Entrapped Gary McKinnon faces extradition to US

[Annie]

A worrying extradition case. McKinnon hacked into all sorts of US military systems, and is now fighting extradition to the States. The intriguing part is at the bottom of this write-up, where he mentions 911. I wonder if he discovered anything....

Annie

Profile: Gary McKinnon
By Clark Boyd
Technology correspondent

A decision is expected soon in the case to extradite Gary Mckinnon to the US to face hacking charges. Here the BBC News website profiles the hacker, his history and his motives.

The US alleges Mr McKinnon attacked sites soon after 9/11
To hear the US government tell it, Gary McKinnon is a dangerous man, and should be extradited back to America to stand trial in a Virginia courtroom.
One US prosecutor has accused him of committing "the biggest military computer hack of all time".
If extradited, Mr McKinnon could face decades in US jail, and fines of close to $2m.
'Bumbling nerd'
The charges against Mr McKinnon are extensive.
The US government alleges that between February 2001 and March 2002, the 40-year-old computer enthusiast from North London hacked into dozens of US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Department of Defense computers, as well as 16 Nasa computers.
It says his hacking caused some $700,000 dollars worth of damage to government systems.
What's more, they allege that Mr McKinnon altered and deleted files at a US Naval Air Station not long after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 and that the attack rendered critical systems inoperable.
The US government also says Mr McKinnon once took down an entire network of 2,000 US Army computers. His goal, they claim, was to access classified information.
In July 2005, Mark Summers, another official representing the US government, told a London court that Mr McKinnon's hacking was "intentional and calculated to influence and affect the US government by intimidation and coercion".



'Hacker' extradition case reopens

But Gary McKinnon, or Solo as he was known online, paints a very different picture of himself, and his motivation. In a BBC interview last summer, Mr McKinnon said that he was not a malicious hacker bent on bringing down US military systems, but rather more of a "bumbling computer nerd".
He said he's no web vandal, or virus writer, and that he never acted with malicious intent.
But he did admit that he hacked into dozens of US government computer systems. In fact, he calmly detailed just how easy it was to access extremely sensitive information in those systems.
"I found out that the US military use Windows," said Mr McKinnon in that BBC interview. "And having realised this, I assumed it would probably be an easy hack if they hadn't secured it properly."
Using commercially available software, Mr McKinnon probed dozens of US military and government networks. He found many machines without adequate password or firewall protection. So, he simply hacked into them.
UFO search
But for some, his method of hacking is not nearly so interesting as his reason for doing it.
Mr McKinnon got his first computer when he was 14 years old, and has been a hobbyist ever since. He left school at 17, and became a hairdresser. But, in the early 1990s, some friends convinced him to get a qualification in computers. After completing a course, he started doing contract work in the computing field.
By the late 1990s, Mr McKinnon decided to use his hacking skills to do what he calls "research" on an issue he firmly believes in. Mr McKinnon told the BBC that he is convinced that the United States government is withholding critical information about Unidentified Flying Objects.
"It wasn't just an interest in little green men and flying saucers," said Mr McKinnon. "I believe that there are spacecraft, or there have been craft, flying around that the public doesn't know about."
Mr McKinnon further explained that he believes the US military has reverse engineered an anti-gravity propulsion system from recovered alien spacecraft, and that this propulsion system is being kept a secret.

The US alleges that Mr McKinnon attack the base at Fort Meyer
In that sense, Mr McKinnon said he sees his own hacking as "humanitarian." He said he only wanted to find evidence of a UFO cover-up and expose it. He called the alleged anti-gravity propulsion system "extra-terrestrial technology we should have access to".
"I wanted to find out why this is being kept a secret when it could be put to good use," he said in the BBC interview last year.
Gary McKinnon's search turned into an obsession, an addiction. As he probed high-level computer systems in the United States, his life in Britain fell apart. He lost his job, and his girlfriend dumped him. Friends told him to stop hacking, but to no avail.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4715612.stm

"I found a list of officers' names," he claims, "under the heading 'Non-Terrestrial Officers'."
"Non-Terrestrial Officers?" I say.
"Yeah, I looked it up," says Gary, "and it's nowhere. It doesn't mean little green men. What I think it means is not earth-based. I found a list of 'fleet-to-fleet transfers', and a list of ship names. I looked them up. They weren't US navy ships. What I saw made me believe they have some kind of spaceship, off-planet."
"The Americans have a secret spaceship?" I ask.
"That's what this trickle of evidence has led me to believe."
"Some kind of other Mir that nobody knows about?"
"I guess so," says Gary.


Darpa is the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency, an intriguing collection of brilliant military scientists, funded by the Pentagon. Darpa has been widely credited with inventing, among other things, the internet, the global positioning system, the computer mouse, and - somewhat more boneheadedly - FutureMAP, an online futures market designed to predict assassinations and bombings by encouraging investor speculation in such crimes. The US Senate once described FutureMAP as "an unbelievably stupid idea". Darpa has long been of interest to conspiracy theorists because it is semi-secretive, bizarre (they have put much effort into creating a team of telepathic spies) and occupies that murky world that lies between science and war.
Gary heard from a friend that Darpa might have invented a robot soldier, so he hacked in and claims he found evidence of "an autonomous machine that would go in and do the dirty work. These things could go upstairs and look for bombs. You wouldn't have to send in real people. And I also found these awful special forces training videos of guys running around, doing close-quarter battle. It was ridiculous. These yellow words would flash on to the video: 'BRUTALITY! REMEMBER BRUTALITY! SHOCK! DOMINATION!' You're thinking, 'Oh my God!' It was like Batman." I tell Gary that I've seen videos like that - incredibly fierce special forces training videos - when I was researching my book about US psychological operations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1523143,00.html

Was your main motivation the search for extraterrestrials?
McKinnon: That is how it started off, and it then grew into suspicions about 9/11, because there are hundreds of unanswered questions about 9/11: the dragging away of all the forensics evidence, and the sale of all the concrete and steel to China. Even the firemen of New York organized their own Web site to complain that this isn't a proper process. Then there are the schools for terrorists run by America to help Latin-American dictatorships and stuff.
http://news.com.com/Gary+McKinnon+Scapegoat+or+public+enemy+-+page+2/2 008-7350_3-5786782-2.html

[andyb]

bad news on the ruling today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4757375.stm

[foliagecop]

Very bad news. Talk about 'setting an example'. And for what? McKinnon says he was merely seeking information on free energy and free energy devices, all reputedly recovered from crafts of extraterrestrial origin.

I wholeheartedly agree with what he's done, if that was the reason behind it. This kind of information, of course, is of global importance, and should be made available to all. But I've a feeling it's going to be used against him in a 'kook' claim. The old 'demonise the enemy' trick, in this instance by making out to be totally cuckoo.

The US reaction really does seem OTT though. Yes, he exploited huge gaps in US computer systems, but ... IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT! They claim he compromised security, but how could he when there was practically no security in the first place? He didn't hurt anyone, he didn't steal anything. Hell, he's been banned from the Internet. Isn't that punishment enough??

There are so many issues at stake here: hacking, extradition, UFOs, repressed science, military incompetence, US bullying, the list goes on. If the US really wants the problem solved, the answer doesn't lie with jailing McKinnon. It lies with them being less lax in security matters.

But then, of course, they have a history of being 'lax', and of making 'mistakes', and of there being 'errors of judgement'. Just look at any decent 9/11 truth site (in particular alex jones' www.infowars.com). And the purpose of this constant official fouling-up? Well, a lot of people would argue it's to set up the need - quickly followed by the implementation - of a total police state. And it's a pretty strong argument.

[ian neal]

Site supporting Gary

http://freegary.org.uk/

Kenyon, one of the London campaigners has been following this case along with other dodgy extradition cases.

In Gary's case, the alleged crime was commited in the UK and so any trial should be in the UK. Outrageous

[Andrew Johnson]

The NASA person that he refers to who was giving her testimony that Photos were being airbrushed is Donna Hare. Her testimony is here

http://www.checktheevidence.com/Misc/15-Donna%20Hare.wmv

(it freezes for a few seconds at 1st)

Much more at:

www.disclosureproject.org

[John White]

[John White]

Woops! Debug Mode double post

[xmasdale]

Due to a treaty signed with the US government by former UK Home Secretary David Blunkett, the US may now extradite to the US any resident or citizen of the UK without presenting evidence in a UK court of law. This is a one sided treaty. If the UK wants to extradite someone from the US it must present evidence in US courts.

The case of Gary McKinnon is a test case. His alleged crime is hacking into a Pentagon computer and for that he could be sentenced to 90 years in a US jail. If this case and other current cases succeed the US will be able to extradite anyone they want on mere "suspicion" of involvement in crime. That could apply to truth activists, Muslims, peace activists, left wingers etc.

Remember this addage:

First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller

---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------E-mail from Gary's parents:

From Janis & Wilson (Gary's parents.)

Subject: Gary McKinnon. Pledge to oppose Gary's proposed extradition to the United States.

We are very afraid that our son Gary might be extradited to the United States to face a possible seventy years in a US prison for computer misuse/trespassing into Pentagon/military computers four years ago.
Gary was originally questioned by the UK police four years ago; they told him that he would face six months community service but in the end the UK police decided not to prosecute Gary and he was released without charge.

Gary was arrested by UK police on behalf of America in 2005 (more than three years later) and now some four years after the event the US want to extradite Gary where he will face a possible seventy year sentence.

Thank you to everyone who is supporting Gary and all messages of support have been greatly appreciated by him, especially when he has been feeling a bit down. Gary's bail conditions prevent him from using the internet but he wanted to thank everyone who took the time to send an email of support as it has meant a great deal to him.


We're writing to everyone to ask for your help in helping Gary.

We would be incredibly grateful if you could please sign the pledge (link at bottom of the page) to write to the Home Secretary to voice your opinion against the proposed extradition of Gary (McKinnon) to the US.
Gary is facing seventy years in an American prison for computer misuse. There were blank passwords and no firewall protecting the computers belonging to the government of the worlds superpower.

Gary is a kind and gentle musician who has acted in and composed music for the film Lunar Girl. He is not a malicious hacker and does not have any superior computer knowledge which was very basic at the time of the incident which was four years ago.
He admits he trespassed out of curiosity but he did not break in as there were no locks, no passwords (no security)

It is a reflection of our world when people who murder, rape and abuse children get sentences from as little as six months.

Our UK government/home secretary recently released hundreds of criminals including rapists and murderers from abroad, some of whom have very recently committed murder again in the UK, yet our government wants to send Gary to America to face seventy years in jail for a computer hacking offence.

We need all the help we can get and every signature will be greatly appreciated. If you could also actually write to John Reed, the Home Secretary voicing your opposition to Gary's proposed extradition, that would be the best of all and would be greatly appreciated but please sign the pledge.

If everyone who signs the pledge below, could also add emails of friends who may sign that would also be incredibly helpful. These emails will only be used for this purpose and for no other.

All support would be gratefully appreciated

Kindest Regards

Gary's parents
http://www.pledgebank.com/FreeGary

http://FreeGary.org.uk

www.lunargirl.com

[Hazzard]

People just refuse to snap out of it.

It seems TV and Larger is far more important than freedom.

[paul wright]

Gary is a good guy who deserves our utmost support
What can we do besides sign a worthless petition
The support of our US activist friends needs enlisting on this one

[Annie]

ROCK ON GARY!!
www.disclosureproject.org and www.freegary.org.uk

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4977134.stm


Hacker fears 'UFO cover-up'
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

Watch the interview

In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK's national high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into Nasa and the US military computer networks.
He says he spent two years looking for photographic evidence of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology.

America now wants to put him on trial, and if tried there he could face 60 years behind bars.

Banned from using the internet, Gary spoke to Click presenter Spencer Kelly to tell his side of the story, ahead of his extradition hearing on Wednesday, 10 May. You can read what he had to say here.


Spencer Kelly: Here's your list of charges: you hacked into the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Department of Defense, and Nasa, amongst other things. Why?

Gary McKinnon: I was in search of suppressed technology, laughingly referred to as UFO technology. I think it's the biggest kept secret in the world because of its comic value, but it's a very important thing.

Old-age pensioners can't pay their fuel bills, countries are invaded to award oil contracts to the West, and meanwhile secretive parts of the secret government are sitting on suppressed technology for free energy.

SK: How did you go about trying to find the stuff you were looking for in Nasa, in the Department of Defense?

GM: Unlike the press would have you believe, it wasn't very clever. I searched for blank passwords, I wrote a tiny Perl script that tied together other people's programs that search for blank passwords, so you could scan 65,000 machines in just over eight minutes.

SK: So you're saying that you found computers which had a high-ranking status, administrator status, which hadn't had their passwords set - they were still set to default?

GM: Yes, precisely.

SK: Were you the only hacker to make it past the slightly lower-than-expected lines of defence?

GM: Yes, exactly, there were no lines of defence. There was a permanent tenancy of foreign hackers. You could run a command when you were on the machine that showed connections from all over the world, check the IP address to see if it was another military base or whatever, and it wasn't.

The General Accounting Office in America has again published another damning report saying that federal security is very, very poor.

SK: Over what kind of period were you hacking into these computers? Was it a one-time only, or for the course of a week?


GM: Oh no, it was a couple of years.
SK: And you went unnoticed for a couple of years?

GM: Oh yes. I used to be careful about the hours.

SK: So you would log on in the middle of the night, say?

GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.

SK: So what did he say? And what did you say?

GM: He said "What are you doing?" which was a bit shocking. I told him I was from Military Computer Security, which he fully believed.

SK: Did you find what you were looking for?

GM: Yes.

SK: Tell us about it.

GM: There was a group called the Disclosure Project. They published a book which had 400 expert witnesses ranging from civilian air traffic controllers, through military radar operators, right up to the chaps who were responsible for whether or not to launch nuclear missiles.

They are some very credible, relied upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extra-terrestrial in origin, and we've captured spacecraft and reverse-engineered it.

SK: What did you find inside Nasa?

GM: One of these people was a Nasa photographic expert, and she said that in building eight of Johnson Space Centre they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. What she said was there was there: there were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that.

I got one picture out of the folder, and bearing in mind this is a 56k dial-up, so a very slow internet connection, in dial-up days, using the remote control programme I turned the colour down to 4bit colour and the screen resolution really, really low, and even then the picture was still juddering as it came onto the screen.

But what came on to the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made.

It was above the Earth's hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up.

This thing was hanging in space, the earth's hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing.

SK: Is it possible this is an artist's impression?

GM: I don't know... For me, it was more than a coincidence. This woman has said: "This is what happens, in this building, in this space centre". I went into that building, that space centre, and saw exactly that.

SK: Do you have a copy of this? It came down to your machine.

GM: No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.

SK: So did you get the one frame?

GM: No.

SK: What happened?

GM: Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared.

SK: You were actually cut off the time you were downloading the picture?

GM: Yes, I saw the guy's hand move across.

SK: You acknowledge that what you did was against the law, it was wrong, don't you?

GM: Unauthorised access is against the law and it is wrong.

SK: What do you think is a suitable punishment for someone who did what you did?

GM: Firstly, because of what I was looking for, I think I was morally correct. Even though I regret it now, I think the free energy technology should be publicly available.

I want to be tried in my own country, under the Computer Misuse Act, and I want evidence brought forward, or at least want the Americans to have to provide evidence in order to extradite me, because I know there is no evidence of damage.


Nasa told Click that it does not discuss computer security issues or legal matters. It denied it would ever manipulate images in order to deceive and said it had a policy of open and full disclosure, adding it had no direct evidence of extra-terrestrial life.

[Andrew Johnson]

We had a meeting with Gary last week, which I think was useful for him.

I sent this round to my mailing list and mailed + Faxed John Reid + David Burrowes + a few of the local officials with the enclosed letter (with only my name on it). More information about Gary's case can be found using these links:

 

http://www.spy.org.uk/freegary

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4758743.stm 

http://schmoontherun.blogspot.com/2006/05/gary-mckinnon-british-court- sacrifices.html

 2 interviews with Gary:

 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/Gary%20Mckinnon%20Interview%20B BC%20World%20Service,%20Sat%2023rd%20July%202005%20-%2011am.mp3

 http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/Gary%20McKinnon%20Interview%20- %20BBC%20-%2005%20May%202006.wmv

 

 Please use the information below to point this out to the UK home secretary and anyone else you think should listen. I have included the letter I sent.

Home Secretary (Constituency Fax: 01236 748666)

e-mail: reidj@parliament.uk

 

Use this page to e-mail his local representatives:

 http://www.writetothem.com/who?pc=N13+4NN

 

Contact Amnesty International (UK) and ask them to support Gary:

 

iar@amnesty.org.uk

 

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Dear Mr Reid,

 

I am writing with regard to the proposed extradition of British Citizen Gary McKinnon for offences related to computer mis-use (hacking) in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s.

 

I must ask you to overrule Judge Nicholas Evans’s decision of 10^th May 2006 to allow extradition. There are a number of grounds on which the only sensible course of action should be judged:

 

1)      As far as I am aware, the extradition treaty between the UK and the USA has not been ratified by the US Congress and therefore should not be binding (we are therefore not obliged to allow the extradition).

2)      Gary has confessed to a crime and should be prosecuted on this basis – in this country. It would seem that his prosecution has not been carried forward, so that the extradition treaty (void though it is) would seem to allow his extradition (i.e., if I interpret the treaty correctly, if a defendant has been prosecuted for a crime, he cannot be extradited for it). It is a complete mystery why the CPS has not moved forward with the prosecution and this in itself should be the subject of an investigation.

3)      Gary was originally arrested in 2002 and it was said at the time he would face something like 6 months community service. Following a trip to the USA by Police, this “suddenly” became a much longer sentence.

4)      Gary has already been “strung along” by the system for the last 4 years – even though he has confessed to his crime. This should count already as a “suspended sentence”.

5)      As far as I am aware, the prosecution have produced no tangible evidence of the damage he caused.

6)      Gary has disclosed the methods he used to obtain access to the systems concerned. What he did was akin to walking around a neighbourhood, looking for open doors and windows (which he found) and then going in and having a look around inside. Of course, this can be viewed as a type of trespassing – so why does this attract such a stiff sentence?

7)      There are Human Rights laws to be considered here – and as such, I have sent a copy of this letter to Amnesty International, whom I hope will offer some input into this matter.

8)      He has clearly stated what his intentions were and it seems to me that there should be much stronger indications that Gary’s intent was malicious before extradition was allowed. From my own research (which has been ongoing for perhaps a period of 10 years), I know, through expert witness testimony, that what Gary says he found does indeed exist. (And it is this that should be the subject of a criminal prosecution, not Gary).

 

So, when you have considered these 8 points, I hope that you will realise that allowing extradition would basically mean you are happy to:

 

1)      See a punishment which does not fit the crime.

2)      Disregard Human Rights.

3)      Essentially break the law to allow extradition to take place.

4)      Make a decision which is likely to make the Blair government unpopular – based on the way it bows to significant US pressure on a case which, for some reason (let’s take a wild guess), it regards as significant.

 

Please make the correct decision – for Gary’s sake, the sake of the law, national sovereignty and human rights. Regardless of what decision you make, however, the campaign for justice for Gary will continue – of that, you, and the US authorities can be strongly assured.

 

Yours Most Sincerely,

Andrew Johnson

_________________
Andrew

Ask the Tough Questions, Folks!

[paul wright]

And for those of us who cannot even bear to draft or even copy an email to a horrendous heartless murdering scumbag like Reid
I can no longer petition soulless nietzschien nazis like this however my heart calls out for Gary and his plight
Reid is a parasite the population needs rid of

[Andrew Johnson]

I would be surprised if Reid does NOT approve the extradition. All I can tell you is, the last parapgraph I wrote is not just empty words.

Your comments re John Reid make sense to me. I know little about him - except to say he reminds me (even though he is Scottish) of Father Jack from "Father Ted" - "Drink! *! Ar-se!"

[paul wright]

[ian neal]

Can I urge people to join me in writing a quick representation to the Home Secretary as suggested by George from FreeGary.

Many thanks

Hello, and thank you for signing our successful pledge!

'I, George, will Make a Representation to the Home Secretary on
behalf of Gary McKinnon but only if 10 United Kingdom voters
will do likewise.'

Thankyou to everyone who signed this pledge, promising to make
a Representation to the Home Secretary on behalf of Gary
McKinnon, so that he is not unfairly extradited to the USA, but
has the chance to be tried properly in a British Court of Law.

The Extradition Act 2003 specifies 6 weeks as the period from
the Qualifying Date i.e. from Wednesday 10th May when Gary last
appeared at his last Extradition Hearing (not a trial) at Bow
Street Magistrates' Court, after which time the Home Secretary
is no longer obliged by law to take any Representations into
consideration. He has up to 2 months to make his decision, so
any Represenations made after this 6 week period may either be
too late i.e. the decision will have been made, or, given how
busy the Home Secretary is at the moment, they will almost
certainly be ignored.

Please send any Representations to reach the Home Office by
Wednesday June 21st 2006.

Realistically this means that letters should be posted no later
than Monday 19th June.

What is a "Representation" ? It can be a simple one line
letter or email saying "Please do not let Gary McKinnon be
extradited to the USA", or it can be lengthy and detailed legal
arguments about the inequality of the the current UK-US
extradition arrangements, British sovereignty, and
proportionate natural justice etc. It is up to you - a hundred
letters in people's own words carry more weight than a form
letter signed by a thousand.

You can send an email or a letter to:

Home Secretary Rt Hon. John Reid MP
c/o Direct Communications Unit
Home Office
2 Marsham Street
London SW1P 4DF

email: public.enquiries@homeoffice.gov.uk

website: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk

Although this is the 21st Century, letters by post still seem
to literally carry more weight, with civil servants and
politicians, than emails do.

If you do send an email, rememeber to check the Read Receipt
option in your email software if you can.

Your name and address on the letter or email will help to
convince the civil servants who will be filtering these, that
you are serious, although if you feel intimidated by the Home
Office, at least your first name and town or city would be
better than an
unsigned letter.

If you do get any interesting replies to your letters, please
forward the details to the FreeGary.org.uk website for
publication (without personal details) so that people can see
whether the Home Office are taking this case seriously or not.

More details and background to the case at:

http://FreeGary.org.uk

email: info@FreeGary.org.uk

Yours sincerely,

George

[ian neal]

Interview with Gary

http://www.unknowncountry.com/media/?clip=58

[ian neal]

Sign this petition

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/GaryMcKinnon/

Let's make this huge. Gary's extradition is outrageous. The day I can demand George W's extradition to face justice here is the day I accept Gary's extradition.

As Noel says

Remember this addage:

[Thermate]

[Mark Gobell]

The tea leaves don't look so good on this one.

The UK Extradition Act 2003 was signed by Blunkett and the US Attorney General, Tom Ashcroft on 31 March 2003, 3 years and 3 months into the new century.

On US independence day, (how sick) Reid authorises the extradition of Gary McKinnon on 4.7.2006

An interval of 1190 days or, 3 years, 3 months and 3 days.

The UK Extradition Act 2003 was effectively ratified when Blunkett designated the category 2 countries to which UK citizens can be extradicted from the UK on the basis of "information" - rather than actual "evidence" - to the US and another 107 countries.

Blunkett signed Statutory Instrument 2003 No. 3334 on 1st Jan 2004, exactly 9 months and 1 day after he signed the treaty and 30 months, 3 weeks and 3 days after Bliar had begun his second term.

Reid's extradition authorisation came 30 months and 3 days later.

[ishaar]

I've met Gary a few times, he's a nice bloke and I think if you watch any interviews he's had you will agree his straightforward, no nonsense way of answering questions and debating his position shows his honesty.

The media isn't big on this as it would be impossible to demonise him, everyone would see an ordinary, polite, honest guy and wonder how is it possible he could be facing 50 years or so in a US jail. And ...for what?

The US case for extradition rest on the claim that Gary caused ' damage' to systems he hacked, (5000 USD per system) that is of course ridiculous, his actions hardly differed from a normal log in to a system.
Nothing was damaged. I hope a lot more people take this case on, it's a perfect example of the ongoing erosion of human rights.

keep ur chin up Gary!

[utopiated]

This is a side point but one worth making as a wider issue to do with 9/11 and those that assume they have the core truth.

On this forum the few people that decided they wanted to discuss No Planes ideas or possible use of hi-tech frequency weapons to bring down the 2 towers were virtually chased out this place for side-tracking "the movement" and putting off new researchers.

People wanted these discussions

a: barred from the forum
or
b: a seperate forum set up for these heretical research area [ie: same as 'a']

Gary Mckinnon found a couple of lots of evidence on his trips round the networks referring to 'Fleet to fleet transfers' and 'non-terrestrial officers'. He found a certain amount of ship names which when he checked were not related or linked to current naval sea going vessels. This leads us to consider the idea that gary had found more evidence of what some have been told for years. ie: that the current space program is a sideshow to keep the public abosorbed whilst another, totally seperate and covert/black system is actually operating out of sight of congress and public consciousness generally.

Add to this several quotes from Ben Rich, head of Lochheed Martin 'Skunkworks' as he was coming close to death:

"Anything you can imagine we've already done"
"We have stuff in these secure areas that would make George Lucas envious"

and you get an idea of just what's out there.

So really the idea of holograms or frequency weapons isn't something that's that mind-blowing.

Support Gary or become the next in line.

[chek]

[scubadiver]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6521255.stm

[Skeptic]

Oh no.

[karlos]

Any news on how Gary's appeal is going.
I dont want to speak out of turn and i know it might not be practical but is there any way he might consider changing solicitors?

I dont think his current ones KaimTodner are the best and i think he needs the absolute best ones for this type of case.

[rodin]

Is this Gary story for real or just another 'inflatable tank'?

[utopiated]

New interview points... Gary McKinnon

[utopiated]

Gary McKinnon update

Note: Babar Ahmad is accused of running websites supporting Chechen and Taliban rebels, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Gary McKinnon, whom has never advocated or supported violence or terrorism.

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[ishaar]

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