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The real story of 7/7
It was England's worst terrorist attack, killing 52 people and injuring more than 700. This week, the Home Office publishes its official account of the London suicide bombings of 7 July. Using police and intelligence records, Mark Townsend presents the definitive account of how four friends from northern England changed the face of western terrorism
Sunday May 7, 2006
The Observer
3am Hasib Hussain rolls sleepily from the sofa in the living room of his parents' home in Holbeck, Leeds. Dressed in the grey T-shirt, jeans and trainers that would become familiar to millions, the 18-year-old wanders through the red-bricked terraces of Beeston and waits outside the front door of his best friend, Shehzad Tanweer.
3.15am In a deserted and dark Colwyn Road, Hussain and Tanweer, 22, stand beside a silver-blue Nissan Micra that Tanweer had hired days earlier. Although their movements at this stage are not captured on CCTV, it is thought they are now joined by Sidique Khan, 30, whose role as a primary school teaching assistant in Beeston had earned the respect of those still sleeping in the surrounding streets.
3.30am After a sort drive across south Leeds, the trio pull up outside 18 Alexandra Grove, Hyde Park. Inside, lying in the bath upstairs, is the bomb-making factory that Khan had put together using recipes from the internet. Primitive in essence, the peroxide-based explosives were made from drain cleaner, bleach and acetone, bought without attracting suspicion in nearby shops. Costing a few hundred pounds, the London bombs, based on a derivative of TNT called triacetone triperoxide or TATP, were paid for by Khan. No evidence exists of support from al-Qaeda. Speculation that the four suicide bombers used the services of an Egyptian chemist studying at Leeds University are dismissed in the Home Office narrative, to be published on Thursday.
3:45am The trio carefully load five identical black rucksacks into the boot of the Nissan Micra. Each contains 10lb of explosive material with detonators packed inside plastic bottles, which in turn are packaged within containers from a nearby garden centre.
4am-5am Speed cameras track the car heading south through the city's leafy suburbs. To their left they pass Beeston, where Khan lives, an impoverished district of Leeds soon to become the focus of the world's media. The bombers join the southbound M1 at junction 40 and their progress is tracked as they journey south along the spine of England.
4.30am Germaine Lindsay says goodbye to his wife Samantha Lewthwaite, 21, heavily pregnant with their second child, and leaves their rented semi-detached home in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, in a hired red Fiat. Negotiating the B489, Lindsay arrives at Luton train station around 5am. The 19-year-old attaches a pay-and-display ticket to the vehicle's windscreen, from which DNA would later be extracted to identify his remains.
6:30am After 160 miles on the M1, the Nissan Micra turns off at junction 11, arriving at Luton train station car park at around 6:50am. There, amid the first of the day's commuters, is the imposing frame of Lindsay, a carpet fitter from Huddersfield. Like the others, Lindsay is judged in the narrative to have been exasperated by western foreign policy. Palestine, Chechyna and, in particular Iraq, are cited as factors motivating their deadly mission.
7am The four don their military-style rucksacks in the increasingly busy car park. Khan had loaded the Nissan Micra with more explosives than required. Contrary to speculation though, no fifth bomber was ever expected to carry a fifth rucksack of explosives holding two nail-encased bottles that were later found wedged beneath the front passenger seat. In the boot 14 components for explosive devices are also left. CCTV cameras, designed to capture car thieves, film the four engaged in a final prayer.
7.21am Looking like day-trippers, the four stroll onto the southbound platform of Luton station. Leading the group is Hussain, his hands tucked in pockets. Lindsay follows, his white trainers poking from beneath a pair of loose jeans. Khan comes next, with only a white cap visible. Bringing up the rear is Tanweer, who had spent the previous night playing cricket. Tanweer appears relaxed, his rucksack slung over one shoulder.
7:40am The four bombers catch a Thameslink train, which winds through the affluent commuter belt of Hertfordshire towards King's Cross.
8:26am The quartet are captured walking across the concourse of London's busiest station. They are chatting; Hussain is laughing. Minutes later, they are huddled in a final, earnest conversation.
8.42am Tanweer catches the Circle Line east towards the heart of the City, entering the second carriage of six on train number 204 where he stands by its rear sliding doors.
8.43am Khan boards Circle Line train number 216 headed west. He stands by its first set of double doors in the second carriage.
8.49am Lindsay gets onto Piccadilly Line train number 311 travelling towards the West End and stands by rear doors in the front carriage. The train is described as 'extraordinarily full'. More than 900 passengers are crammed on board. Hussain, meanwhile, waits for a Northern Line service towards Camden.
8.50am Tanweer places his rucksack on the floor around 40 seconds after the tube pulls out from Liverpool Street. Twenty feet below Spitalfields' historical streets, the cricketer detonates his device. Yards away, Michael, a consultant, witnesses a 'flash of orange-yellow light and what appeared to be silver streaks, which I think was some of the glass going across.' Then, silence and darkness. Smothered in blood, Michael assumed he was dying.
8.51am Khan lowers his rucksack onto the floor next to his carriage's rear sliding doors less than 20 seconds after the train leaves Edgware Road station. Moments later, passengers recall 'an orange fireball' sweeping through carriages. John McDonald, a teacher, standing yards from where Khan killed himself, said: 'Small splintered pieces of glass were sticking in my head and face. I could not breathe; my lungs were burning.' Above ground, London Fire Brigade receive the first emergency call.
8.53am Lindsay's delayed train leaves King's Cross three minutes after the bombers' agreed deadline for simultaneous detonation. Train 311 has travelled just 261m towards Russell Square when Lindsay detonates his pack 20m below the district of St Pancras. Again, passengers hear a violent bang. For the third time in a matter of minutes, pitch blackness descended on a packed crowd of tube passengers.
8:55am Panic engulfs train 216, trapped below Paddington Basin. The low groans of the dying are heard. Shrieks emanate from outside carriages as passengers are hurled from the tube by the blast. McDonald sees a man known only as Stan trapped inside the hole where Khan had detonated his device. 'Stan was calm and conscious and looking at me.'
9am A broken-down train having thwarted his intention to catch the Northern Line, Hussain resurfaces, looking bewildered and bemused, onto the King's Cross concourse and stumbles into the first signs of pandemonium. The teenager wanders absent-mindedly into Boots the chemist before leaving the station.
9:06am Inside train 206, passengers check bodies for a pulse. At least four are deemed dead. As the dust clears, a shaft of light illuminates Stan. His shirt has been blown off, the lower half of his charred body disappears beneath the mangled train floor. 'It was very peaceful and serene. The maintenance light from the tube threw a soft beam of light onto Stan's face,' said McDonald.
9.10am Emergency services are called to the underground. Moments later, the capital's alert system, devised in the wake of 9/11, is activated.
9.12am Passengers from train 204 fumble through the tunnel to Liverpool Street, past the twisted remains of the second carriage. Michael remembers bodies on the track. 'Two were motionless; one was just showing signs of movement.' In the gloom, he passes a woman blankly cradling the head of a hideously injured commuter. 'The whole body dynamic looked wrong, the way the lady was lying.' She is Martine Wright. She has lost both her legs above the knee. For another hour the 33-year-old will be held in the gloom, the last person to be pulled alive from the Aldgate tube bombing.
9.15am Amid fears more explosions will follow, Transport for London chiefs decide to evacuate the entire underground system for the first time in the network's history. A series of 'bangs' is explained by a massive, mysterious power surge on the network. Seemingly alone in the darkness, McDonald attempts to keep Stan alive. 'I kept on telling him not to worry. I asked that, if he understood me, to blink his eyes twice, which he did.'
9:16am First passengers to escape train 311 reach Russell Square after 15-minute walk through tunnel. Many are injured, some have blood pouring from their ears. Commuters claim no ambulance or doctors are waiting for them. Chaos descends upon the capital. Metropolitan police told by the underground control centre that explosions have occurred.
9:10am Hussain wanders along the gridlocked Euston Road. He calls Khan. There is no answer. He dials Tanweer. Again nothing. Lindsay, too, is incommunicado. He leaves messages for all three, the youngster's tone increasingly frantic. At the same time, TfL change their explanation of events from 'power surge' to 'network emergency'. Scotland Yard announce there have been seven major 'incidents'.
9:25am Those wounded in the Aldgate blast taken by bus with police escorts to the Royal London hospital. Meanwhile, on train 216, McDonald draws strength from Stan's bravery. 'I could see he was dying from his injuries. He never shouted or cried. He knew he was dying, he remained calm and peaceful.'
9:30am More than 150 bleeding and soot-smothered passengers emerge from Edgware Road station and congregate outside a nearby Marks & Spencer store. Former fireman Paul Dadge ushers Davinia Turrell, 24, from the scene as she clutches a surgical burns mask to her face. The photograph of the 'mask woman' becomes the first iconic image of 7 July.
9.33am Half-a-mile-away Hussain boards number 30 bus which has been diverted off the now closed Euston Road. As the double-decker crawls south along Woburn Place, Hussain sits down at the rear of the upper floor.
9.35am Aboard train 216, two passengers appear from the gloom and, taking guidance from McDonald, squeeze beneath the second carriage and finally free Stan. 'One of the men was calling Stan's pulse to me, which was fading and finally stopped. He died being held by his fellow passengers. They laid him down gently on the track.'
9:38am Bus passengers note a peculiarly distracted 'man of Mediterranean appearance' who keeps dipping into his rucksack at the rear of the number 30 bus to Hackney.
9.40am British Transport Police announce major incidents on the underground at five stations. Scores of ambulances arrive at affected stations.
9.47am Bomb explodes on number 30 bus in Tavistock Square outside the British Medical Association. Two minutes later, police receive a 999 call from the scene. 'There's people lying on the road. There's people trying to get out. I think there's an ambulance on the way, but there's people dead and everything,' said one.
Here the Home Office narrative ends. Within hours, Islamic terrorist groups attempt to claim responsibility. That the perpetrators might be four British men acting alone is not contemplated.
10.00pm More than 12 hours later, in the lounge of a terraced home in Holbeck, Leeds, a mother is fretting. Her teenage son was meant to be in London for a night out with 'mates'. Unable to contact him, Maniza Hussain contacts Scotland Yard's missing persons helpline. The police get their first break.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1769440,00.html _________________ 'The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'. JFK |
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It will be interesting to see if the official narrative screws up the timings in the same way this article does
As we know, the 7.40 they were supposed to have caught, according to the police information and this article was cancelled, as was the 7.46
The only trains they might have caught before this would have been the 7.24, which actual left Luton at 7.25, but as has been demostrated it would be physically impossible for the 4 men to have caught this, given the timing of the alleged cctv photo of them outside Luton station
The only trains they could have caught were the 7.30, which actually departed at 7.42 arriving in Kings X at 8.39, 13 minutes after police/the article claims they were filmed on cctv at Kings X, and with just 3 minutes for Tanweer to transfer from mainline to Tube and catch the 8.42, the article claims, and 4 minutes for Kahn to catch the 8.43 train
The other train, the 7.48 which Horizon and Milan Rai claim they caught arrived at Kings X at 8.42, ruling out completely the possibility that these men connected to these Tube trains |
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My commentary:
The real story of 7/7
It was England's worst terrorist attack, killing 52 people and injuring more than 700. This week, the Home Office publishes its official account of the London suicide bombings of 7 July. Using police and intelligence records, Mark Townsend presents the definitive account of how four friends from northern England changed the face of western terrorism
"western terrorism" - an odd choice of phrase.
Sunday May 7, 2006
The Observer
3am Hasib Hussain rolls sleepily from the sofa in the living room of his parents' home in Holbeck, Leeds. Dressed in the grey T-shirt, jeans and trainers that would become familiar to millions, the 18-year-old wanders through the red-bricked terraces of Beeston and waits outside the front door of his best friend, Shehzad Tanweer.
3.15am In a deserted and dark Colwyn Road, Hussain and Tanweer, 22, stand beside a silver-blue Nissan Micra that Tanweer had hired days earlier. Although their movements at this stage are not captured on CCTV, it is thought they are now joined by Sidique Khan, 30, whose role as a primary school teaching assistant in Beeston had earned the respect of those still sleeping in the surrounding streets.
How many days earlier?
3.30am After a sort drive across south Leeds, the trio pull up outside 18 Alexandra Grove, Hyde Park. Inside, lying in the bath upstairs, is the bomb-making factory that Khan had put together using recipes from the internet. Primitive in essence, the peroxide-based explosives were made from drain cleaner, bleach and acetone, bought without attracting suspicion in nearby shops. Costing a few hundred pounds, the London bombs, based on a derivative of TNT called triacetone triperoxide or TATP, were paid for by Khan. No evidence exists of support from al-Qaeda. Speculation that the four suicide bombers used the services of an Egyptian chemist studying at Leeds University are dismissed in the Home Office narrative, to be published on Thursday.
Innovative chemistry - TATP a derivative of TNT!
"TCAP generally burns when ignited, unconfined, in quantities less than about 2 grams. More than 2 grams will usually detonate when ignited; smaller quantities might detonate when even slightly confined. Completely dry TCAP is much more prone to detonation than the fresh product still wetted with water or acetone. The oxidation that occurs when burning is:
2 C9H18O6 + 21 O2 → 18 H2O + 18 CO2
The explosive decomposition of TCAP, in contrast, results in "formation of acetone and ozone as the main decomposition products and not the intuitively expected oxidation products." [1] It is the rapid creation of gas from a solid that creates the explosion. Very little heat is created by the explosive decomposition of TCAP. Recent research describes TCAP decomposition as an entropic explosion."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triacetone_triperoxide
So no flash and no heat from a TATP detonation.
That Khan paid for the ingredients is new to me. Anyone have a source?
3:45am The trio carefully load five identical black rucksacks into the boot of the Nissan Micra. Each contains 10lb of explosive material with detonators packed inside plastic bottles, which in turn are packaged within containers from a nearby garden centre.
Five big backpacks in the boot of a Micra!
4am-5am Speed cameras track the car heading south through the city's leafy suburbs. (They were flashed all the way down the M1?) To their left they pass Beeston, where Khan lives, an impoverished district of Leeds soon to become the focus of the world's media. The bombers join the southbound M1 at junction 40 and their progress is tracked as they journey south along the spine of England.
4.30am Germaine Lindsay says goodbye (did he?) to his wife Samantha Lewthwaite, 21, heavily pregnant with their second child, and leaves their rented semi-detached home in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, in a hired (?) red Fiat. Negotiating the B489, Lindsay arrives at Luton train station around 5am. The 19-year-old attaches a pay-and-display ticket to the vehicle's windscreen, from which DNA would later be extracted to identify his remains.
Apparently leaving no DNA on his toothbrush at home to identitfy him.
6:30am After 160 miles on the M1, the Nissan Micra turns off at junction 11, arriving at Luton train station car park at around 6:50am. There, amid the first of the day's commuters, is the imposing frame of Lindsay, a carpet fitter from Huddersfield. Like the others, Lindsay is judged in the narrative to have been exasperated by western foreign policy. Palestine, Chechyna and, in particular Iraq, are cited as factors motivating their deadly mission.
7am The four don their military-style rucksacks in the increasingly busy car park. (Any eyewitnesses?) Khan had loaded the Nissan Micra with more explosives than required. Contrary to speculation though, no fifth bomber was ever expected to carry a fifth rucksack of explosives holding two nail-encased bottles that were later found wedged beneath the front passenger seat. In the boot 14 components for explosive devices are also left. CCTV cameras, designed to capture car thieves, film the four engaged in a final prayer.
With prayermats on the tarmac facing Mecca?
7.21am Looking like day-trippers, the four stroll onto the southbound platform of Luton station. (Which southbound platform?). Leading the group is Hussain, his hands tucked in pockets. Lindsay follows, his white trainers poking from beneath a pair of loose jeans. Khan comes next, with only a white cap visible. Bringing up the rear is Tanweer, who had spent the previous night playing cricket. Tanweer appears relaxed, his rucksack slung over one shoulder.
7:40am The four bombers catch a (cancelled) Thameslink train, which winds through the affluent commuter belt of Hertfordshire towards King's Cross.
8:26am The quartet are captured walking across the concourse of London's busiest station. They are chatting; Hussain is laughing. Minutes later, they are huddled in a final, earnest conversation.
But not on CCTV at King's Cross Thameslink?
8.42am Tanweer catches the Circle Line east towards the heart of the City, entering the second carriage of six on train number 204 where he stands by its rear sliding doors.
8.43am Khan boards Circle Line train number 216 headed west. He stands by its first set of double doors in the second carriage.
Compare:
"I have been in touch with the British Transport Police and have managed to obtain the following information:
- the Eastbound Circle line train (204) left King's Cross at 08:35.
- the Westbound Circle line train (216) left King's Cross at 08:42
- the Piccadilly Line train south left King's Cross at 08:48
I trust the above is of use to you.
Vicky
Vicky Hutchinson
Transport Security Directorate
Department for Transport
"KX departure times"
8.49am Lindsay gets onto Piccadilly Line train number 311 travelling towards the West End and stands by rear doors in the front carriage. The train is described as 'extraordinarily full'. More than 900 passengers are crammed on board. Hussain, meanwhile, waits for a Northern Line service towards Camden.
8.50am Tanweer places his rucksack on the floor around 40 seconds after the tube pulls out from Liverpool Street. Twenty feet below Spitalfields' historical streets, the cricketer detonates his device. Yards away, Michael, a consultant, witnesses a 'flash of orange-yellow light and what appeared to be silver streaks, which I think was some of the glass going across.' Then, silence and darkness. Smothered in blood, Michael assumed he was dying.
8.51am Khan lowers his rucksack onto the floor next to his carriage's rear sliding doors less than 20 seconds after the train leaves Edgware Road station. Moments later, passengers recall 'an orange fireball' sweeping through carriages. John McDonald, a teacher, standing yards from where Khan killed himself, said: 'Small splintered pieces of glass were sticking in my head and face. I could not breathe; my lungs were burning.' Above ground, London Fire Brigade receive the first emergency call.
8.53am Lindsay's delayed train leaves King's Cross three minutes after the bombers' agreed deadline for simultaneous detonation. Train 311 has travelled just 261m towards Russell Square when Lindsay detonates his pack 20m below the district of St Pancras. Again, passengers hear a violent bang. For the third time in a matter of minutes, pitch blackness descended on a packed crowd of tube passengers.
Did the train really spend 4 minutes at the platform? No-one has said this before. Why is it identified as number 311?
261m from KX is from the BBC. Actually the BBC website says that the rear of the train was 261m from KX platform. If the train had travelled 261m the rear would only be 157m from the platform, taking the train length to be 104m as the BBC states. (Piccy train are in fact longer than other six car trains at 107.7)
8:55am Panic engulfs train 216, trapped below Paddington Basin. The low groans of the dying are heard. Shrieks emanate from outside carriages as passengers are hurled from the tube by the blast. McDonald sees a man known only as Stan trapped inside the hole where Khan had detonated his device. 'Stan was calm and conscious and looking at me.'
9am A broken-down train having thwarted his intention to catch the Northern Line, (The Northern was running after the earlier suspension south of Stockwell. Source?). Hussain resurfaces, looking bewildered and bemused, onto the King's Cross concourse and stumbles into the first signs of pandemonium. The teenager wanders absent-mindedly into Boots the chemist before leaving the station.
9:06am Inside train 206 (make that 216), passengers check bodies for a pulse. At least four are deemed dead. As the dust clears, a shaft of light illuminates Stan. His shirt has been blown off, the lower half of his charred body disappears beneath the mangled train floor. 'It was very peaceful and serene. The maintenance light from the tube threw a soft beam of light onto Stan's face,' said McDonald.
9.10am Emergency services are called to the underground. Moments later, the capital's alert system, devised in the wake of 9/11, is activated.
9.12am Passengers from train 204 fumble through the tunnel to Liverpool Street, past the twisted remains of the second carriage. Michael remembers bodies on the track. 'Two were motionless; one was just showing signs of movement.' In the gloom, he passes a woman blankly cradling the head of a hideously injured commuter. 'The whole body dynamic looked wrong, the way the lady was lying.' She is Martine Wright. She has lost both her legs above the knee. For another hour the 33-year-old will be held in the gloom, the last person to be pulled alive from the Aldgate tube bombing.
Did any passengers evacuate to Liverpool Street?
9.15am Amid fears more explosions will follow, Transport for London chiefs decide to evacuate the entire underground system for the first time in the network's history. A series of 'bangs' is explained by a massive, mysterious power surge on the network. Seemingly alone in the darkness, McDonald attempts to keep Stan alive. 'I kept on telling him not to worry. I asked that, if he understood me, to blink his eyes twice, which he did.'
9:16am First passengers to escape train 311 reach Russell Square after 15-minute walk through tunnel. Many are injured, some have blood pouring from their ears. Commuters claim no ambulance or doctors are waiting for them. Chaos descends upon the capital. Metropolitan police told by the underground control centre that explosions have occurred.
9:10am Hussain wanders along the gridlocked Euston Road. He calls Khan. There is no answer. He dials Tanweer. Again nothing. Lindsay, too, is incommunicado. He leaves messages for all three, the youngster's tone increasingly frantic. At the same time, TfL change their explanation of events from 'power surge' to 'network emergency'. Scotland Yard announce there have been seven major 'incidents' .
Did they use the word 'major'?
9:25am Those wounded in the Aldgate blast taken by bus with police escorts to the Royal London hospital. Meanwhile, on train 216, McDonald draws strength from Stan's bravery. 'I could see he was dying from his injuries. He never shouted or cried. He knew he was dying, he remained calm and peaceful.'
9:30am More than 150 bleeding and soot-smothered passengers emerge from Edgware Road station and congregate outside a nearby Marks & Spencer store. Former fireman Paul Dadge ushers Davinia Turrell, 24, from the scene as she clutches a surgical burns mask to her face. The photograph of the 'mask woman' becomes the first iconic image of 7 July.
9.33am Half-a-mile-away Hussain boards number 30 bus which has been diverted off the now closed Euston Road. As the double-decker crawls south along Woburn Place, Hussain sits down at the rear of the upper floor.
How is it known that he boarded at 0933 and sat upstairs at the back?
9.35am Aboard train 216, two passengers appear from the gloom and, taking guidance from McDonald, squeeze beneath the second carriage and finally free Stan. 'One of the men was calling Stan's pulse to me, which was fading and finally stopped. He died being held by his fellow passengers. They laid him down gently on the track.'
9:38am Bus passengers note a peculiarly distracted 'man of Mediterranean appearance' who keeps dipping into his rucksack at the rear of the number 30 bus to Hackney.
9.40am British Transport Police announce major incidents on the underground at five stations. Scores of ambulances arrive at affected stations.
9.47am Bomb explodes on number 30 bus in Tavistock Square outside the British Medical Association. Two minutes later, police receive a 999 call from the scene. 'There's people lying on the road. There's people trying to get out. I think there's an ambulance on the way, but there's people dead and everything,' said one.
Here the Home Office narrative ends. Within hours, Islamic terrorist groups attempt to claim responsibility. That the perpetrators might be four British men acting alone is not contemplated.
10.00pm More than 12 hours later, in the lounge of a terraced home in Holbeck, Leeds, a mother is fretting. Her teenage son was meant to be in London for a night out with 'mates'. Unable to contact him, Maniza Hussain contacts Scotland Yard's missing persons helpline. The police get their first break. _________________ Follow the numbers
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9-11 readers will probably realise that among many absurdities was the repeated claim that the four men left Luton on the 7.40 train (which had been cancelled, as two separate Thamesink officials told us, and we have been telling the world for many months).
We are also (it appears) to be again told that the 4 men were filmed on camera at Kings Cross at 8.26, which is impossible if they got the 7.30 train (left at 7.42), or took any later-departing train, as these arrived too late to get on two of the relevant tubes; and which is still virtually impossible in the unlikely event that the men managed to catch the 7.24 (left at 7.25), in which case we should have had public sightings of four Asians with army rucksacks rushing at both ends.
A detailed demolition of Townsend's preview is here: http://j7truth.blogspot.com and you are encouraged to check out our relaunched website www.julyseventh.co.uk (now with a much more sparse, tight, fact- and question-based approach) , which will hopefully equip people to judge the veracity or otherwise of the 'narrative' when it comes out.
Although the main media debate (?distraction) is likely to centre on whether there is a link to the Iraq war (that these Muslims should bomb us), we plan to do out best to explode the unthinking consensus (about the guilty men from Leeds) on which both Blair and (from a different angle) Galloway have taken their stand, and for which there is so far no good evidence available (that could stand up in court).
The inadequacy of the 'narrative' points into heightened relief the need for a proper Inquiry, and in this connection I would encourage you to check out (criticism wlecom) the following MINIMUM CRITERIA STATEMENT (which I drafted but which has no 'official' status and could yet be adopted or superceded in revised form by the July Seventh Truth Campaign collectively).
And please can people get in touch with me/us by pm or phone if you have media or organisational contacts you think could help us in the coming days/weeks up to the Inquest and First Anniversary. .
Many thanks. Cheers, keith 0845 456 4779 or 07815 653389
For a full and independent Inquiry into July 7th -
5 Reasons and 5 Criteria
Reasons:
1) July 7th was the biggest loss of life in London since the Luftwaffe in the forties and the big smog in the fifties. Penny pinching excuses and refusal of an inquiry suggests that the government holds cheap the lives of all 56 or so people who died that terrible day.
2) Unless we are sure what happened we can't know who and why, and we can't take necessary action to protect ourselves from repeats.
3) July 7th was followed by hasty attribution of guilt to four men on the basis of media leaks. Trial by media is in nobody's interests. Innocent until proven Muslim?
4) Far from a public inquiry 'detracting from the investigation' such an inquiry is itself an investigation. There is no good reason why an independent inquiry should not help the police investigation.
5) Since July 7th there have been heightened levels of fear and social division. The government's refusal (to date) to hold an Inquiry has also fuelled suspicions in some quarters that some people have something to hide. These social wounds can only be addressed if the truth is credibly established by a searching public Inquiry which meet the following five criteria.
Minimum Inquiry Criteria
1) Adequate remit: not just or primarily about prior 'intelligence failures' or subsequent emergency service responses, or 'what brought these attacks to our shores', but what really happened and who was responsible.
2) Adequate powers:
to compel Ministers, officials and witnesses to testify in person and be cross-examined under oath
to provide for immunity from legal prosecution under Official Secrets and other legislation (save only as regards perjury)
to ensure witnesses protection from revenge attacks or jobloss;
to force production into the public realm of all relevant reports and physical records such as CCTV images, traffic cams, mobile phone, bank, credit card, computer records, bus and carriage forensics, etc.
3) Adequate time, resources and staffing. The Inquiry must be able to commission and carry out cross-examination, and independent research and analysis.
4) Appropriate composition: Trusted and competent Inquiry chairperson and panel of members drawn from varied social backgrounds and not insider appointees.
5) Widespread public confidence: The Inquiry must have the confidence both of survivors and relatives in London and of the relatives and friends of those accused of having caused these fatalities, etc.
WWW.JULYSEVENTH.CO.UK
We call on concerned citizens and organisations of all kinds to join as active partners in an independent 'people's inquiry process' so as to sift fact from supposition, fiction and lies, and to support truth-tellers who have and may come forward.
We call on all who hold responsible positions in public life, the media and community organisations to suspend judgment with respect to who is behind any particular past terrorist atrocities, or any possible fuuture attacks, and not to indulge in premature and collective attributions of guilt, but rather to seek coherent, relevant and well-attested evidence. _________________ For the defence of our one worldwide civilian Motherland, against whatever ruling or informal fraternities.
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A new book on 7/7 due out soon. Does anyone know what his book on 9/11 said?
Quote: | The London Bombings
An Independent Inquiry
N. Mosaddeq Ahmed
* ISBN 0715635832
* June 2006
* £8.99 / B Format Paperback, 256 pages
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On July 7th 2005 London experienced its most serious terrorist attack since the V-2 raids of WW2. We still don’t know who planned the attacks or whether they remain at large in the U.K.
At first the police were sure that the bombers used weapons-grade plastic explosives and sophisticated timers. Two weeks later they changed their minds – the bombs were home-made and were detonated manually. Since then the official account has changed repeatedly and remains riddled with anomalies and confusion. The government is resisting calls for a full inquiry and instead intends to present a ‘narrative’ written by a civil servant that will stand as the definitive account of what took place. As Mosaddeq demonstrates in this exhaustive investigation, such an approach cannot hope to provide the public with an adequate explanation of what took place. He further shows how the attacks can only be fully understood in the light of extensive co-operation between the Islamist extremists and Western Intelligence in Central Asia, and U.S.–U.K. state interests. The London bombings, much like the attacks on New York in 2001, were a widely predicted consequence of the West’s global strategy. If we do face a future of terrorism we should at least understand the extent to which our governments have accepted this as the price of business as usual. |
http://www.duckw.com/general/title.php?titleissue_id=329 _________________ 'The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'. JFK |
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paul wright Moderator
Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 2650 Location: Sunny Bradford, Northern Lights
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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It should wipe the floor with Milan Rai's account |
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Keith Mothersson Angel - now passed away
Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 303 Location: Perth
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Nafeez's new book |
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Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed is founder (April 2001) and executive director of a Brighton based on-line thinktank, the Institute for Policy Research and Development, from which he authored The War on Freedom: How and Why America was Attacked on Sept 11, 2001 - which was one of the first 9-11 books in the field, and influenced Gore Vidal and many others with his thorough analysis of the air defence stand-down.
By the time of his second book, The War on Truth - 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism, some of us hoped he would move on from Lihop to direct Mihop in the light of the work of Jim Hoffman (www.911research.wtc7.net) and others on the physics of the triple towers. Alas, he doesn't deal with the physics of either Manhattan or Pentagon, which led one Muslim friend of mine to call the book a waste of a good title.
Instead he produced an immensely sophisticated understanding of Western and pro-Western (Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi, etc) involvement in Al-Qaida type networks and terrorism, which is nevertheless still seen as an independent enough phenomenon for Nafeez to basically accept the main meme of 9-11 - 'we were attacked'.
There are some terrific chapters within it, such as his final chapter: Terrorism as Historical Geo-strategy, (which has useful lowdown on the Boston Massacre, the Mexican American War, the Sinking of the Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin) and Chapter 3 Terrorism and Statecraft Part 2: which has very valuable stuff on how France and the UK and US turned a blind eye to large scale Algerian state terror blamed on radical Islamism. (Adam Curtis also mentioned this in his mostly marbvellous Power of Nightmares, but neither men build a bridge from this to MIHOP concerning 9-11.)
So Nafeez will be arguing a much more sophisticated and systemic version of blowback than Milan Rai, IMO, and will probably suggest that Western-linked figures (such as Haroon Rashid Aswat) may have been involved in recruiting and indoctrinating the men from Leeds, or 'planning the attacks' - which is I guess close to a weak version of MIHOP in an expanded sense of a degree of Western collusion in the procuring of these attacks and helping them happen by manipulating vulnerable lads through their religion.
But, judging by his shocking silence on the triple Towers, he'll steer well clear of the sort of detailed work Prole, The Antagonist, Astro and Numeral have been doing, which suggests a more direct MIHOP or actual engineering of the atrocity, with all or most of the men from Leeds being chosen to be patsies, I would guess. _________________ For the defence of our one worldwide civilian Motherland, against whatever ruling or informal fraternities.
May all beings be happy |
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Ally Moderate Poster
Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 909 Location: banned
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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He's not the only one writing a book....
'We are very sorry your were injured by terrorists, Mr Tulloch. Here's £10.'
May 8 2006
Gareth Rogers, South Wales Echo
A victim of the July 7 bombing in London has hit out at the Government for paying him just £10 compensation after the atrocity 10 months ago.
Professor John Tulloch, who works at Brunel University in London, but lives in Penarth, is still suffering after surviving the blast at Edgware Road tube station.
The 63-year-old was sat opposite suicide bomber Sidique Khan when he detonated the bomb on the crammed tube train.
Luckily, a briefcase positioned between Prof Tulloch and the bomb shielded him from the worst of the blast.
The sociology lecturer, who miraculously only suffered minor injuries to his thigh in the explosion, said: 'I have so far only received £10 to cover the cost of the photos of my remaining scars that the Government has asked for.
'I have had nothing yet from compensation, although I did get a few thousand pounds from the London Bombings Relief Charitable Fund.'
All compensation claims on behalf of the Government are being handled by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA).
The organisation has so far been criticised for the delay in paying compensation to victims and their families.
Prof Tulloch said: 'They are certainly taking a long time over it.'
Since the 7/7 bombing the CICA has made 106 payments to victims of the attacks. It is thought up to 2,500 people could receive payments.
But the organisation has been criticised for the delay in getting money to victims and their families.
Prof Tulloch, who is writing a book about the bombings, said he is determined to secure his compensation.
Although his physical wounds were minimal considering his proximity to the bomb, he has suffered loss of hearing caused by perforated ear drums, loss of confidence and vertigo.
He still suffers flashbacks every time he gets on a tube train and had to undergo regular consultations with psychologists.
Prof Tulloch said: 'I still haven't come to terms with travelling on the tube. So far I've only gone on them in company, but it's still a sweat-making experience.'
Robert Webb, from Caerphilly, whose sister Laura was killed in the Edgware Road blast, is backing Prof Tulloch's battle for compensation.
The Webb family are also still waiting for compensation. Mr Webb, a press officer for Cardiff council, said: 'I know claims are being processed but it does seem to be taking a while. I don't think it's right that these payments are taking so long.'
Fifty-two people were killed and 750 injured in the 7/7 attacks when terrorists set off bombs on London's underground system and a bus during morning rush-hour
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Ally Moderate Poster
Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 909 Location: banned
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Rachel On Gardening Leave
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 211
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Oh I can't wait to hear what HE says to you...!
have you no shame Ally? You think surviviors want to be pestered by people like you, with your abusive aggression, telling them they are liars? Telling him the man who bombed him was innocent?
And why is someone with left wing views who was feet away from a bomb who teaches sociology writing a book about 7/7 a 'sound' guy, whilst a lefty-liberal peace activist woman feet away from a bomb writing a blog about 7/7 is , and I quote '' a piece of *'', ''a liar ''and a shill?'
You really are dim sometimes. Abusive, aggressive and quite worrying, frankly. I do hope Professor Tulloch is not too polite to tell you where to shove your nasty little paraniod fantasises.
Everyone else, you might want to put a stop to Ally's ill-thought out attempt to upset and abuse yet another person who is lucky to be alive and who has the temerity to write about their experience...
I'm so glad I popped in to this site again. You are just as indescribable as I remembered, or at least Ally is.
Concentrate on 9/11, you'll piss off a lot fewer people who do not deserve to be trolled and pestered by the like s of you. You're on a losing game here. I suppose your silly board is fair enough, but when you start publishing the emails of sirvivors and talking about contacting them, then I lose patience and will point out that this is an * idea and an even more of an * thing to do. |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 3140 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Rachel
You can be quite abusive and aggressive yourself when the mood takes you.
You continue to misrepresent the views of those who post here. As far as i'm aware no one is declaring that the Leeds 4 are innocent, just that their guilt has not been proven either by the authorities or the media and that there are numerous questions about the events that need answering. But misrepresenting 'us' (as if we are a homogenous group) is what you do very well
Just to repeat myself, it is your unqualified presumption that the Leeds 4 are guilty is what many here have a problem with as has been frequently pointed out. And no one here that I'm aware of has been involved harrassing you or your family in any way beyond posting on the internet and challenging your position at public meetings
Rachel wrote: | Everyone else, you might want to put a stop to Ally's ill-thought out attempt to upset and abuse yet another person who is lucky to be alive and who has the temerity to write about their experience... |
1) You have no idea whether Ally will be abusive to Prof Tulloch. Given what he has written that seems unlikely.
2) I will merely repeat what I and others have posted here before: That in all our interests we should avoid being abusive of anyone even when engaging someone like yourself who deserves to be criticised in the strongest terms. Whether individuals choose to follow that advice is beyond the control of 'everyone else'.
Rachel wrote: | You really are dim sometimes..... your nasty little paraniod fantasises...... You are just as indescribable as I remembered, or at least Ally is....... You're on a losing game here.....your silly board ..... |
Yeah, yeah, whatever... shoo |
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alkmyst Moderate Poster
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 177 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: John Tulloch |
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Quote: | The invasion of Iraq may not have caused the bombings in any simple linear causality but when they chose to attack the US. London, Madrid, Australia - the allies - it's symbolic. These are not the acts of mindless murderers but strategic symbolic acts.
It is absolutely no co-incidence that what happened in London happened at the time of G8.
Far more than feeling angry withbthe bombers or angry about what has happened to me, I feel angry with the political leaders.
Professor John Tulloch.
As quoted by Milan Rai on page 123 - 7/7 The London Bombings Islam & the Iraq War. |
This quote is actually the most astute observation in Milan Rai's recent release. However, one assumes that this was inserted without consultation with Milan Rai as there is no other reference to the G8 conference in the entire book!
John Tulloch is undoubtedly an astute individual but both Milan & Rachel seem completely incapable of comprehending what he is actually saying!
We are so looking forward to the publication of the narrative but we really don't need to be sidetracked; consequently, I remind Badger that she has stated that she will no longer waste her energy by engaging the 'conspiraloons'. I don't think that we are in any doubt about her perception as to what transpired on 7/7 and there is little value in repetition of the same old tired stuff that has taken up so many keyboard strokes.
By the way Badger, a recent analysis of your Blog statistics indicates that outside of KCU, a few BBC and other media hacks, friends & family, the 7/7 Truth Community and a few waifs and strays ... that pretty much accounts for the 400 or so hits that your blog gets each day.
The bottom line is that your blog is read by a very small community and those of us from the 7/7 Community who have endeavoured to engage with you over the past four months readily acknowledge your contribution in forcing us to check, re-check and check again the evidence (or lack of) supporting the official account of 7/7. Without your presence, there is every possibility that we might not have been quite so prepared to respond to the Government Narrative. For that we thank you.
By the way, I was out this evening so I don't know the result of The Apprentice...did you win?
That was a rhetorical question....now shoo
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Ally Moderate Poster
Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 909 Location: banned
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Rachel wrote: | Oh I can't wait to hear what HE says to you...!
have you no shame Ally? blahblahblabh.... I lose patience and will point out that this is an * idea and an even more of an * thing to do. |
More slander from the government's lacky, must be on the right track. I hope Tulloch corresponds....
Quote: | Dear Mr Tulloch, I'm writing to you regarding an article I read in the South Wales Echo regarding your terrible experience on 7/7 and the fact you were now planning to write a book on the subject. I have some questions I'd like to ask and I hope not to offend you by asking them.
I have followed the case since the story broke as I work as a news transcriber so get to follow closely what is going on and I have been very disturbed by the things I've learned about and the extent of media complicity in not fully investigating what occured on 7/7. The Echo report seems to imply that you were sitting across from Khan on the tube. Did you actually see him across from you?
I hope you are willing to correspond with me on the subject as I believe we can learn from each other about what happened that awful day.
Yours Sincerely
Ally Graham |
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HERA Validated Poster
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 141
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: WE SEEM TO HAVE SOME "SUICIDE BOMBER"-PUSHERS IN O |
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Getting back to reality
JULY 7th 2005, London
YOU KNOW THE FANTASY
FOUR BOMBERS PHOTOGRAPHED OUTSIDE LUTON STATION, ON THEIR WAY TO CATCH
THE 07.40 TRAIN TO LONDON, THEN TO COMMIT SUICIDE AND MURDER.
TRY THE REALITY
The photograph - “taken from the” non-existent “CCTV footage” - is a poor quality fake with the four “Photoshopped in”: white-hat-man has been particularly-badly added with his body in front of the railings and half of his face and lower left arm behind the rails : the rail sections, either side of the phantom, do not align : there are rain puddles: the area was dry at the time : on a busy day for Luton station, no-one else is in the photo ..
The July 7 05 : 07.40 : Luton to London train was cancelled. The next train to London, the 07.48, arrived at London King’s Cross at 08.42: seven minutes before and miles away from the detonations of the first explosives on the rail tracks.
As the cancellation could not have been foreseen and with it being far too late to alter the plans, the police released the pre-prepared “four suicide bombers took the 07.40 train” etc. statement.
The London Underground - entrances, platforms, carriages, escalators - has saturation CCTV coverage. No footage showed any evidence of any “suicide bombers”
Tony Blair, with remarkable speed, announced that he would not order any Public Inquiry.
Eye-witness reports tell of the explosions on the Underground being on the rail-tracks : effectively ruling out any external party involvement.
“The policeman said ‘mind that hole, that’s where the bomb was’. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don’t remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag,”
" I knew it was a bomb. … . A second later and the explosion would have punched a hole in our carriage. …our driver … opened the outer door and looked at the track ahead. There were huge pieces of metal which had been ripped out of their rivets lying about.”
“ … there was a woman .. who was on her back, trapped in the metal WHICH HAD TWISTED UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE CARRIAGE. The roof was still on but the lining of the carriage had been blown off … there was a big hole in the middle of the floor.” POLICE WOMAN Lizzie Kenworthy.
“An Israeli security firm has been chosen to provide security for London’s Underground train network. ... Verint Systems, ... Israeli security companies are usually manned by Shinbet or Mossad ex-agents. ..” 21 9 04
The announcement that it was, obviously, military explosives that were used, was quickly changed to “home made” : then followed farcical raids on “home-made-bomb-factory-houses” in Yorkshire.
Stagecoach employees have reported that the no. 30 bus - the one which had the explosive device under the top-deck back-seat - was the only bus diverted after the tube explosions .
The previous Saturday, a maintenance group, previously unknown to the depot crew, spent “20 hours” “on CCTV maintenance” on that bus ; an unheard-of length of time for that task.
There has never been any evidence, whatsover, linking
the explosions with Islam or the mythical “Al Qaeda”.
On July 21, a “failed suicide bomber” stunt was set up. This had two main purposes : to fix in the minds of the gullible that “home-made explosives” had been used on July 7 and to facilitate the execution of the Brazilian contract electrician, Charles de Menezes, who probably had inside knowledge of the placing of the devices and/or the electrical surge - reported by witnesses - which triggered them.
After 8 weeks and with the “suicide bombers” story falling further apart, the BBC Arabic Service, Al Jazeera, broadcast a “suicide bomber” video ; an infantile fake, parotted, uncritically, by the media.
The police/BBC later came up with a “bomber reconnoitre” video and more Al Qaeda claims.
UNDERSTANDABLY, THE STATE CORPORATE MEDIA HAS PLAYED THE
CRITICAL ROLE IN PROTECTING THE GUILTY WHILST BLAMING THE INNOCENT.
Following on from their Panorama programme and constant news items, on Oct 28, BBC 2 TV Horizon reinforced the Islamic suicide bomber fable - including the Photoshop Four photograph : the programme came to us courtesy of Ariel Merari of Tel Aviv University, Marc Sageman, producer/director Alicky Sussman and editor Andrew Cohen. ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 have all kept up the charade.
ALL of the major UK Press and television organisations
were made aware of the facts in August 2005.
Blair again announced, in December, that he would resist all calls for a public inquiry .
Alex Carlile, fully aware of the reality of the situation and especially chosen by Blair to head the review of the U.K. “terrorist” policy, declared, in January, 2006, that we could expect “more” “suicide bombers.”
It is not corruption which brings down a society :
it is the acceptance of corruption.
If this is allowed to stand we are looking into the abyss.
WWW.LONDON77TRUTH.COM
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johnnyhotshots Minor Poster
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Martin Conner Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently, the same is true for 9-11 in New York. _________________ In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.
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