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Yes, more compressed video and a small matter for Father Ted to explain.
Father Ted: Now concentrate this time, Dougal. These (he points to some plastic cows on the table)
Father Ted: are very small; those (pointing at some cows out of the window)
Father Ted: are far away...
This really is the most pathetic 'evidence'! |
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| flamesong wrote: | Yes, more compressed video and a small matter for Father Ted to explain.
Father Ted: Now concentrate this time, Dougal. These (he points to some plastic cows on the table)
Father Ted: are very small; those (pointing at some cows out of the window)
Father Ted: are far away...
This really is the most pathetic 'evidence'! |
True - but it is nice to be reminded of that episode occasionally.
Seems to be quite often lately, though.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: those birds sure move fast |
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I thought of all kinds of witty retorts and loony pictures I could put here, but I realised that nothing sums up my feeling about this thread quite as completely as the following statement:
"LOL!"
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Flamesong,
I looked at this when it was first posted and thought "do I REALLY have to explain something as simple as perspective to these people?", I'm glad you took on that task!
There is, I have decided, a key thread which ties together most "9/11 controversies" people- they seem to be stunted in terms of perspective/spacial relations/scaling.
Take Judy Woods in the "pennies on the windowsill" interview- she sits there and points to a building much closer to the lens on a photo and says "that buildings *** feet high- I found out, so that means this here is **** feet up the WTC[in the back ground]" My jaw dropped, I actually felt like shouting "FORE GROUND! BACK GROUND! PERSPECTIVE!!!!!" at my monitor!
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| Stefan wrote: | Flamesong,
I looked at this when it was first posted and thought "do I REALLY have to explain something as simple as perspective to these people?", I'm glad you took on that task!
There is, I have decided, a key thread which ties together most "9/11 controversies" people- they seem to be stunted in terms of perspective/spacial relations/scaling.
Take Judy Woods in the "pennies on the windowsill" interview- she sits there and points to a building much closer to the lens on a photo and says "that buildings *** feet high- I found out, so that means this here is **** feet up the WTC[in the back ground]" My jaw dropped, I actually felt like shouting "FORE GROUND! BACK GROUND! PERSPECTIVE!!!!!" at my monitor! |
So the 3D world could look the same as a 2D representation to them and basically they're one dimension short of a reality .... you may be on to something Stefan.
I believe lizards see the world the same way.
It's an evolutionary thing that stops them being blinded by hyper-sonic seagull shockwaves.
That may or may not be true but as of this minute, it's what I believe.
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Any creature which has eyes on the sides of its head will see in 2D because a composite of two images looking at the same scene is necessary for 3D vision.
Generally, though not a hard and fast rule, predators have their eyes at the front of the head and prey at the sides - for obvious reasons. Well, actually this is an NPT thread so maybe I am making too much of an assumption here! |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: Re: those birds sure move fast |
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Yes, perspective IS a wonderful thing.
What is that video mean't to prove, apart from a plane crashing into the tower?
EDIT: You posted an earlier thread stating one of the planes was an obvious "cartoon". You aren't contradicting yourself are you?
An even bigger
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| WG has evidently never seen birds close by fly away when startled by a noise. Either that or else he's a bored cointelpro agent looking around 9/11 forums for people to fool. |
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ROFL
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| Quote: | | Whatever they are, they're not birds, that's for sure. |
They're FAAAAAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell me...are they CGI birds or fully automated mechanical replicas?
Ooh Fred; you are a one!
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| I find this as believable as the CNN footage myself |
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ooookaaay.
Given, as Flamesong already pointed out WG's 'observation' puts him on a par with Father Dougal McGuire (If you look at a plane in the sky, then move your forefinger across your field of vision, as your forefinger overtakes the plabne, does it mean your finger is moving faster?), why on earth would CGI birds be inserted into the shot? To look pretty? A maverick ornithologist in the team?
Fred - they're birds.
Get over it.
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If you really want to discuss the birds, carry on.
But do so respectfully |
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Yes, the film is lovely (it doesn't seem to grasp that images shot at different angles on different cameras at different resolutions don't look totally identical, but there you go - on this premise I'd wager you could assert that any major event shot simultaneously by a multitude of cameras involved 'tv trickery').
But it doesn't mention your CGI birds. I'm just interested into how/why you think CGI birds were added as it's the weirdest idea I've heard for a good while.
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Milk - Fred is here because there's something else we shouldn't be looking @.
JMO
I have already completely pwned his thesis about the CNN footage. OTOH the new pic he posted with the same aspect save elevation may prove useful.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=8683
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| rodin wrote: | Milk - Fred is here because there's something else we shouldn't be looking @.
JMO
I have already completely pwned his thesis about the CNN footage. OTOH the new pic he posted with the same aspect save elevation may prove useful.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=8683 |
Yes - I think you may be right.
However, I nevertheless find his thesis the birds are CGI fascinating. I would like to hear why he thinks they would be 'inserted'. It's so irrational it's intriguing.
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| Stefan wrote: | | do I REALLY have to explain something as simple as perspective |
Please do explain how the law of perspective causes a "bird" to cast a shadow SEVERAL STOREYS HIGH onto the WTC, AND ONTO THE OPEN SKY, in this original version where the WTC has not been brightened up to obscure that detail.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/bird/notbird.wmv
Here within a discovery I've dubbed the Naudet Watermark Whatzit (first two excerpts at following link) is yet another giant hundred-mile-an-hour "bird" shadow cast onto the open sky. It appears in the longer, stabilized SECOND clip, about 40% of the way through, just after the pair of parallel wires appear.
http://911foreknowledge.com/rayswhatzits.htm
Here is how that Naudet Watermark Whatzit looks in some enlarged false-color enhanced frames by Brad M.
http://911index.0catch.com/bird.html
like a ball of liquid shedding droplets as it moved around.
Here is the same type of object a few minutes earlier, also discovered by me in the Naudet movie.
http://webfairy.org/slideshow/911whatzit/
The evidence of exotic S11 tech is direct and voluminous.
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| Ray Ubinger wrote: | | Stefan wrote: | | do I REALLY have to explain something as simple as perspective |
Please do explain how the law of perspective causes a "bird" to cast a shadow SEVERAL STOREYS HIGH onto the WTC, AND ONTO THE OPEN SKY, in this original version where the WTC has not been brightened up to obscure that detail.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/bird/notbird.wmv |
Ray, far be it from me to point out the obvious to dedicated 'researchers' such as yourself, but if a shadow is cast onto open blue sky - then it plainly is not a shadow, several storeys high or otherwise.
How about it's two birds - or is that too crazy?
| Ray Ubinger wrote: | Here within a discovery I've dubbed the Naudet Watermark Whatzit (first two excerpts at following link) is yet another giant hundred-mile-an-hour "bird" shadow cast onto the open sky. It appears in the longer, stabilized SECOND clip, about 40% of the way through, just after the pair of parallel wires appear.
http://911foreknowledge.com/rayswhatzits.htm |
You'd have to admit, it is slightly odd the way your 'UFO' seems to maintain a constant distance from the windshield frame - almost as if it's trying to fool us into thinking it's something on the windshield.
| Ray Ubinger wrote: | [Here is how that Naudet Watermark Whatzit looks in some enlarged false-color enhanced frames by Brad M.
http://911index.0catch.com/bird.html
like a ball of liquid shedding droplets as it moved around.
Here is the same type of object a few minutes earlier, also discovered by me in the Naudet movie.
http://webfairy.org/slideshow/911whatzit/
The evidence of exotic S11 tech is direct and voluminous.
Ray Ubinger
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I'm sorry to say I was starting to lose the will to live by this point, so I'll refrain from offering an opinion on your 'direct and voluminous' (not) evidence.
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| chek wrote: | | Ray Ubinger wrote: | Here within a discovery I've dubbed the Naudet Watermark Whatzit (first two excerpts at following link) is yet another giant hundred-mile-an-hour "bird" shadow cast onto the open sky. It appears in the longer, stabilized SECOND clip, about 40% of the way through, just after the pair of parallel wires appear.
http://911foreknowledge.com/rayswhatzits.htm |
You'd have to admit, it is slightly odd the way your 'UFO' seems to maintain a constant distance from the windshield frame - almost as if it's trying to fool us into thinking it's something on the windshield.
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Ray - have you met Fred? I'm sure you've got lots in common....
from http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.html#windshieldufo
The latest spurious claim to be circulated by Webfairy and other no-plane advocates concerns another "whatzit" or alleged UFO hovering around the north tower after the first hit:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/rayswhatzit.mov
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/911whatzit/?title=Slide+186+of+24 2&framebox=175
The small dark shape coming in and out of the frame in the movie at the first link is a bit of dirt on the window of the vehicle the film crew was travelling in. This is easily proved: the movement of the "whatzit" is perfectly matched to the frame of the window which enters the picture occasionally. In the second link, frames 156-160 show the dirt illuminated by the sun as the car moves out of a buildings shadow. Hilariously, Fonebone thinks this is the UFO activating it's propulsion system. Any experienced UFO investigator could see through this garbage in a moment. |
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| chek wrote: | | Ray Ubinger wrote: | | http://thewebfairy.com/911/bird/notbird.wmv |
if a shadow is cast onto open blue sky - then it plainly is not a shadow |
So I should have used quote marks, sorry. It's a conventional word borrowed to approximate the effect of this exotic new unnamed optical phenomenon.
| Quote: | | How about it's two birds - or is that too crazy? |
Too crazy if you look closely -- they're an identical pair, same size and shape in each frame, moving in same direction at same speed. Much more like a camera doubling-glitch than a second bird--but a real doubling-glitch would not have affected ONLY the "bird." The fireball border was also a moving image, but it was not doubled.
You ignored the other giant hundred-mile-an-hour bird-shaped "shadow" cast onto the open sky that I documented, at around 40% of the way through the second excerpt at
http://911foreknowledge.com/rayswhatzits.htm
immediately after the pair of parallel wires appear.
It starts out on the open sky, then zooms rightward and downward across the north face of the (North) Tower.
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your 'UFO' seems to maintain a constant distance from the windshield frame |
Baloney, it's all over the picture, and offscreen and then back on again. It blinks to sky-blue at one point. It splits into doubles and triples. Watch more closely.
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I'm sorry to say I was starting to lose the will to live by this point |
I know it's depressing; what can we mere citizens do in the face of such awesomely, almost magically empowered regimes? The silver lining is that once enough of us do rise up to demand free countries again, we will be able to harness such amazing technologies for peaceful honest happy productive purposes.
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Most of the footage of 9/11 we have on youtube and google video is a result of people who pressed record on their videos that day, it's possible that the "shadow" is not a shadow but "ghosting" - my TV does it sometimes, it's a side effect of bad reception where the image comes doubled up with a fainter displaced version. Much more noticable with dark parts of the image for obvious reasons.
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Real window dirt does not cast shadows toward the sun, nor cast white shadows.
Note NEW ADDRESS of individually viewable frames:
http://webfairy.org/slideshow/911whatzit/
Frames 143-154 establish that the thing is casting a dark laser-like "shadow" dot TOWARD the sun, LEFTward of itself in this SOUTH-facing MORNING footage, onto the side of the second big white truck. See the orb and its "shadow"projection moving in exact sync for these dozen consecutive frames.
That's what its "shadow" looks like BEFORE it CLOAKS: dark like a normal shadow.
It cloaks at Frame 158, turning from black to sky-blue in an eyeblink.
AFTER cloaking, it casts a WHITE laser-like "shadow" dot, onto the second building from the left, in Frames 168-188.
For more seeming S11 birds that aren't really birds (real birds don't emit blinking light), see this short excerpt from the latter half of the Naudet 1st Hit:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zalE7W-RkEI
My comment: "Around 00:15, the 'bird' that went to the right, becomes a 2-D shadow dot, moving down the left edge of the right-most building. Around 00:17, it becomes a white dot, moving leftward across the top floor of the second building from the right."
Similarly this later scene from the Naudet movie:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/blackbird
See also
http://thewebfairy.com/911/canale/terroristattack/
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http://thewebfairy.com/911/bird/notbird.wmv
| Stefan wrote: | | it's possible that the "shadow" is not a shadow but "ghosting" - my TV does it sometimes, it's a side effect of bad reception where the image comes doubled up with a fainter displaced version. Much more noticable with dark parts of the image for obvious reasons. |
The growing underside of the fireball is even darker, but isn't doubled. Try again.
Yet more of the direct and voluminous evidence of exotic S11 tech:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/newwhatzits
There are DOZENS of these things discovered so far, many of them NOT yet excerpted.
Ray Ubinger
Durham NC USA
ps edited to add another:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/wtf/
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These birds really do just look like birds to me.
Ray, if you will, I am just totally befuddled as to why images of birds would be 'added' to allegedly 'faked' footage. Please could you explain the motivation for this seemingly senseless action.
I ask as you seem a lot more polite and reasonable than Fred and the rest of his barmy army.
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