Mind control? 32 shot dead on US campus

[Pincher]

The revelation that Cho was diagnosd with an autistic spectrum disorder (just as I predicted earlier on this thread) at the age of eight upon arrival in the US reduces the chances of him having carried out the VT spree UNAIDED to virtually zero.

Anyone familiar with this condition (I have a relative with this disorder and have worked with autistic and apergers cases) knows that autistic people have a narrow range of emotions. They do not feel envy, jealousy or bear grudges in the same way that ordinary people do. An autistic person could not walk half a mile to kill people he didn't even know because he was driven by feelings of inferiority. This is absurd.

Cho may have been diagnosed as an 'high functioning' autism case but both his inability to communicate and his lack of desire to fraternise suggest that his condition was still profound. This begs many questions.

How did he manage to graduate to a major state university seemingly without assistance and more remarkably without any of his tutors being aware of his condition? And how and why was he given a psychiatric detention order by a district judge (on the strength of a report by a Doctor of psychology) and how was his condition not picked up by psychiatrists at the Carilion St Albans Behavioural Center? What happened to his medical records?

And how was it that we only learnt of Cho's condition from an 85 year old South Korean woman (Cho's maternal great aunt)? Nobody from his immediate family, home community, elementary and high schools, university, nobody, not one, single, professional person whether teacher, doctor, pastor, has come forward (or were they denied access to the media?) with this vital piece of information about him. This stinks not only of a cover up, but collaboration, unwitting or otherwise, by a large group of people, departments and institutions.


The autism lobby in the US is a powerful one (not surprising with 1 in every 150 kids being diagnosed with it) and there is more awareness of the condition in America than perhaps anywhere else on earth. They will not take the demonisation of Cho lying down.

Perhaps, in this game of bluff and double bluff, the spooks may have already planned for this. Perhaps they have another card to play. We may already have been softened up with Cho's DVD. Already the media are speculating that he might have received assistance. So watch out for something like...

AUTISTIC CHO SEUNG-HUI WAS AL QAEDA MIND CONTROL VICTIM!

[The Watcher]

Pincher wrote:

[paul wright]

Having worked with a number of autistic people over the years, I can only agree with most of Pincher's comments on this thread
The incoherent rage and lack of awareness of others is characteristic
The formulation of revenge and the ability to multitask within a relatively short space oof time can only have been programmed in
And, yes, the SSRI's help

[gareth]

from fridays foulest Sun Newspaper

[Wokeman]

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2007/200407standdown.htm

[Wokeman]

There's a pattern here somewhere! That's in the process of still developing. What the hell is next!

[Busker]

Wasn't there some sort of stand-down / inaction controversy during the response to Katrina as well?

[rodin]

[David WJ Sherlock]

When this kind of event happens. I have to ask myself. What is it covering up? Media saturation = Cover up!

[knewbie]

Pincher:

[Samantha J Fox]

Who knows, maybe even a few pilots on 9/11 could have been under the same mind control... It would explain a few things

[Stormski]

Not sure if this has been dicussed or posted yet....




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1819078/posts




ISMAIL AK (not AX): Possible lead in Virginia Tech case?


ISMAIL AK

Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following:

Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders

From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:

President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.

Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:

As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .

This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:

Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.

Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.

The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.

So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said

ISMAIL AK

and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said

ISMAIL AX

That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism or to Cooper’s story.

This is an angle the investigators need to pursue with the school's counseling service, the killer's computer, and Dr. Ismail Ak himself.

[scubadiver]

http://www.news.com.au/sundaytelegraph/story/0,,21584526-5001021,00.ht ml

[Stormski]

I'm curious. I stumbled across this myspace page and wondered if it was the same guy. The images are quite small so it's hard to 100% tell, but the information about himself is indeed correct.

It's possible it's a fake profile set up after the tragedy, as i'm sure his myspace page would have since been removed. Or perhaps not?

Anyway... if it is him... he definately doesn't look 'crazy'. On top of that, he states "Well now im a senior at VA Tech and I can't wait until I graduate so I can move to California." Surely not the ramblings of a crazy person? More exciited/happy, and looking forward to the future.

If the photos are him, when did he shave his head? There is more in the pics section of the profile.

Also, if real, it shows he last used his myspace 4 days before the shootings.

Anyway, could well be fake - who am i to say?

Any thoughts?

Anybody?

Here's the link:

http://myspace.com/thechoman


Take care
x

[Stormski]

Also, in addition, i'm not completely up to date with everything that's been published so far regarding this case, i've had hardly any time on my hands to do anything to be honest, so can someone answer me this question if poss?

He sent a package to NBC, right? I've seen the apparent manifesto with photgraphs and a dvd he burned with quick time video clips. Where im confused, and there's no doubt a logical and simple answer that's already public knowledge, is how and when he was able to leave the campus to post the package.

He had already shot 2 people and the first news report i saw stated the campus was on lockdown with campus security aware of what happened and on lookout for the gunman. This is where i'm confused. How did he then leave the campus, after obviously taking his time to burn a dvd with his quick time movie clips he made of himself, and the photographs, which i assume were taken via a webcam, and post this package, and then return?

I bet there's a logical answer to this, so don't shout at me, lol.

Anyway, i'm off to bed.

Nite all!

[Pincher]

1) The VT campus as a whole was not 'locked down' after the Hirschler & Clark slayings - only Amberley Hall was.

2) It was widely reported that this lax secuity was due to the police interviewing Hirshler's boyfriend off campus.

3) More probably this was due to the FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ordering Blacksburg police to stand down ( click link on Wokeman's post earlier on this thread).

4) First reports on CBS News suggested that Cho's package was spotted in the NBC mailroon because it had been addressed with the wrong zip code. NBC then allegedly handed it over to the FBI.

5) However, when Cho's DVD was screened on Thursday, the FBI 'complained' that NBC had not given them sight of it and had not consulted them about it.

6) Blacksbug police abandoned a news conference on day of screening telling waiting media about revelations to be made later on NBC. The following day, however, Blacksburg police 'protested' that NBC had gone ahead without informing or consulting them either.

7) A female 'assistant' (another anonymous, off the record briefing) at Blacksburg post office 'remembered' Cho coming in with the package and having to look up the NBC Rockefeller zip code for him. Must have got it wrong then if the NBC mailroom report is to be believed.

viii) My hunch is that both the timestamp and Blacksburg postmark were probably forged. The package was probably securely delivered from a 'front' organisation in New York. The DVD and manifesto were too important to the exercise to be left to chance.

9) During the Amberley and Norris Hall spree hiatus Cho probably went to see his handler who would have assessed whether he was fit to continue with his mission. He would then have been given more ammo and other essential equipmemt (ie the chains) and incriminating evidence and sent on his way.

10) Cho was not mad. He had profound aphasia (a friend was later reported as saying that his manifesto speech was the first time that she had ever heard him utter a full sentence) and was diagosed with autism at the age of eight ( a condition which, to varying degrees, impairs communication, understanding of and interaction with social and physical reality).

11) His autism was not revealed by official sources (though through his medical records they must have known about it) but rather informally and almost accidentally by relatives living in South Korea. The official media, by and large, are still ignoring this revelation. And Cho's doctors, schools, VT staff and the Carilion behavioural unit appear equally as tight lipped. Why?

12) Because no autistic could carry out such an operation unprogrammed or unaided...

[Stormski]

Thanks Pincher, i was unsure of a bunch of stuff but you've cleared some points up for me. Really appreciate that.

You made some very interesting points at the end, which i pretty much agree with.

More questions.... very little answers... as always.

[Emmanuel]

Is the town Blacksburgh signiifcant too?
11 letters (gasp)

[MagsUK]

[gareth]

[Craig W]

The effects of the V Tech massacre will include some or all of the following imo:

- increased campus/high school "security" (ie surveillance and control strategies), including CCTV, biometric IDs, armed guards, etc
- a register and/or biometric IDs for all people with a known mental health issue (to protect everyone, you understand, afterall they might become nutters)
- a register and/or biometric IDs for all gun owners (banning guns would stir up far too much trouble at this stage)

All of these measures are there to help us all stay safe - because the world is full of dangerous nutters who want to kill us.

This is the thin end of the wedge. A stepping stone to ever-increasing "security" measures, biometric IDs, lists of dissidents, etc, being brought in for the wider community.

Targeting the young has the benefit of getting them used to living in a de facto police state so that as it evolves further they will see it as normal - they will have literally grown up with it.

Apparently, in order to protect our freedoms we have live in hi-tech prison camps.

[Pincher]

Craig W,

You might pay others who are active on this thread the fundamental courtesy of reading their posts.

Perhaps you can start with mine as it is abundantly clear you have not grasped what the VT spree was all about.

Regards,

Pincher

[Craig W]

A bizarre post, Pincher. I am totally mystified. I don't know what your problem with me or my post is but a couple of points:

[rodin]

I think Craig understands... Pincher may not have clocked the irony.

Anyway the DVD story is a complete crock. Pincher flagged up a series of inconsistencies, not the least of which was the clerk giving the wrong postcode. Plus since when did a wrong postcode ever stop a parcel being sent out?

UPDATE

Craig I see you have responded. A simple misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions. I was guilty of making an assumption yesteday - we all do it.

We move on.

[Pincher]

[Craig W]

Another cryptic post, Pincher.

OK. So you've bolded part of my post. Does that mean you disagree? Who knows?

Any chance of a helpful response? Or do you just want to play games? Because if you do I'm not interested.

I have made a perfectly civil and polite response asking for clarification of my apparent misunderstanding. Please explain your claims.

[Pincher]

[Mark Gobell]