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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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cool i might not understand or see what others are telling me i should see
but if its case closed and 100% proof i carnt wait to hear how cnn responed etc, and how far it gets us.
whens the court case???
that is what will happen isnt it? or will it just mean posting the same stuff over and over and getting nowhere, 100% proof should be presented to the right people should'nt it??
ignore the general public that post on here including myself, we are just thick or agents and dont have a clue, good luck convincing the rest of the general public and being taken seriously by who ever you need to present it to.
seriously if theres something in this then i hope it makes ground, even though im not seeing the basis myself. i just hope your all right about it and can prove it, or it could turn very bad indeed in terms of getting another chance to inform the public who will certainly switch of if it turns out this is all imaginary evidence. |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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chek wrote: | david carmichael wrote: |
bsregistration DID INDEED very-closely approximate the supposed CNN Angle....
..and it proved CNN aired a fake video. |
Although to be strictly accurate, only to your satisfaction, not to anyone else's. |
John White has already crapped his panties, on that topic ..m'wee bairn!
You couldna' come up with a camera angle/distance displacemnet.
Chek...do you think the US Government is going to be able to provide the White Pine County Commissioners with the camer angle/distance displacement that you all have been unable to provide? |
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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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I fear I may have spoken too soon.
The CNN shot may have been taken from a tour boat just off shore. I noticed that the angles of the buildings and the trees did not match from the land view, specifically the square tower behind the Whithall building and the Black building , which is noticeably higher in the CNN shot.
I am really sorry as it is an excellent video. |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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andyb wrote: | david carmichael wrote: | Quote: | what are these first two lies, I'm intrigued!! |
Two things the US Government and US news media could NEVER, EVER admit to...
Two of the most horrific acts imaginable... as bad as 9/11 was... one of these acts WAS SO terrible and about to come unraveled THAT THEY were left with only one choice...
..the US Government had to start murdering people including an appointed government investigator who refused to be bullied.
The US Government had no choice in the matter...they had to start murdering people;things were unraveling at break-neck speed |
What are the two lies though? Also, who was the appointed government investigator? |
You're going to justtt love it when you find out, Andy B.
When I post my welcoming thread to the people of White Pine County and Weeks Island, Louisiana to introduce them to Ian Neal and John White....
..immediately after showing them the JREF Forum.
They'll have already seen TWO crimes not exposed by the News Media and this will be the third....
Seeing John White after getting a load of the JREF people should be quite interesting...and it'll all be done in Ian Neal's presence.
Andy B...do you think the US Government and CNN are going to be able to do a better job at providing the camera angle/distance displacement than you have all been? |
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John White Site Admin
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andrewwatson wrote: | I fear I may have spoken too soon.
The CNN shot may have been taken from a tour boat just off shore. I noticed that the angles of the buildings and the trees did not match from the land view, specifically the square tower behind the Whithall building and the Black building , which is noticeably higher in the CNN shot.
I am really sorry as it is an excellent video. |
Well done that man! _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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chek Mega Poster
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andrewwatson wrote: | I fear I may have spoken too soon.
The CNN shot may have been taken from a tour boat just off shore. I noticed that the angles of the buildings and the trees did not match from the land view, specifically the square tower behind the Whithall building and the Black building , which is noticeably higher in the CNN shot.
I am really sorry as it is an excellent video. |
It's that old presentation/content balance at work Andrew.
As Marky points out, you can't make yourself see what isn't there; or at least we shouldn't ... _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
It's them or us. |
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chek Mega Poster
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david carmichael wrote: | chek wrote: | david carmichael wrote: |
bsregistration DID INDEED very-closely approximate the supposed CNN Angle....
..and it proved CNN aired a fake video. |
Although to be strictly accurate, only to your satisfaction, not to anyone else's. |
John White has already crapped his panties, on that topic ..m'wee bairn!
You couldna' come up with a camera angle/distance displacemnet.
Chek...do you think the US Government is going to be able to provide the White Pine County Commissioners with the camer angle/distance displacement that you all have been unable to provide? |
I think you may have misunderstood some of our Brit idioms David.
The only danger John's undergarments may have been in was from laughing too hard.
Regarding your current TV fakery magnum opus, I'd also seriously recommend getting professional assistance.
In every sense. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
It's them or us. |
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andyb Validated Poster
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david carmichael wrote: | andyb wrote: | david carmichael wrote: | Quote: | what are these first two lies, I'm intrigued!! |
Two things the US Government and US news media could NEVER, EVER admit to...
Two of the most horrific acts imaginable... as bad as 9/11 was... one of these acts WAS SO terrible and about to come unraveled THAT THEY were left with only one choice...
..the US Government had to start murdering people including an appointed government investigator who refused to be bullied.
The US Government had no choice in the matter...they had to start murdering people;things were unraveling at break-neck speed |
What are the two lies though? Also, who was the appointed government investigator? |
You're going to justtt love it when you find out, Andy B.
When I post my welcoming thread to the people of White Pine County and Weeks Island, Louisiana to introduce them to Ian Neal and John White....
..immediately after showing them the JREF Forum.
They'll have already seen TWO crimes not exposed by the News Media and this will be the third....
Seeing John White after getting a load of the JREF people should be quite interesting...and it'll all be done in Ian Neal's presence.
Andy B...do you think the US Government and CNN are going to be able to do a better job at providing the camera angle/distance displacement than you have all been? |
what are the two crimes?
Also, how are we, in the UK, supposed to line a shot up in New York???? Try Luke _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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the camera man could of been squatting, or standing on a bench or even sitting on the floor which would all effect the prespective, has on the river been explored like suggested above or even standing on the opposite side of the river?
out of intrest have all these things been explored and eliminated as possibilites, and would it be admitted honestly if something does turn out to match the cnn news footage rather than denied through not wanting to be embarrased or feeling stupid etc? |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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andrewwatson wrote: | I fear I may have spoken too soon.
The CNN shot may have been taken from a tour boat just off shore. I noticed that the angles of the buildings and the trees did not match from the land view, specifically the square tower behind the Whithall building and the Black building , which is noticeably higher in the CNN shot.
I am really sorry as it is an excellent video. |
Stefan's argument would have been that the CAMERA DISTANCE was not forward enough SO THAT the trees were blocking the Rector St Building
Sorry,...that does not work either...it was raised earlier at You Tube IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tall building camera angle was annihilated.
A tour boat or ferry would show the lamp post...REMEMBER...
we need to MOVE FORWARD to correctly omit the lamp post AS the CNN Video does omit the lamp post.
Also...now the trees would NO LONGER block the view of the 19 Rector Street Building the further back you move.
1) No lamp post in CNN Video...
2) No Rector St. Building in CNN Video
The "tour boat", ferry, and "water taxi" are disposed of here... Rector Street can be seen clearly...and look at those trees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4nPfg-zM6c
Swing and a miss!
Look at John White, though grasping at straws... the moderator who was down on all fours squealing like a wee stuck pig..."Well done man!" |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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You do realise that bsregistration is now pwned as a faker? _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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chek wrote: | david carmichael wrote: | chek wrote: | david carmichael wrote: |
bsregistration DID INDEED very-closely approximate the supposed CNN Angle....
..and it proved CNN aired a fake video. |
Although to be strictly accurate, only to your satisfaction, not to anyone else's. |
John White has already crapped his panties, on that topic ..m'wee bairn!
You couldna' come up with a camera angle/distance displacemnet.
Chek...do you think the US Government is going to be able to provide the White Pine County Commissioners with the camer angle/distance displacement that you all have been unable to provide? |
I think you may have misunderstood some of our Brit idioms David.
The only danger John's undergarments may have been in was from laughing too hard.
Regarding your current TV fakery magnum opus, I'd also seriously recommend getting professional assistance.
In every sense. |
So then the US Government and/or CNN are going to be able to provide the correct camera angle/distance displacement THAT YOU ALL here have been unable to provide, correct? |
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John White Site Admin
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I don't know how you are going to explain to the people of White Pine County and Weeks Island, Louisiana, that you've been taken in by a flim flam artist _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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John White wrote: | You do realise that bsregistration is now pwned as a faker? |
So the US Government and/or CNN are going to be able to provide the correct camera angle/distance displacement that you all have been unable to provide,correct?
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John White Site Admin
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De Nile is a river in egypt mate
I quite understand _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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John White wrote: | De Nile is a river in egypt mate
I quite understand |
Then provide the correct camera angle/distance displacement... It was YOU YOURSELF who stated, "totally different angle"...
..you should HAVE HAD absolutely no problem citing the movement of the camera in any distance OR axes to GIVE THE correct camera placement.
..and YET AGAIN, the US Government and/or CNN are going to be able to provide the correct camera angle/distance displacement that you have all been unable to provide, yes? |
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John White Site Admin
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But, of course david, you don't
Time to get honest with yourself: you'll be a better and far happier man for it _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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John White wrote: | But, of course david, you don't
Time to get honest with yourself: you'll be a better and far happier man for it |
so you're saying THAT the US Government and/or CNN are going to be able to provide the correct camera angle/distance displacement that you have all been unable to provide,correct? |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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Stefan Banned
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david carmichael wrote: |
Stefan's argument would have been that the CAMERA DISTANCE was not forward enough SO THAT the trees were blocking the Rector St Building. |
My position was that the two supposedly identical shots were different in every way.
I think my suggestion was that the camera man was further forward than the first set of taller trees looking up over the nearer trees, so that from that closer angle they blocked out the beige and black buildings. Except that you can still see the roof of the supposedly invisible building in that shot, as I pointed out.
Let's see if we can have a run down of the position.
The suggestion is that this CNN shot is proof that CNN digitally generated an entire city and got it wrong. Rather than just super imposing a plane onto an existing shot of the city, they made a computer generated new york from the ground up.
There main argument is why can't any of us, living in the UK only an expensive plane flight away from new york, cannot go and provide a better shot.
Fred claims to have tried every single angle of view and can't find the shot; despite the fact that every shot he comes up with is radically different from the CNN shot, and he doesn't even seem to be trying to find a similar one.
In a latest desperate attempt to "prove" he is right,(in an insecure video that names me personally, despite the fact I have spent only a few hours debating this before getting bored) Fred has used photoshop to manipulate images HIMSELF. Using trickery to prove trickery if you like.
And still, his supporters suggest that this, not any of the provable factual evidence, is the strongest card 9/11 Truth has in their hand, which is why it is so important they attack anyone who disagrees with them?
After that quick update, I'm off again, this is a topic that does not deserve three pages of discussion. _________________
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Stefan wrote: | david carmichael wrote: |
Stefan's argument would have been that the CAMERA DISTANCE was not forward enough SO THAT the trees were blocking the Rector St Building. |
My position was that the two supposedly identical shots were different in every way.
I think my suggestion was that the camera man was further forward than the first set of taller trees looking up over the nearer trees, so that from that closer angle they blocked out the beige and black buildings. Except that you can still see the roof of the supposedly invisible building in that shot, as I pointed out.
Let's see if we can have a run down of the position.
The suggestion is that this CNN shot is proof that CNN digitally generated an entire city and got it wrong. Rather than just super imposing a plane onto an existing shot of the city, they made a computer generated new york from the ground up.
There main argument is why can't any of us, living in the UK only an expensive plane flight away from new york, cannot go and provide a better shot.
Fred claims to have tried every single angle of view and can't find the shot; despite the fact that every shot he comes up with is radically different from the CNN shot, and he doesn't even seem to be trying to find a similar one.
In a latest desperate attempt to "prove" he is right,(in an insecure video that names me personally, despite the fact I have spent only a few hours debating this before getting bored) Fred has used photoshop to manipulate images HIMSELF. Using trickery to prove trickery if you like. |
I'm great with a critique of bsregistration's "work product"/"intellectual dishonesty".
Get all the bad stuff out as early as possible
Back to the CNN Video.
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And still, his supporters suggest that this, not any of the provable factual evidence, is the strongest card 9/11 Truth has in their hand, which is why it is so important they attack anyone who disagrees with them? |
So then the US Government and/or CNN is going to be able to provide the correct camera angle/distance displacement that you have all been unable to provide, correct?
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After that quick update, I'm off again, this is a topic that does not deserve three pages of discussion. |
Ohhh...is that why you are "off again"?...
...not fleeing from the words in your own post?
You're then telling ex-White Pine County Commissioner, Gary Perea that standing at the water's edge WHERE bsregistration shall guide him THAT HE WON'T get the same shot as bsregistration did...because of "trickery"? |
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Stefan Banned
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David,
I very much doubt that CNN or the Government are going to spend extensive effort on disproving the idea that CNN created their shots of New York on computer from the ground up, unless they start to see 9/11 Truth as a serious threat and want to discredit us that is.
You're doing a great job on their behalf by the way.
In your mind, David, why is it that CNN did not just superimpose a plane onto an existing shot of the twin towers? _________________
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John White Site Admin
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david carmicheal wrote: | I'm great with a critique of bsregistration's "work product"/"intellectual dishonesty". |
So you don't mind simply accepting that the guy whose video's you've been pimping here for the last week has been faking material to go in them, but want to just ignore the demolition of your entire argument and continue pretending it never happened by proclaiming your beleif that the CNN video must be fake, becuase you believe it as an article of faith, so there?
OK, gotta admit, thats certainly your style _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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david carmichael Moderate Poster
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andyb wrote: | david carmichael wrote: | andyb wrote: | david carmichael wrote: | Quote: | what are these first two lies, I'm intrigued!! |
Two things the US Government and US news media could NEVER, EVER admit to...
Two of the most horrific acts imaginable... as bad as 9/11 was... one of these acts WAS SO terrible and about to come unraveled THAT THEY were left with only one choice...
..the US Government had to start murdering people including an appointed government investigator who refused to be bullied.
The US Government had no choice in the matter...they had to start murdering people;things were unraveling at break-neck speed |
What are the two lies though? Also, who was the appointed government investigator? |
You're going to justtt love it when you find out, Andy B.
When I post my welcoming thread to the people of White Pine County and Weeks Island, Louisiana to introduce them to Ian Neal and John White....
..immediately after showing them the JREF Forum.
They'll have already seen TWO crimes not exposed by the News Media and this will be the third....
Seeing John White after getting a load of the JREF people should be quite interesting...and it'll all be done in Ian Neal's presence.
Andy B...do you think the US Government and CNN are going to be able to do a better job at providing the camera angle/distance displacement than you have all been? |
what are the two crimes? |
Two crimes which will have the ears perked of TWO entire communities....desperate communities in desperate straits... they'll be coming to this board CURIOUS TO see if the CNN Video fakery was real....
...wondering JUST WHAT ACTIONS IT IS that they must take to have the US Government blackmail them all into silence
..and now that bsregistration's reputation/"intellectual honesty" has been called into question....
..ex-White Pine County, Nevada Commissioner, Gary Perea ...who has for the past TWENTY YEARS shown himself to be willing to jump hoop-after-hoop...
...and sniffing blood on the PRIOR two crimes he was exposed to...will ALMOST IMMEDIATELY hop onto a plane to Battery Park to verify that bsregistration's video footage was accurate
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Also, how are we, in the UK, supposed to line a shot up in New York???? Try Luke |
I never said for you to do that.... I just stated that if the camera angle is TOTALLY WRONG then John White should be able to provide a correct camera angle/distance displacement for ex-Commissioner, Gary Perea to move from that water's edge shot provided by bsregistration...
...so, andyb...what direction FROM THE LOCATION where bsregistration filmed from the "water's edge" SHOULD Gary Perea move TO match the proper angle shown in the CNN video footage?
Maybe you can hyperlink Gary Perea to where any on this thread have answered that question.
...and also answer for Gary Perea if the US Government and/or CNN are going to be able to provide the correct camera angle/displacement that you here have all been unable to provide. |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Hi, I finally got approved here.
I've provided footage from dozens of different locations as well as extensive analysis showing exatctly why the CNN footage is fake. Since John White, Chek, Fallious, and the gang are now experts at analysing perspective, I kindly request that they post a map with an X on it indicating the camera location for the CNN footage. We'll then go to that location and test their work and see if they're capable of solving perspective problems or not.
Here's video from the tour boat which clearly shows that 19 Rector Street should be visible above the treeline if the footage were shot from a tour boat close to shore. I've posted a new thread here with a demand that John White back up his false accusations against me with evidence that I faked some photographs, along with a link to the source of his claim that I represented a still photograph as live video.
Here is the source for the photos taken on September 11 that John White claims I faked.
http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/sept11
I've also made a new video showing the view from the tour boat close to shore along with a different genre of music which I hope will be pleasing to John White's sensitve ears. I've also tried to communicate at his level, so I hope that everyone understands that I'm simply trying to accomodate people like Stefan, John, and Chek by experimenting with a new style. Enjoy!
http://www.livevideo.com/video/bsregistration/8C1F9CC2735F49EC91A8D5BB 953612D9/disinfo-in-the-uk-150-replies.aspx
Fred
ps Fallious, "Good work!" lol |
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John White Site Admin
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Quote: | I've also tried to communicate at his level, so I hope that everyone understands that I'm simply trying to accomodate people like Stefan, John, and Chek by experimenting with a new style. Enjoy!
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You mean your trying to convince us by faking evidence?
We already know that! _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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Stefan Banned
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Anyone else notice that in all these pages of BIG font COLOURED font and various hysterical rambling, none of "Team Fred" have called a spade a spade and simply stated what it is they are claiming?
Let's try again:
Fred, David, Madge, Banish et all:
You believe that rather than super impose a plane onto an existing shot of the New York attacks, CNN created the whole of New York on computer, forgetting to include a building or two.
Right?
That's all I'm looking from you in your response; a yes or no. _________________
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Stefan Banned
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Sounds silly when you say it out loud doesn't it? _________________
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Stefan Banned
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I know you're online Fred. _________________
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