Universal Pictures Deletes Their "Flight 93" Forum

[Wokeman]

It was fun while it lasted...

It looks like Universal Pictures decided to take down their "Flight 93" forum. In all honesty, I'm shocked they didn't do it sooner. The boards were quickly overrun with visitors DESTROYING the government's account of 9/11. -From a commercial standpoint, that can't help you "sell" a movie based solely on the government's version of events.

Poll after poll at the site showed 80% of respondents believed there is a cover up surrounding 9/11. And if you saw the posts, you'd understand why. Anyone coming in with a "blank slate" undoubtedly left with mounds of excellent information they never heard in the mainstream media. I suspect many left with a higher appreciation for those out there fighting for the truth.

Those challenging the official account were mostly polite and articulate. -They laid out well-reasoned arguments and produced references to back their assertions. The defenders of the "Official account" on the other hand were habitually rude and inarticulate. They laid out poorly reasoned arguments, and relied on pejoratives to back their assertions.

For instance, a post about the importance of the Northwoods Document was made. One of the boards "Official theory" defender's considered this a sufficient response:

"It never happened; people got fired, next-"

I replied:

"The relevance of the Northwoods Document is: It irrefutably establishes our government WOULD openly conspire to not only provoke and allow an attack (to further an already established military agenda) ...they'd actually manufacture the entire event.

Perhaps equally important: If the plan hadn't been made public, the same type of people who blindly accept whatever the government says would be calling the Northwoods Document an "urban legend" spun by kooks, loons, and moonbats.

-Worse, if it had been enacted, the government groupies would have bought the official account hook, line, and sinker."

Then, to show just how "Tinfoil Hat Crazy" the Northwoods plan was, I posted a few paragraphs of it.

"It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama, or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin Air Force Base would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time, the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin Air Force Base where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident."

Given those two responses to choose from, would you think the Northwoods Document was something you should verify the existence of, or something to be written off as irrelevant?

Throughout the forum, equally lopsided arguments were made on every topic. WTC 7, PNAC, The Collapse of the Towers, NORAD, etc. -granted, there were a couple fair minded people trying to think of legitimate ways to defend the official account, but most avoided answering any of the hard questions, relying on insults and diversions to scare people away from thinking for themselves. -from what I can tell, it didn't work...not even close.

5.3.06

PS: If the board gets put back up, let us know! info@stopthelie.com

[xmasdale]

Looks like this movie is going to provide a feast of opportunities for us when it's on general release in Britain and Ireland. I propose we produce a special leaflet about it for distribution to audiences.

Noel

[Pete J]

I notice our very own Andrew Johnson was getting stuck in there as well, making some excellent posts which were relevant, informative and polite but firm (you would make good aircrew in an emergency, Andrew .

Amazing how the whole thing got dominated so quickly by the 9-11 truth issues. It was an interesting exercise in psycology because the 'anti-truthers' were seeing these threads as some kind of invasion by a small 'cult' minority. They wanted rid of them and for the forum to be cleared for those who just wanted to 'discuss the movie'. What they failed to realise was that these were 'exactly' the ordinary people who they were referring to. There were mums with 9 kids and all sorts - they were just all demanding 9-11 truth ! Not interested in an impotent debate about whether the film was too soon' or 'too late'.

No wonder they had to 'pull it' (pun intended) since we can't have ordinary citizens demanding truth, can we.

A lot of it was quite entertaining if it wasn't such a serious subject - the hunt for superlatives in name calling and personal attacks just blowing a fuse and deteriorating into a war of obscene graphics. It may be no bad thing since extreme form of rejection are often the first part in the process of acceptance and it must be quite hard for many.

[is]

I myself was on there also. Im quite dissapointed it got shut down, we had a few of the inveterate 'shills' on the ropes in a number of threads.

Did anyone here take an interest in the thread made by 'scott d', where he described his involvement in the 9/11 coverup? I didnt personally know what to make of it. Im so annoyed that I didnt back up the thread, because he said alot of intesting things and named some names that I would have like to check?

Did anyone see, or through some chance miricle, back up this thread. it was called 'hey jebb, I was asked to frame bin lauden' (or something similar)

[Andrew Johnson]

PeteJ,

Thanks for the vote of confidence - I might make a good aircrew member etc - as long as we were given brown underpants as standard issue.

I have been posting to lots of forums - maybe too many!!

But yes, this movie may have a far more negative effect as far as PTB are concerned, so I needn't really say "let's keep up the pressure".

Cheers

[xmasdale]

Does anyone know when this movie's going to be released in the UK?

I'm old enough, just, to remember the fuss when Rock Around The Clock was released. People got so excited that all over the country cinema seats were ripped up by the audience, presumably to give fans enough room to dance. And in some venues they "pulled it".

Though I don't advocate damage to cinemas, I do think we have a brill opportunity for making a newsworthy fuss wherever it goes.

Noel

[andyb]

Noel, It looks like the general release date is 2 June and I'm sure there will be some sort of premiere, especially as it's directed by Paul Greengrass(also directed The Bourne Supremacy and co-wrote Spycatcher as Dave pointed out on Monday!!) I have a few friends who deal with Universal and I am getting them to do some digging and will keep you all up to date.

[andyb]

Just heard back from my mate and his Universal contact is off this week so will have an answer next week. The best part, though, is that he may be able to get me a few tix for the premiere(if there is one)!! I'll know more about numbers next week.