Recent convert to 911 Truth

molarz · Minor Poster Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 10

Hi

I've been a bit of a lurker at this forum for quite some time. I came as a skeptic but now the harrowing event of 911 is getting very troubling. I think i wouldn't have delved deeper if I hadnt found this forum....so thanks to you all.

Put options, insider trading, WTC7, the collapse, Silverstein?, Pakistan ISI, Mohammed Atta.

The list goes on and on. The further I move down this path though it brings in to question other aspects of control of our lives which quite frankly pisses me off.

I'm a marine engineer and I'm tremendously troubled by the surveillance of our lives which seems destined to only get worse. In my line of work it is easy to draw parallels with currently used technology, in shipping to what must be destined for us or worse already implemented AIS-automatic identification system? The tip of the iceberg of course.
One of many testing grounds I'm sure.

Molarz.

molarz · Minor Poster Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 10

no replies in my industry?
c,mon have the balls.

Zabooka · Moderate Poster Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 446

Well, im glad someone found these forums helpful. Though they are pretty dishevelled.

Snowygrouch · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:17 am Post subject:

Congrats for taking the "anti-lurking" pill. You`ll be glad one day.

Next step?

Show films to your friends / workmates.

C.

Zabooka · Moderate Poster Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 446

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewforum.php?f=31

Go to the new "Gathering" Section of these forums, which is for introductions and... introduce yourself to everyone. Would be nice Smile

Bongo · 9/11 Truth critic Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 687

molarz, welcome into the discussion. Wink

As someone who decided all was not right within weeks after the event, I have see hundreds of people 'come to their sensces' in the last 5 years.

All it takes is some open minded consideration of the evidence and the truth starts to emerge!

Well done! Give yourself a moment to pat yourself on the back... Cool

Then continue to read, question and learn!

Brian.
Wink

Annie · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

Hi Molarz

Thanks for posting that message- it's heartening to hear from a former sceptic who has had a good look at the available information and realises that there is just SO much evidence that the OCT is misleading, that you have to re-evaluate it.

As many of us know, it's rarely an easy journey, and we don't have the answers by any means, but we have many questions!

Regards

Annie

Bongo · 9/11 Truth critic Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 687

Well done Annie on the James Whale (Talk Sport) show.

I thought the general conversation went quite well, although I thought the discussion about the steel's melting or weakening point didn't fully cover all the facts. I think the main point that never seems to get clarification is that even if the steel was softened, this would have only happened on the floors where there was fire. The critics always discuss the steel as if all the steel in the entire building softened.

However, as we know, the temperature as little as the floor below the lowest fire would have been completely at room temperature and the steel would have maintained its full structural integrity (It would be safe to assume that a safety factor of at least 3x design loads would have been used as is common in steel/concrete construction, although with buildings of this nature and the wind load factor involved, the safety margin was most likely much larger than 3x).

In conclusion and as you rightly pointed out, NIST only considered collapse initiation but cannot explain the collapse through 75'ish floors of full design strength construction.[(inc. wind & static loads) + safety margins and untouched by fire)].

It is just something that I have noticed on a few occasions when non-engineers (particularly critics) discuss this issue and it is something to watch out for as critics through their natural argument, have posed this argument without a proper rebuttal to clarify this most important point.

Regards,

Brian.

Zabooka · Moderate Poster Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 446

Bongo I think you have posted in the wrong thread

Bongo · 9/11 Truth critic Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 687

It was just that it was a comment to Annie... maybe i should just have PMed her?

Anyway... back to your conversation, diversion over! Wink

Annie · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject:

Hi Brian

Just to go slightly off-piste myself. Yes, I agree with you that the steel issue is a complete no-brainer. But I believe that the official, scientific response has always been that steel is highly conductive, and that's why it weakened all over the building.

You couldn't make it up.

Regards

Annie

Martin Conner · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject:

Maybe I missed this, but has anybody considered that the sprinkler system would have been activated? This would have helped to cool the environment. Even if the system were damaged by the aircraft there may have been water pissing out all over the place from the toilets... Confused

Craig W · Validated Poster Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 485

Welcome, Molarz, and enjoy the trip down the rabbit hole... Very Happy

Well done for having the courage to change your mind - too many people are wedded to their opinions regardless of the evidence. It is a bold step to reverse a belief - and one that may have many repercussions for our general outlook on "the world as we know it".

Regarding sureveillance, it certainly seems to be a one-way street we're headed down in that regard.

Zabooka · Moderate Poster Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 446

anyone else noticed that Molarz has yet to reply here?

TonyGosling · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:22 am Post subject:

Give him a chance to reply

Craig W · Validated Poster Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 485

xmasdale · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:48 am Post subject:

Welcome Molarz

Yes, do show your friends movies, but remember to be kind to them. People have enormous difficulties coming to terms with this issue. It delivers such a hard blow to the reality they have for years assumed to exist. The realisation is scary.

xmasdale · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:51 am Post subject:

spiv · Validated Poster Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 483

Hi Molarz, welcome, well done for climbing out of the matrix, comes as quite a shock, doesn't it!!

As regards the heat of the steel, I can do nothing but agree with Bongo's comments. The heat wasn't hot enough to stop firemen (and William Rodriguez and others) moving around inside the buildings, nor for the unfortunate victims who were trapped inside the towers from waving for help from the upper windows. That, for me, is the proof. The steel could not have heated to any substantial degree throughout the building such that the only way those towers could have fallen with acceleration and speeds approaching gravity was if the steel columns actually melted (not weakened). They would have had to offer zero resistance, which, of course, is impossible and defies the laws of physics.

Anyway, I digress, as said earlier, welcome Molarz, to the insulting world of being labelled a "conspiracy theorist". Trouble is, so angry have I become with the lies we are all being fed, trying to insult me with being a "conspiracy theorist" only makes me more determined to talk about 911.

And a great google film to watch is here, lasts around 18 minutes.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-649993991751648213&hl=en

molarz · Minor Poster Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 10

erm yeah
im quite a busy guy with my line of work so i check the forum
when i can to get me up to speed and others point of view on
the geo-political scene as it were....ha ha.
certainly alot different to my peers.

im busy reading annies book at the mo.im upto operation broom...
fascinating stuff.i got it from library but its so good ill probably buy it
to pass around.
cheers

molarz

Zabooka · Moderate Poster Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 446

go Molarz, go Molarz, go go go!

FindOutTheTruth · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject:

Hi Guys, i just wanted to say a big hello too....been a reader of this site quite alot in the last 2months, but have been aware of what lies have been fed to us all since 2years after the attacks happend! took me a wile but i am only 23 and well growing up got in the way didnt it! haha

just want to say more and more are with us every single day!

Matt

adam1 · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: welcome

Welcome both! Smile

Bongo · 9/11 Truth critic Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 687

Welcome Matt. Keep up the good fight sir! Wink

Zabooka · Moderate Poster Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 446

Wow, FanTastIC!

ohh.. I hope we can see some of these new avatars faces at the premier of "9/11 Case Closed".

FindOutTheTruth · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject:

Zabooka · Moderate Poster Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 446

This will be called 9/11 - Case Closed It's kind of a response to the BBC conspiracies documentary, with up-to-date research included. It shall be introduced by David Shayler himself in person, so you are free to ask questions to him at the end of the screening. Admission free, though donations will likely be welcomed.
There shall also be books and DVDs on sale.

MONDAY 16th APRIL
7pm
Mahatma Gandhi Hall
Indian YMCA
Fitzroy Square
London
W1T 6AQ

Google Map link:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps ?f=q&hl=en&q=W1T+6AQ&layer=&ie =UTF8&z=15&ll=51.525246,-0.138059&spn=0.008891,0.032959&om=1&iwloc=add r

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