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Fred
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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: I am here because of slander from your Moderator John White |
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Hello everyone. Your forum moderator John White has called me a liar and a faker but he's produced no evidence to back up either charge. If this is a truth forum, why don't you demand that he show some analysis and evidence to support his lies and accusations?
Thank you.
You can read his slander and my response here.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=8623
On this multi-page thread you can see requests from members of this site that John White post some analysis or evidence and read dozens of insults and slurs from John White with no evidence or analysis at all to back up his assertions.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=8442
I am kindly requesting that Ian Neal revoke John White's status as moderator if he cannot back up his accusations against me with some facts. Otherwise it would appear that this site is little more than a playground for bullies and liars. What sort of "Truth" site allows moderators to make baseless accusations against legimate researchers without a shred of evidence?
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John White
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Hey "Fred"
Can't slander the name "fred"
'cos its not a full legal name, "fred"
Don't worry, its well known what "911rersearchers" are like with facts
mind you, John White is my full legal name
So mind how you go eh?
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: Where is your analysis? |
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OK, John White of Malvern. You've published lies and slander here. Where's your analysis and your evidence? Do you have any or are you admitting that you're just a liar?
I don't intend to take you to court, but I do intend to expose you for engaging in such ungentlemanly behaviour. It's not only unkind, but it's a disservice to the movement. Why are you bearing false witness? Why are you lying to support murderers and cover up the truth? It's unseemly. I hope that you will admit that you didn't perform any analysis at all (that is true, correct?) and that you will change your ways.
Fred
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John White
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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I'll admit you don't like my opinion, and get real antsy when people don't agree with you. And I'll admit that looks like you've got something to hide to me
As for "demands": you can sweat, and slander me as much as you like whilst trying to cope with your frustration: really adds to your credibility
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| I'm the guy with the research and the evidence who did the hard work, and you're the other guy. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Fred wrote: | | I'm the guy with the research and the evidence who did the hard work, and you're the other guy. |
Neither of which proves you are right, or havnt cheated 
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marky 54
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: Re: I am here because of slander from your Moderator John Wh |
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| Fred wrote: | Hello everyone. Your forum moderator John White has called me a liar and a faker but he's produced no evidence to back up either charge. If this is a truth forum, why don't you demand that he show some analysis and evidence to support his lies and accusations?
Thank you.
You can read his slander and my response here.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=8623
On this multi-page thread you can see requests from members of this site that John White post some analysis or evidence and read dozens of insults and slurs from John White with no evidence or analysis at all to back up his assertions.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=8442
I am kindly requesting that Ian Neal revoke John White's status as moderator if he cannot back up his accusations against me with some facts. Otherwise it would appear that this site is little more than a playground for bullies and liars. What sort of "Truth" site allows moderators to make baseless accusations against legimate researchers without a shred of evidence?
Cheers,
Fred |
there will be lots of banning if we are basing everything on the truth, with upto 10 or more theorys flying around on false evidence, misleading evidence, or evidence that is flawed i'd be carefull as you've yet to prove to many or convince them your theory is true, only then would what others are saying be considered slander IMO.
its no differant to me saying your slandering me if you told me i was lying and a fake for saying that the marsmellow man was responsible for 9/11.
woo! maybe i can peddle it anyone opposing me will be banned if they say im lying and a fake!
as with all theorys its not down to people to prove im wrong, its upto me to prove im right, if i cannot do that then maybe i'd have to start excepting i may be wrong.
you should easily beable to prove your footage etc isnt fake, untill then its always a possibility as with all things.
IMO your making something out of nothing, that in your opinon should be proved wrong with your evidence as its conclusive isnt it? so whats the problem? you should be able to show the fake possibility is impossible.
can you be done for slander by claiming the offical version is untrue? or would the offical version be needed to be proven to be true for that to happen first? |
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| Actually it does. I've posted links to all my sources. I've shown my work. You're just a liar and a fraud, and you've posted nothing to substantiate your accusations. Not one single post you've made supports your case. |
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John White
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Well Fred, your sweating, I'm laughing at you
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Schoolboy taunts and insults won't work with me John. Post a link to your research and analyis or just admit to us all that you haven't done any.
Where is your evidence? |
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david carmichael
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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John White...why not invite Fred:
1) to post under his full name
AND ALSO
2)invite him to have people who know him personally to visit Ian Neal's forum? |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The name Jonathan Aitkin probably means little to you, Fred, but bluster whilst rattling a 'sword of truth' doesn't have the effect I imagine you would like. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| david carmichael wrote: | John White...why not invite Fred:
1) to post under his full name
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2)invite him to have people who know him personally to visit Ian Neal's forum? |
Here's a better idea (I think).
Why not take your incompetent and/or deceitful "research" back to the credulous dupes at your own site and not bother returning here?
How many 911 sites have banned your poisonous disinfo nonsense now?
Whatever the actual figure is, it obviously isn't enough.
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Let's just see the evidence and the research. John white is claiming that I faked photographs, which is an outright lie. He claims I filmed footage from the wrong location and he refuses to show what the correct location is by marking an X on a map.
I searched for evidence, I analysed the facts, and I posted my work. Now John posts threads claiming I've been caught faking, which is a compleat lie. Should I be able to make up false claims and start posting threads here which say: "John white of Malvern Hills is a Rapist"? As far as I know, that's completly untrue. Are the standards so low here that I could make such an outrageous claim and when you ask for evidence, I'll say here's a clue: Little fluffy Clouds. If you ask for back-up, I'll say "Think photoshop."
I think this "British 9/11 Truth Campaign" should have higher standards for moderators than to allow them to post lies about researchers. If we're going to allow people here to just make post after post with insults and lies, and no one here demands that they back up their claims, this really isn't a Truth forum at all.
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE AND ANALYSIS TO BACK UP JOHN WHITE'S CLAIMS? POST A LINK OR ADMIT THAT YOU'RE A FRAUD AND A LIAR. The same goes for you Chek, and you Stefan. Where's your work? Where is your analysis? Where is it? Why can't you post a link? |
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Crikey, you made a little edit there, needed to add that shouting at the end?
In a similar theme to the post I just made in another poop shoot thread just now.
You act like you've never spoken to a human being about 911 before. Like you've never had to deal with that look of distain and disbelief and the outright denial of your nicely packaged argument. Why don't you get on with it instead of blathering on about your shock and disgust in here? Go back to the drawing board and prove your case, then you'll have all the sympathy and fame you deserve.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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FRED
In the big picture of things this is not important.
Please get over it.
M15 , MOSSAD< who read this site must be laughing at us.
Fred - John White is not your enemy, focus on who the real enemy is and use your energy towards them not one of our own.
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| Fred wrote: | Let's just see the evidence and the research. John white is claiming that I faked photographs, which is an outright lie. He claims I filmed footage from the wrong location and he refuses to show what the correct location is by marking an X on a map.
I searched for evidence, I analysed the facts, and I posted my work. Now John posts threads claiming I've been caught faking, which is a compleat lie. Should I be able to make up false claims and start posting threads here which say: "John white of Malvern Hills is a Rapist"? As far as I know, that's completly untrue. Are the standards so low here that I could make such an outrageous claim and when you ask for evidence, I'll say here's a clue: Little fluffy Clouds. If you ask for back-up, I'll say "Think photoshop."
I think this "British 9/11 Truth Campaign" should have higher standards for moderators than to allow them to post lies about researchers. If we're going to allow people here to just make post after post with insults and lies, and no one here demands that they back up their claims, this really isn't a Truth forum at all.
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE AND ANALYSIS TO BACK UP JOHN WHITE'S CLAIMS? POST A LINK OR ADMIT THAT YOU'RE A FRAUD AND A LIAR. The same goes for you Chek, and you Stefan. Where's your work? Where is your analysis? Where is it? Why can't you post a link? |
Fred,
You obviously are very proud (for whatever reason) of your original "research". You seem to be considered quite the auteur within your clique.
However your definition of "research" and mine must differ somewhat.
Have you considered that ground level may be the error?
Have you measured the distances and heights of the reference buildings
and calculated the geometry to obtain a probable location?
What do you imagine poor quality composite photos and trippy little videos convey to someone not recovering from a weekend on E?
Have you considered the camera/lens combinations standard to news crews in 2001?
These sample questions are strictly rhetorical, because surprisingly, I already know the answers.
I think your "research" should have higher standards, but it does seem to do what it's really designed to do quite well.
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not quite sure how it became my job to do all the work, and your job to whine about it. Post some analysis and some evidence please. I did good work, if you want to try to debunk it, go ahead. Please don't expect me to go to the library on your behalf. I already went to New York and filmed the locations. I already gathered all the videos and analyzed them
Now it YOUR turn to do some real work. |
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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John White serves the perpetrators by lying to discredit real research.
His lies allow murderers to go free. It's that simple. |
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| Fred wrote: | John White serves the perpetrators by lying to discredit real research.
His lies allow murderers to go free. It's that simple. |
Listen chum - by the lack of answers, you show you went and did inadequate 'work' with inflated claims which only demonstrates your own pre-existing agenda. You're an anti-scientist.
How you have the cheek to:
a) imagine it justifies your grandiose fakery claims;
b) impresses anyone but the totally gullible;
c) accuse anyone of aiding and abetting, which if anything is your achievement;
is beyond me, and what you'll find is that you've consigned yourself and your outfit's agenda to the Halls of Parody - hopefully for all time.
With luck, 'doing a Fred' will become a generic term in future for any lazy, unimaginative, slipshod project.
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a link to my work: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/541194/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_more_pro of_for_the_hard_headed/
It's gotten truth out to over 8,000 people in the last day.
Now what did you do, Chek? I'm sick of your lies. You haven't done anything to find a single flaw in my work. No analysis, no research, nothing. You haven't dug up one piece of evidence.
Post your work or shut up! I don't care what you think. Your opinion isn't important. |
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