Should we have a forum for free discussion?

[DrJazzz]

This is an idea that has been requested by a few people. I have started this poll so we can gauge general opinion about it.

Personally, I simply cannot see why we do not. A general forum which can be used for introduction threads (these are common on all other boards, almost mandatory), light banter, esoteric stuff, news in general makes a relaxed focal point where we can get to know each other. A kind of 'lounge area'. To me, these boards feel quite stifled without one.

[xmasdale]

I don't understand the difference between what you are proposing and what we have already. If it means a forum where posts advocating hatred, violence, holocaust denial, UFOs, shape-shifting lizards etc are to appear, I'm against it. We have enough trouble already with our detractors quoting posts on our forum to demonstrate to the public what crazy conspiraloons we are. If people want to debate these other issues there are plenty of other forums where they can do so.

Our business is exposing the truth about 911.

Noel

[catfish]

The truth about 9/11 is at the core of this. And who is covering up the truth? The media. I'm gonna start an article of my own in the next couple of days, where I will try to investigate where the big bucks come from which pay for such a monumental cover-up. After a while people forget and then it doesn't matter how horrific the event no-body cares:
http://www.counterthink.org/019176.html
I've met teenagers who struggle to remember 9/11. I've made this point before but it's important, it's not a case of, "how did these people expect to get away with it?", they already have got away with it! The middle east at war, the terrorist act, a population in fear and turning on itself. It's these things we need to discuss. Calm. Catfish

[Poseidon]

xmasdale says:

[John White]

For anyone who hasnt done so, I would suggest coming and having a look at Illusions (click the signature link)

[prole art threat]

[DrJazzz]

[prole art threat]

I agree with Dr Jazza but at the same time understand that it wouldnt do the board a great deal of good if it became some crazy conspiracy theory 'free for all', so I can see Xmasdale's point of view too.

I must admit to finding the design of the board a bit 'scattered' and it is not automatically evident that other forums exist apart from the general one. Also, the fact that activity on here can be a bit sleepy, I myself have asked questions on here and havent received replies, as Im sure most of you have too. We need to make returning to this forum time after time an attractive proposition and if people want to come on and debate and disagree with us, it should be welcomed with open arms. It just seems a shame that the fact that we are being 'active' in our own ways, does not seem to be reflected immediately upon entering this site. I hope this helps.

[DrJazzz]

The mainstream media doesn't touch 9/11, because that would be to associate with 'conspiracy theories', and they are afraid of ridicule.

The Stop the War coalition doesn't touch 9/11, because that would be to associate with 'conspiracy theories', and they are afraid of ridicule.

Alternative internet media such as indymedia and urban75.com doesn't touch 9/11, because that would be to associate with 'conspiracy theories', and they are afraid of ridicule.

What are we going to do?

[prole art threat]

EDIT

[prole art threat]

EDIT

[prole art threat]

[DrJazzz]

[prole art threat]

[johnnyhotshots]

I believe that all of you who don't want a more general forum are blocking free speech and those of you who want to stick to 9/11 and are looking down on issues such as ufos are being 'elitist'; sounds like the are a few infiltrators out there or am I just being picky?

[John White]

[Jane]

[John White]

I certainly hear you Jane

Your direction is a good one and has merit

Equally, we have an infinity of Solutions, we just have to reach inside to find them

As I like to say "whatever lever works!"

Im usually coming from deep in the rabbit hole, 911 is near the surface for me: I too see the potential for affecting our leaders: after all the whole of humanity is far more powerful than just a tiny part

Agreed though the atmosphere can be rarified when transcending the Matrix

[Jane]

Thank you so much for "hearing" what I am trying so hard to put across, John White - I don't know you yet but hope to get to know you better and I will certainly look on the website (www.illusionsforum.com) you suggested, which I think Ian Neal has mentioned before now, but I managed to loose the link.

The only reason I don't want us to go down the road of discussing all and sundery on this forum (and I know only too well all the gates that can open up once one questions the "official consensus view" of "reality" - and this in itself is worrying - how one can have actual personal "evidence"of other "realities" which may apppear very "real" but in actuality just exist for oneself or a small group of other like-minded beings - as indeed does the Bush/Blair version of "Reality" for that matter!) is that I want us to WIN and see the GREAT CHANGE FOR GOOD to come about in the world - in fact for the world to change - and in order to bring this about I believe we have to stick closely to the topic in hand - to get across the message that 9/11 was an "inside job" !! This is as much as "the muggles" can cope with at the moment - please believe me!!!

[prole art threat]

[Dog]

Hear, hear.

And Jane, despite our very cordial personal communications, I'm asking you DIRECTLY to recall "blackcat" to this forum: his "c***" post was one of the funniest moments on this URL and you, of all people, ought to know better than to give pretence to objection to the "C" word. The objection is something my Grandmother might have made.

Recall him immediately with a full apology for your pseudo-righteousness, or I shall leave the forum in suppprt.

You chose.

[Jane]

If you look on the thread where I objected to Blackcat's use of the "C" word, my response to Blackcat's next posting where he/she said they would leave the forum (actually I was trying to make a play on the remarks about cancelling their subscription, not seriously suggesting either of us shold leave the forum) was as follows:

[Jane]

How many people on this forum have had experiences which most other people might find difficult to believe? I know I have, enough to give me evidence that I really am not "just this body" (thank God, it's not a very attractive one!) and that it may well be that "anything" is possible....yet it is one thing "knowing" this and quite another to manifest it....when I have had "unusual" experiences I do not seem to have any control over them and I do not seem to be able manifest any desired changes in my life - in fact as I was telling someone yesterday - I find it easier to believe I can help change the world then change myself - for example to stop experiencing "having asthma" - although I believe we could overcome all "illness" it sounds a bit lame when one still "has" the illness.....

Does this make any sense to anyone....

Also, has anyone heard of "daemonic reality" - I don't mean "demons" !!! Please see link below:

http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/001894.html

(This isn't the link I intended but it contains a reference to Dr John Dee who is someone else I have tons of "coincidences" around, so I'll go with it.

[DrJazzz]

Jane, I think there is far more for us to discuss and share here than simply 9/11.

[prole art threat]

9/11 is the central piece within a jigsaw puzzle. It is always good to sit back and examine the political, social, and spiritual landscape of this 'attack'. This is necessary , as discussing 9/11 as a solitary and isolated event is impossible, especially when engaging in debate.

[Jane]

I'm noticing more and more (and it feels wonderful!) that things seem to be falling into place! Instead of feeling like I'm fighting a loosing battle to "spread the word" about 9/11, etc - things seem now to actually be conspiring to help me!

On the way to the Milan Rae talk in Hebdon Bridge, I met a Printing tutor from the college where I work - but one who works at a different site (central site) to me. He ended up saying "Send me a copy of one of these DVD's." I can't believe I hadn't even sent it by now - but today I went to the central site and shared a taxi back with a friendly and again anti-war Media tutor. I brought the subject up again! The tutor was starting to become interested. Then I turned to the Muslim taxi driver and asked what he thought. Yes, he had seen "Loose Change" and said it was "common knowledge" that it was not Bin Laden wasn't responsible for 9/11, not the Muslim boys from Beeston, the area we were driving through. The printing tutor asked me for a DVD when we got out of the taxi - I actually had a copy of "Loose Change" (I think I only have the old version) and also a copy of "In Plain Site." He said he would copy them and pass them around, he named the Printing tutor who is his friend saying "He will be interested!" I said he already was interested, please give him a copy of the DVDs!!

Really the only reason I've kept banging on about "sticking to the topic of 9/11, etc" on the Forum is as I thought what if people like them start looking and come across "odd" things - I would still worry a bit about the anti-Semetic thing (or rather what people have said being interpreted as that - but I think it is clear what our views are in general when people read our forum. But I'm going to stop "worrying" now as no one actually was looking on the forum or watching the DVD (well, maybe the odd couple of people) and now I think the tide iw turning - another example being the taxi driver I met last week who took down this website address because someone else had just sold him "Loose Change 2."

I'm begining to think all I have to do is have the DVDs (I could do with some copies of "Loose Change 2") and I think I'll also have some little cards printed with my name on, phone number and the nineleven website address. Plans are already underfoot for people in this area to start meeting regularly and plan - I intend to stop WORRYING and be happy and enjoy watching it all start to unfold at last!!!!

[Jane]

I'm noticing more and more (and it feels wonderful!) that things seem to be falling into place! Instead of feeling like I'm fighting a loosing battle to "spread the word" about 9/11, etc - things seem now to actually be conspiring to help me!

On the way to the Milan Rae talk in Hebdon Bridge, I met a Printing tutor from the college where I work - but one who works at a different site (central site) to me. He ended up saying "Send me a copy of one of these DVD's." I can't believe I hadn't even sent it by now - but today I went to the central site and shared a taxi back with a friendly and again anti-war Media tutor. I brought the subject up again! The tutor was starting to become interested. Then I turned to the Muslim taxi driver and asked what he thought. Yes, he had seen "Loose Change" and said it was "common knowledge" that it was not Bin Laden wasn't responsible for 9/11, not the Muslim boys from Beeston, the area we were driving through. The printing tutor asked me for a DVD when we got out of the taxi - I actually had a copy of "Loose Change" (I think I only have the old version) and also a copy of "In Plain Site." He said he would copy them and pass them around, he named the Printing tutor who is his friend saying "He will be interested!" I said he already was interested, please give him a copy of the DVDs!!

Really the only reason I've kept banging on about "sticking to the topic of 9/11, etc" on the Forum is as I thought what if people like them start looking and come across "odd" things - I would still worry a bit about the anti-Semetic thing (or rather what people have said being interpreted as that - but I think it is clear what our views are in general when people read our forum. But I'm going to stop "worrying" now as no one actually was looking on the forum or watching the DVD (well, maybe the odd couple of people) and now I think the tide iw turning - another example being the taxi driver I met last week who took down this website address because someone else had just sold him "Loose Change 2."

I'm begining to think all I have to do is have the DVDs (I could do with some copies of "Loose Change 2") and I think I'll also have some little cards printed with my name on, phone number and the nineleven website address. Plans are already underfoot for people in this area to start meeting regularly and plan - I intend to stop WORRYING and be happy and enjoy watching it all start to unfold at last!!!!

[Jane]

Sorry for the double posting - a message came up the first time saying "message not sent" - this computer tells lies!!

[prole art threat]

[DrJazzz]