Are you 1 planer, 2 planer, 3 planer, 4 planer or no planer

[Witchfinder General]

There are some of you who believe no plane hit the Pentagon.

Snowygrouch has produced research that supports no plane hitting the Pentagon.

There was insufficient wreckage for a big boeing at the Pentagon.

Some of you believe there was no plane at Shanksville because there was insufficient wreckage.

Some of you believe there was no planes at WTC because there was insufficient wreckage and the tv footage looks fake.

They could not produce a realistic CGI at the Pentagon because a ghost plane would not actually hit the lamp posts.

So are you a 0,1,2,3 or 4 planer and why?

[scubadiver]

WTC1 and 2: planes. How can aeroplane shaped holes be produced from explosives within the building if the structure is mostly bent inwards?

Shanksville: Plane was blown up. It was 20 minutes late taking off and a safe landing would have thrown a spanner in the works.

Pentagon: Missile. How can such a small hole go through 6 walls by a Boeing and completely vanish.

3 planes for me.

[flamesong]

I think the more important question is why are you asking?

As any fule kno there is more than enough evidence to place the responibility for 9/11 clearly within the US administration.

Not content with creating division by manufacturing a no planes theory - seems we need further sub-divisions. Only someone who is politically naive or is seeking to facilitate divide and rule would do so.

Answering this question is equally naive or complicit.

[MadgeB]

Anyone who has come to realise that 9/11 was a con should look at all parts of the fairytale critically, and will then realise that all the ‘footage’ showing a plane hitting the 2nd tower is fake.

So it could be said that anyone wishing to hush up the role of the mass media in selling the lie - highlighting that the rot goes further than just ‘the US administration' - is complicit in the cover up.

[flamesong]

I doubt many people (on here at least) have any illusions about the mainstream mass media and their role in maintaining the 9/11 myth.

When a NPT'er presents a single piece of credible evidence perhaps somebody might take some notice of them. But what we get is spammed YouTube videos which are, at best, based on a very poor understanding of video technology and perspective.

The mass media resourcefully out-gun us and NPT'ers are providing them with nice easy targets for them to ridicule the 9/11 truth movement.

You cannot see that? Or perhaps you can but you are so attached to your theory that you are willing to sacrifice the greater objective to satisfy your ego(s).

[MadgeB]

It's a whole different thing to say that the mass media generally ignore/cover up the 9/11 crime, to say that they were active participants in pushing fake images in the PsyOp plan.

The latest videos are not based on 'understanding', poor or otherwise, but on visiting the site and taking shots (as well as research into footage from the area on the day), which show the film aired by CNN is faked. Are you saying that perspective is different in the world of video technology?

You say, Flamesong: "NPT'ers are providing them [the mass media] with nice easy targets for them to ridicule the 9/11 truth movement...You cannot see that?"

No, I can't see it because funnily enough I've never seen 'that crazy TV-fakery conspiracy theory' mentioned in the mass media. Can you supply examples?

[Witchfinder General]

Madge is absolutely correct

There is very little evidence of ridicule of NPT with the mass media, the reason being that they don't want Joe Public looking at slow motion replays because the game will then be up.

Apart from David Shaylor & Morgan Reynolds who have briefly mentioned NPT on mainstream news there has been very little mention of it.

I can't say I have ever seen any slow motion replays on mainstream news.

[Witchfinder General]

Madge is absolutely correct

There is very little evidence of ridicule of NPT with the mass media, the reason being that they don't want Joe Public looking at slow motion replays because the game will then be up.

Apart from David Shaylor & Morgan Reynolds who have briefly mentioned NPT on mainstream news there has been very little mention of it.

I can't say I have ever seen any slow motion replays on mainstream news.

[Fallious]

Did you mean to post that from your two different accounts?

Edit: Is it me, or is it hot in here?

[rodin]

Are you 1 planer, 2 planer, 3 planer, 4 planer or no planer

Planes are a no-brainer

I'm with Scuba

[karlos]

2 planer

[karlos]

i think you have asked a very good question and it does make one have to think carefully
obviously there were not four planes
100% of us agree on that i feel

[Annie]

So what are we trying to achieve with the 911 Campaign?

1) Spread the word as quickly and effectively as possible to as many people as possible that the official account is riddled with inaccuracies and lies, thereby raising awareness and helping to prevent further innocent deaths and unjustifiable wars and gain justice for the victims?

2) Argue and discuss, in ever decreasing circles, how many angels dance on the head of a pin or how many planes might have been involved that day?

I would suggest that, until we have achieved the first and a majority of people question 911, we are in no position to demand answers about what really happened. Of course we can continue to argue and speculate amongst ourselves until we are blue in the face. But would it not be better to channel all that energy into active campaigning, and avoid division and rancour within our group as well as the possiblity of scaring off newcomers?

To say that the NPT has not received much coverage in the MSM, so that's OK, is naive. We have seen how the MSM has targeted Shayler about this issue, precisely because he has been the only UK truth campaigner to get much national coverage of and credibility for the whole 911 issue. I have not doubt that, as the campaign grows, the media WILL use this issue to attack us if they can.

So let's all stay focused and calm about what needs doing. None of us yet has the answers, so why try and argue for this or that theory that can't yet be verified? But we do have many questions which show the OCT to be a pack of lies. And it's by getting more and more people to ask their own questions that the majority will finally wake up to the truth.

Socratic dialogue rocks!

Regards

Annie

[flamesong]

Annie, thank you.

[Witchfinder General]

The Media will never use No Planes against the real truth movement because they know it is their achilles heel.

That's why we have had so little mention of it in the media.

Until we establish what happened that day it will be impossible to say who is the guilty party.

However every last detail of the official story will be blown apart when it becomes common knowledge that there were no planes.

No planes=No Jet Fuel=Some kind of controlled demolition=no hijackers=US Government/FBI/CIA and the rest are liars=INSIDE JOB

[Banish]

And to take that question a little further, are you a remote control planehugger or an alive hijacker planehugger??

[chek]

[Stefan]

[rodin]

Can't disagree with you there, Annie.

So what 'proves' 911 was an inside job? (Proof is incontrovertible evidence)

Even if we have 'proof' it must be something that everyman can lock on to. People are so confused by media, self gratification, drugs, ego, etc. they cannot weigh subtle evidence. They will be bamboozled by 'experts'.

http://www.911mysteriesguide.com/1.php

The above individual claims his site is self-driven and altruistic (funded by himself for no apparent gain). This might be believable if there was such a thing as altruism.

Needless to say a site like the above is a gift to the MSM when they want to attack 911 truthers, many of whom are straw campaigners anyway waiting to throw in the towel at an opportune moment.

Fintan Dunne considers the following evidence to be too 'obvious'. I get emails from him on all sorts of issues these days. Turnover, you see? No doubt it'll be bees and cell phones this week...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

A video of a Mossad agent saying 'our purpose was to document the event?' How damning is that?

Yet, according to tapes from 911, the Israelis were not apprehended by police simply looking for a white van that had dancing 'Middle Eastern' persons in it, someone actually seems to have deliberately tried to get them caught...

[MadgeB]

Mmm, interesting new variation on the ‘damaging the movement’ myth there Stefan - the media aren’t using “No big Boeings” against us, even though it’s been around for years - but they WILL in the future. They're saving it up, for some reason.

This whole 'damage' argument is a red herring IMO - obviously if NBB is true (as I believe it is), then the TV-fakery should be exposed, because otherwise we will have a ‘limited hangout’ and only some of the criminals will be caught. How could it be ‘dangerous’ if it’s the truth, except to the perpetrators? If you think it’s not true, then it should be argued against purely on the basis of its error. The ‘damage’ argument is logically irrelevant and is just a ‘gagging order’. The basis of the argument is really just either 'I don't believe TV fakery was used', or 'I don't want it known that it was used'.

I personally think it weakens our credibility to have 9/11 theories and ‘the occult’ linked, such as in the Sunday talk at the Leeds Truth Festival, but I don’t go jumping up and down screaming about it. If that’s what someone believes to be the truth, then they should push it. If I find it problematic, I should argue against it on its own merits. (Fortunately it seems to be more of a ‘minority’ interest than TV-fakery.)

On the limited hangout question, it does begin to look like they may let us ‘have’ WTC7, especially as NIST have reserved judgement. They can always say finally that yes, it was in fact detonated to remove the danger of uncontrolled collapse. Conceivably, further down the line, they could also concede that explosives were used on the twin towers.

But still the whole game plan, including the orchestration of the PsyOp using the links between the private contractors, the military and the media etc need not be exposed.

So yes, there’s a lot to play for. As Witchfinder General said, ‘every last detail of the official story will be blown apart when it becomes common knowledge that there were no planes’.

[chek]

[rodin]