To make it more personally, we scanned an older photo of Paul Isaac:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=paulisaac5nm.jpg

The files:

File 1:
The following picture is a scan of the brochure of the 2000 Y2K "Y2K readiness disclosures".
http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8697/y2kshadowdrill8as.jpg

On this brochure you see the names of some involved responsible spokespersons, among them Jerome Hauer (OEM, WTC 7 etc...)

One of the main organizations, who also had been involved,
was KeySpan, formerly Brooklyn Union Gas, as mentioned within this brochure on Page 3, as i recall.
I found a confirmation of their "involvement" also here:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990221102818/http://www.marketspancorp.co m/about/y2k.htm
KeySpan Energy's Year 2000 Program,
Year 2000 Readiness Disclosures


Isaac pointed on the cover of this brochure and asked for confirmations of sun/shadow experts.
He thinks, that the shadow which you see in the middle of the North Tower is an artificial constructed shadow from the Woolworth Building, possibly forced by a backlight projection.

Isaac might explain this better and i would like to forward his personal notes ASAP.


He thinks, that this could imply a symbolical "announcement" of the "attack" on the North Tower 9 months later, but possibly also could have been a test drive for a positioning of the bomb system.


I replied, that critics could downplay this as a photoshopped "dramatization" without any further reason.
Therefore he also suggested to add more files...


File 2:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=wtcpostcardcollection9cc.jp g

A collection of WTC-postcards to make the point, that this shadow on the North Tower (as seen on the brochure -and not manipulated from us) was impossible.
(Jean, our photographer in this group, might add now more clues)


Because i was more interested in another angle of an article, he had in this collection, we also scanned the following picture:


File 3:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=towerspluskeyspantanks1gm.j pg

Here you see the Twin Towers and a little bit far away, two twin gas storage tanks.

The story becomes now more interesting.

These two twin gas storage tanks had been destroyed, in a controlled demolition, by KeySpan (formerly Brooklyn Union Gas), on July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am, on Maspeth Avenue in Queens, New York.

http://www.qgazette.com/news/2001/0718/Front_Page/007p1_lg.jpg

July 18, 2001

Isaac believes, that this controlled demolition was a test drive for the Twin Towers, because of similar "procedure", effects, association AND nearby location.


Here is one article about this event:


http://www.qgazette.com/news/2001/0718/Front_Page/007.html
The Tanks Came Tumbling Down
July 18, 2001

"...KeySpan uses mechanized scissor-like devices to cut up the steel skin of the tanks, rather than torches, to avoid vaporizing the lead paint. In addition, KeySpan also laid down a special fabric cover to shield nearby buildings and vacuumed streets after the implosion...

...The twin gas storage tanks on Maspeth Avenue that hovered over Greenpoint and neighboring Queens for more than 50 years collapsed in a cloud of dust early Sunday morning after KeySpan Energy imploded the long unused structures..."



Possibly unsurprisingly for us (and maybe known for some), Keyspan destroyed these Gas storage tanks together with Controlled Demolition, Inc. !!

http://www.phillyblast.com/benthere.htm

http://www.phillyblast.com/Keyspan/keyspan6.jpg

Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2
(formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)



These are all current Isaac files, i can provide.

He might add more notes from other articles, but i thought, that's already enough to build a story.


I promised Isaac to send him all the links, once i'm finished uploading and sending him the first responses of our members of 9/11 Science and Justice Alliance.

I think, an interesting article is possible.


If there is enough response, i would post his email address.
I cannot speak of the significance of his collection, but i think, he found some interesting stuff and it depends on how one write this.

nico



APPENDIX:


http://www.keyspanenergy.com/corpinfo/about/index_all.jsp
KeySpan Corporation was formed in May 1998 as a result of the merger of KeySpan Energy Corporation, the parent company of Brooklyn Union Gas, and certain businesses of the Long Island Lighting Company.

On November 8, 2000, KeySpan acquired Eastern Enterprises, a Massachusetts business trust, and the parent of several gas utilities operating in Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

http://www.keyspanenergy.com/corpinfo/about/leaders_all.jsp
Corporate Leaders

Robert B. Catell
serves on JPMorgan/Chase's Metropolitan Advisory Board

Gerald Luterman
former Chief Financial Officer of Arrow Electronics (1996-1999).
http://www.arrow.com/
Luterman began his career with Booz-Allen & Hamilton
(linked to PNAC member, ex-CIA James R. Woolsey)

[Sentinel]

http://www.enron.com/corp/pressroom/releases/1998/ene/bunion.html
Press Release

ENRON TO MANAGE GAS SUPPLY FOR BROOKLYN UNION
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Friday, February 13, 1998

HOUSTON - KeySpan Energy Corporation and Enron Capital & Trade Resources Corp. (ECT), a subsidiary of Enron Corp., today announced an agreement whereby ECT will provide gas supply management services for Brooklyn Union Gas, the primary subsidiary of KeySpan Energy. Under the terms of this agreement, which is subject to approval by New York Public Service Commission, ECT will assume responsibility for managing Brooklyn Union's interstate pipeline transportation, gas supply and storage.

[Sentinel]

Auxiliary Firefighter/First Responder Speaks
After meeting him at Ground Zero just one week before, on Nov. 25th at St. Marks Church, Paul Isaac thrilled the audience at St. Marks Church in what was his first public speaking engagement. Paul had much to share based on his expertise which supported the claims that prior to the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, the fires were not only cooling, but it's likely the sprinklers were working. He addressed the issues of the firefigher's radios, saying that many of them as well as law enforcement are aware of the corruption of our leadership. He advocates for communities focusing on self-defense in the event of any future catastrophic events. Paul pointed out many aspects of the official account of 9/11 which just don't stand up to scrutiny, and shared an intriguing analysis of Controlled Demolition, Inc.'s demolition of the Maspeth Keyspan tanks and their resemblence to the collapse of the towers. His passion for truth, his solidarity with the community of first responders, and his desire for protecting our civil liberties were clearly evident. We look forward to hearing more from Paul in the future. For a 15 minute interview and film clip of Paul at Ground Zero, click here.


Paul at Ground Zero during a First Responder's press conference.


Heres to you bright and sunny desposition.



But, if you need alittle more go to ny911truth.org and watch as I bring hared evidense for justice.

Listen to the explosion going off before the collapse of the south tower and ask yourself what made those sounds?


As an Auxiliary Fireman I don't make any money as I'm civil defense not civil servant.

Truth is the Highest Religion
GOD BLess the Patriot

Have a nice day

Paul Isaac jr (Sentinel)
NYCcrashcrew@yahoo.com

[Sentinel]

EPA Covering Up Toxic Pollution at Ground Zero?

By catseye in MLP
Sat May 04, 2002 at 03:52:19 AM EST
Tags: News (all tags)
EPA Ombusdman Robert Martin resigned on Earth Day, and in his resignation letter accused EPA Administrator Christie Whitman of withholding data on toxic levels of pollution and poisons in the air at the World Trade Center for personal gain.



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According to Martin, Ms. Whitman is the wife of a former CitiGroup officer who now manages about $800 million of CitiGroup's investments. CitiGroup owns Travelers' Insurance, the insurance company of many buildings in the WTC area. He charges that because Ms. Whitman issued a statement that the air was fine, Traveler's saved a lot of money by not having to pay claims.

Apparently there are a number of complaints from rescue workers, residents, and cleanup crews of respiratory and other problems.

The full article can be found at the Environmental News Service site. The article also contains links to other documents regarding pollution at the WTC site.

[Sentinel]

Hmmm, looks like Cristys got some splainin to do. Seems Guiliani tried to cover up this little deal with all the baseball contracts by commiting grand larceny removing Official city records and placing them in private storage after 911. ooopppsdddd



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Citi Field will feature unprecedented sightlines, amenities, and comfort for Mets fans, sports fans and visitors to the New York metropolitan area. The open-air ballpark connects the Mets' National League heritage to the future and to the City through a number of unique design elements. Citi Field will feature natural grass and capacity for approximately 45,000 fans. A contoured seating configuration will bring spectators closer to the field on all levels to provide optimal sightlines for a more intimate and entertaining experience throughout the park.

> AMENITIES/FAN ENHANCEMENTS
• Citi Field's baseball-specific design produces superior sightlines for the game throughout the venue. There is a more intimate atmosphere with seating angled toward the infield and set down closer to the field. Forty-two percent of the ballpark's seats will be located in the Concourse (or lowest) seating level.

• The ballpark will feature some of the widest unobstructed concourses in new sports facilities. Concession stands and restrooms will be located within the facility's exterior walls leaving the circulation areas with uninterrupted views of the field.

• Wider seats provide enhanced comfort throughout the venue while more space between the rows allows for improved legroom.

• The Concourse level features 360-degree, walk-around circulation around the ballpark with expansive field views and ample standing room. The Promenade level features a split-deck design providing uninterrupted views into the ballpark from the circulation and concession areas.

• Fans throughout the ballpark will have access to multiple sit-down, climate-controlled restaurants, bars, clubs, and lounges, a majority of which will provide field views, and a wide range of menu choices.

• Numerous permanent attractions built into the master plan add to Citi Field's family-friendly environment, including: an expanded Fan Fest family entertainment area within the ballpark on the Concourse level, an enhanced outfield Picnic Area adjacent to the batter's eye, multiple party deck areas, and an interactive Mets museum with club memorabilia and Hall of Fame displays.


> ARCHITECTURAL HIGHLIGHTS
• Inspired by tradition, Citi Field will be clad in brick, limestone, granite and cast stone, with the brick closely resembling the masonry used at Ebbets Field, both in color and texture. Exposed steel will be painted dark blue and the seats will be dark green.

• A structural steel "bridge" motif throughout Citi Field reinforces the Mets' connection to New York's five boroughs while also symbolically linking the team's storied tradition to its future. Design elements call for exposed trusses, light towers, scoreboard structure, and a roof canopy that recall the ballparks of yesteryear.

• This landmark partnership will accelerate Citi's and the Mets' current significant commitments to the community with new resources to develop and launch outreach platforms and programs in and beyond New York City, involving both the Citigroup Foundation and the New York Mets Foundation.

As the first step in this effort, the Mets and Citi will commission a statue and name the entry rotunda of Citi Field - inspired by the classic design of Ebbets Field - to honor Jackie Robinson, the legendary pioneer and great American who broke baseball's color barrier with the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947. The partnership will include a significant commitment to recognize and perpetuate, in and around the rotunda and the community, Robinson's legacy and the "nine values" he embodied as articulated by his daughter and Foundation Vice Chair, Sharon Robinson: courage, integrity, determination, persistence, citizenship, justice, commitment, teamwork, and excellence.

In addition, Citi and the Mets through a pledge to the Jackie Robinson Foundation will help create the Jackie Robinson Foundation Museum and Education Center in lower Manhattan. As much as a tribute to Jackie Robinson, the Museum and Education Center will educate children about Jackie Robinson's pioneering spirit and leading role in social change. This partnership will support new programs for the Jackie Robinson Foundation, including leadership development and scholarships for students who exemplify Jackie's humanitarian ideals.


> SETTING HIGHLIGHTS
• A landscaped plaza around the ballpark will welcome fans, improve access and egress, and create space for pre- and post-game activities, vendors, and other amenities.

Various areas of Citi Field will reinforce the setting of the venue and the Mets connection to the City of New York and baseball history, including: the Ebbets Club behind the plate, Coogan's Landing beyond the leftfield fence, the "East Side" stands in rightfield, and "The Orchard" picnic area in centerfield.


> ON THE DIAMOND
Field Orientation: The four-acre natural turf field will expand from home in a northeasterly direction with the leftfield line stretching northward, and the rightfield line extending eastward.

Right Field Porch: In rightfield there will be a singular deck that will be situated to extend into and over fair territory by eight feet.

Pitcher Friendly: Distinctive asymmetrical outfield walls, along with generous dimensions (LF - 335'; LC - 379'; CF - 408'; RC - 383'; RF - 330') make for a traditional pitcher's park.


> DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
Sterling Equities, the Mets ownership group, has expertise and experience in the development and management of premium New York City properties, as well as new minor league ballparks in Coney Island and Port St. Lucie, Fla. The Citi Field project is developed by Queens Ballpark Company, L.L.C. and has been designed by the internationally renowned architects of HOK Sport. HOK Sport has designed and renovated 13 of the 30 major league ballparks in use today and seven of the last eight to open in Major League Baseball. Hunt-Bovis, a joint venture of Hunt Construction Group and Bovis Lend Lease, will provide construction management.

[David WJ Sherlock]

[Bushwacker]

The trouble is, NWOWATCH, what you regard as stark reality supported by indisputable evidence, are actually rather puerile fantasies supported by no solid evidence at all. If there were solid evidence, there would be no need to distort and misrepresent facts in the attempt to support fanciful theories in the way that has become the norm for "truth-seekers" of all persuasions, from no-planers to thermate-huggers to LIHOP merchants. You all have your pet theories and try to bend the facts to fit them, which is what gurl102 complains of. It is no way to discover the truth of anything.

[Bushwacker]

Ah, NWOWATCH has come back with a reasoned and convincing argument by way of a PM. I think it is worth quoting in full:

"Twonk. Bushwacker. You are an ignorant fool. So Kiss my hiney you moron!"

[marky 54]

[Bushwacker]

[marky 54]

[pepik]

You could bore someone to tears with this nonsense. WHO CARES. All of this stuff has been answered a thousand times. Don't like the answers? WHO CARES! Anyone? NO!

You want to know why buildings collapse? Talk to demolitions experts. Talk to structural engineers. Raise some money and hire someone. If you go to web forums and complain every day that "i don't think buildings should collapse like that" every day for the rest of your life, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE NOBODY CARES.

Get it? I don't want to convince you that Condi was doing the same CYA that every politician does when shown they have screwed up because I DON'T CARE whether you are convinced. There is no conceivable explanation or evidence that could settle that once and for all, because you can interpret it any way you want to.

You have the rest of your life to remain unconvinced that "sounded like a bomb going off" doesn't mean it was a bomb. Nobody will every be able to change the fact that someone said that, and if the guy says that's not what he meant, you can say he is lying or has been threatened. Those quotes will always be out there for you to cling to, and WHO CARES if nobody can ever convince you otherwise?

[marky 54]

[KP50]

[Bushwacker]

[marky 54]

[pepik]

[marky 54]

[Bushwacker]

[marky 54]

[pepik]

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

so which conspiracy theory is true is the question, an offical one or the one being claimed by millions worldwide?.

its easy to dismiss one and accept the other without looking at all the evidence and considering it all. but only the evidence can answer it, but if you have two differant claims on the same bit of evidence who's do you believe to be true?

both sides are capable of lieing and faking evidence or staging something to use as proof later(like a convincing u.f.o for example), it just depends on what your budget is as to what you can stage.

however if you didnt stage anything and all the evidence is real or your telling the truth, anyone can point the finger and say conspiracy theorist/liar and use ridicule, instantly branding the truth under the looney bin/ or making people question what they have been told rather than disproving the claims with evidence that they cannot prove unless using a conspiracy theorists tactic by making evidence look convincing.

it all boils down to what you think, BUT only what you think unless you in on the hoax/conspiracy to know, or evidence needs to be relooked at fairly with full complicity from all parties and in the eyes of the public to find out who is lying and why so the people are the judge.

however we both know that aint likely to happen, but you have to wonder why when somebody clearly has an agenda where 9/11 is concered. the innocent party has nothing to fear in doing so.

[pepik]

So, ever tried convincing someone that evolution happened or people landed on the moon? You can't, they can argue forever that you are wrong. Does this make you suspect they may be right after all?

The only way to see through the conspiracy theory is to say, "OK, lets assume it was a conspiracy. Lets try to imagine exactly how the conspiracy would have worked". Before long you have on your hands the most absurdly complicated, farthest reaching most all encompassing conspiracy ever imagined. And very little of it even makes sense - you have to go to great lengths to explain why two jets were good enough for the WTC but the Pentagon needed a missile and the fourth plane was secretly shot down, and so on. I find it impossible to put together an even remotely plausible or logical alternative theory. None of the pieces fit together in a coherent way. There is no rhyme or reason - just a grab bag of oddities and reverse engineered logic, cherry picked and cobbled together.

[marky 54]

[rodin]