Mind control? 32 shot dead on US campus

[insidejob]

And there's me thinking you were a shill. (Because of you're attacks on La Rouche and point us in the wrong direction on the Rothschild.)

Your comments on this are good and worthy of more consideration.

insidejob

[flamesong]

Pincher,

I have no reason to doubt any of your post except its conclusion.

What you are trying to analyse is very likely the product of a factoid hungry media within an environment of chaos, distress and information suppression - I imagine that a lot of people who are directly concerned with this are not feeling like talking right now and the media want copy.

As for the Al Qaida-like video production - I guess you will have to include all the manufacturers of DV cameras in the conspiracy because that is what DV looks like. To be honest, visually, he reminded me more of Lara Croft and was somewhat comedic in his self portrayal as a macabre tortured soul.

It is more than likely just the media wwho are being inconsistent. If you want an example of real media inconsistency, I sugest you look at Private Eye's portrayal of the wild-eyed way the death of Bob Woolmer was covered - it's in the last issue which is still on the shelves.

Whilst I cannot dismiss the possibility of an MK-ULTRA-like operation out of hand, it worries me that the pages of this forum instantly fill with conspiranoia with every tragedy.

Interesting, too, that you make one initial post on the subject and then vacate - perhaps in a dramatic effort to define yourself.

[John White]

[flamesong]

Tssshhh...

The sound of a moistend finger making contact with the manifestation of John White's perception.

[John White]

LOL!

[Mark Gobell]

Ismail Ax.

VA Tech Engineering Professor Liviu Librescu is reported to have shielded students from the gunman who then shot him dead.

Liviu Librescu, a survivor of the holocaust, died on Israel's Holocaust Memorial Day.

How soon will we learn that the archetypal lone nut gunman, did in fact, convert to Islam ?

[Craig W]

[jcr911truth]

I posted this in another thread:

[gareth]

Does anybody find it especially weird that the play written by Seung-Hui that caused his English Professor Lucinda Roy such concern makes reference to a possible MK Ultra John Lennon assassination? It is only a few hundred words long and was used by the media to demonstrate his 'violent mind' but WTF?!?!?!

[insidejob]

For me, the real giveaway as a possible mind control job, is the fact that the gunman locked students into the buildings he was in by using chains.

What nut case would think of that? You would think that a nut case would conclude that there would be enough people in buildings for him to shoot at without locking doors. But he thought about locking doors to keep people out and keep people in.

This is the sort of behaviour of someone who has been trained.

[Craig W]

[Craig W]

According to ABC News, Cho's sister works for this Federal contractor: McNeil Technologies

Whose work includes "Intelligence services".

The company describes itself as "a premier provider of critical professional services and reliable business solutions to the US Federal Government". Its clients include the DoD, DoS, DoJ, DIA, DEA, etc, etc, etc...

Six out of its ten directors are "retired" high-ranking US military personnel.

[jcr911truth]

Why did the killer feel the need to file away the serial numbers on the guns he used? Why did he feel the need to hide where he got them from?

[Craig W]

[Ravenmoon]

[Craig W]

[GazeboflossUK]

Yeah, that's how I tackle it.

It really works.

[MagsUK]

Nbc are showing showing some of the "manifesto" but not all of it. It is what they arent showing that I would like to see.

Take anything out of context and it becomes incoherent ramblings. I chose not to read it all because there was little point with so many pages missing. But from the little I did read, I would like to see the full document.

I heard a young college student say he had been denied exit from the building and then more shootings occurred. To deny people the right to leave seems a foolish act and one which also happened in the twin towers "Go back to your office".

Smells fishy to me. That and the fact the cia were trying to recruit there.

[MagsUK]

[L8O1S5T]

I would like someones opinion on how these Black Ops are carried out. I mean, this is insane. He was really a student right? Was this planed WAY before hand or was this a last minute thing? because of the Don Imus thing and Rosie Odonnell talking about 911. Charlie Sheen doing the 911 documentary etc. Did they take this Chao guy and force him to do this? Put an ear piece into his ear and tell him what to do or was he recruited or something. I dont really understand that aspect of it.

Also 4/16/2007 = 11/9 = 911 Coincidence, maybe.

[GazeboflossUK]

This type of stuff is exactly what we need to be worried about. But on a larger, more sinister level.


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Seriously, imagine this real and x10000. And all the other sick and twisted processes that someone could be subjected to.

If Derren Brown can do this, God knows what else can be done.

[gareth]

Whether there is something more to the VTech massacre or not one image and it's use is more than familiar.



What effect will its repeated use have on the american psyche particularly that of white america? An outsider who violently kills innocent american children and then somehow using his own video recordings is allowed via the corporate media to crudely denounce the debaucherous, soulless, gluttonous ways of these same children. Surely NBC have a responsibility not to show such emotive and dangerous imagery?

So now when your average American (or westerner) sees a Korean, Indonesian, Chinese etc person what instinctively will be the first thing to go through their minds? Surely something that wasn't there before the events of monday. Will that be exploited? You betcha!

[gareth]

I also want to add that i would have zero interest in this thread if it wasn't for Derren Brown's magnificent work

[L8O1S5T]

Big Brother is trying to make it so that you should be worried and cautious about everyone.

[insidejob]

There's more oddities. There is Seung-Hui's video. We're told he kills a few people, go posts his video, then kills a few more? Mass murderers craving media attention?

When he gets his attention he talks a load of b***ocks. Accept, he written down his b***ocks and reads it on camera??!! So, he doesn't rant and rave in front of a camera, he reads from a specially prepared script!!??

Then, there are the photos of him. Firstly, they look as if they were taken by a photographer who wanted publicity shots of a new film. Look how well posed they are. In one shot, where he is holding up two hand guns, he holds the hand guns at a particular angle that ensures that we can very quickly see they are guns. That is, he poses the way he holds the guns for good effect. And, of course, who took the photos. Yeh, he could have done it all by himself but now he's an expert with the camera as well as guns.

If he's a lone gun nut then the story does not make sense. IT might if he was part of a small, death cult, which would mean they could develop a fantasy story for themselves and practice killing.

[karlos]

Most suicide bombers such as in Iraq are also mind control victims.
CIA has been doing this for years.
A normal person may do some pretty bad things but suicide is not one of them. A person on prozac can carry out his fantasy.

However for a long time the CIA hypnotise and brain wash peolple and then use them to carry out events. His classmates have described that when they said hello to him he never even looked back at them nor did he reply. That sounds like somebody who was under mind control.

[Pincher]

Fraternal Bullet Points For Flamesong:

1) You don't need to write pretentious prose when you reply to me: plain English will do.

2) I am not a 'Johnny-come-lately' to the spree killing debate on this board. As a matter of fact I started it (see the 'Tragedy in Paradise' thread)! If you had checked carefully on this thread you would have noticed a number of other submissions from me besides the one you attacked (checking carefully of course is something, by definition, that a knee-jerker cannot do).

3) No, I did not state that I was quitting this thread to, as you put it, 'define myself', whatever that means. I bowed out because pointing out the discrepancies in the VT spree timelines often necessitates waiting for hours online/in front of the TV for news updates and press conferences. It was a question of simply not being able to spare the time.

If you are not able to keep abreast of developments you should retire from commentating. I've broken my own motto and revisited this thread because of your provocation - so well done!

4) So the resident 'voice of reason' doesn't like the VT 'conspiranoia' that's broken out all over this board. Er...excuse me, Flamesong, but isn't this what our board is supposed to be about? Or are you recommending that we all revert en masse to endorsing the White House line on 9/11?

5) It comes as no surprise that your deeply moving concern over VT 'conspiranoia' (hateful isn't it? But it's your coinage, not mine) is 'shared' by critics of the media's coverage of the VT spree. I guess it's no surprise either that the most vehement of these critics are the cops & dons of Blacksburg.

In one respect, though, they are right. The media are rushing to judgement. But they are not hurrying to hunt SPOOKS, they are trying to seek SCAPEGOATS (cops & dons again I'm afraid). BIG difference.

6) Your facetious and obtuse observations about Cho's 'martydom' DVD (pastiche Lara Croft, conspiratorial camera manufacturers etc) are (a) either the product of a highly literal mind or (b) intended as a feeble, infantile insult or (c) both. The upshot, regardless, is that you have created the impression that my remark about the similarity between Cho's production and those of Islamist suicide bombers flew right over your head (so don't blame me if you've made yourself look feebleminded).

It appears that Cho's style of presentation was engineered to make the public believe there was no substantive difference between his core values and actions and those of Islamist 'martyrs.' There can be little doubt that the way in which he presented 'his' perverse propaganda would dupe most viewers into accepting that his deluded, fragile mental state ALONE could trigger a spree. Not only that, but also con the rednecks into imagining that they have ANOTHER bogeyman - sorry, enemy - out there to keep tooled up for.

Which explains why his spooky shrink (or should that be shrinky spook?) programmed him to pitch it that way.

7) Flamesong, you are either suffering from 'Oppositional Defiance Disorder' or have a ginormous intellectual chip on your shoulder.* I don't know what bugs you more: the fact that someone other than your smug, superior self has constructed a plausible hypothesis that the killing spree was devised in an MK Ultra type programme to provoke a liberal moral panic over gun control (and, more importantly, the inevitable conservative backlash at the polls) or the fact that you feel a complete dildo for having paid your subs for rather too long to the common sense view that such massacres were ALWAYS carried out by lone nuts.

Now which is it?

* Sorry to rub your inferiority complex up the wrong way, Flamesong, but Cho's great aunt in Korea was taped on CBS News @ 1.40 GMT today saying that he was diagnosed with autistism as a child. Now, knock me down with a feather an' all but you wouldn't believe who speculated on this very thread 48 hours or so ago that he might have suffered from 'Asperger's Syndrome' (a so called 'autistic spectrum' disorder)!

[Ravenmoon]

Seung-Hui Cho Was a Mind Controlled Assassin

[Mark Gobell]

[Skeptic]