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paul wright
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 Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Andrew Murray and conspiracy theory |
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I kinda know this is a waste of time, and been gone through lots of times, but when I read this bloke here quite clear about false flag ops being undertaken against the civilian population in Iraq by the British military forces -
| Quote: | | We do know that British troops torture, abuse and occasionally murder Iraqi civilians: we have the pictures. We also know that sometimes they dress up as members of Moqtada al-Sadr's "Mahdi army" and drive around Basra in a car full of explosives, shooting policemen dead and having to be ram-raided out of jail by colleagues tanks. |
then why can't he accept as STW chair a platform for those arguing the same thing happens in the homelands
Perhaps a waste of time, but, easy access you know, I thought I'd pose the question here |
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ian neal
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Well spotted dh
We do need to challenge the 'leadership' of the STWC on their refusal to allow voices from 9/11 truth movement to express their opinion on STW platforms when their chair appears to accept 'false flag' operations are happening in Iraq. At one stage David Shayler was welcome until the implications of what he was saying were realised |
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uselesseater
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He probably needs the Independent or Guardian to legitimise the information for him.
He represents what I have come to term the 'stuckists' being stuck in the false paradigm incorrectly known as 'reality'. |
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xmasdale
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Andrew Murray and conspiracy theory |
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| dh wrote: |
then why can't he accept as STW chair a platform for those arguing the same thing happens in the homelands
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Probably for the same reasons as the 9/11 truth movement are uneasy about people talking about UFOs and shape-shifting lizards on their platforms. He has a coalition to hold together and if he is seen publicly to be espousing a theory which will divide the coalition, there is a danger that the coalition will split and thereby be weakened. I think it's important for us to understand this if we are going to make any progress in getting the truth of 9/11 as an inside job accepted.
Yes there are of course agents working within the StW Coalition and there will be others who are unwittingly influenced by them. My own view is that we have to concentrate on getting the truth out to the grass roots of this organisation. Get them to "ask the tough questions, folks," as Andrew Johnson would say.
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Jane
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: Why can't they see the possibility? |
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Looking back, I remeber a "STW" meeting I went to probably about a year ago - it seems a lot longer - where David Shayler was there - he was handing out copies of one of the DVDs and he gave a talk about the 7/7 and 9/11 events - I naturally assumed that other people were taking up the same thing (re 9/11) that I had sort of "taken in" years before - or I thought there must have been other people connecting the dots for ages but I am just beginning to realise it's not just me that thinks this way. Then we were asked to write down questions for the panal to answer/deal with. I wrote that I had heard that one of the shops in Beeston that had been raided after 7/7 had been giving out one of the 9/11 DVDs and that they had been taken away by the police (I've been told since this was not true - I'm not sure - it would figure!). So I wrote on my scrap of paper "Wasn't it sinister that the police took these DVDs away - like the Though Police or something!
My comments did get read out by a young Muslim woman who was chairing the meeting - but she read it as if it didn't really make any sense to her and no one but David Shayer said much about it. This must have been around the time they were going to stop asking him to their talks, meetings - I had seen him at other meetings before and even spoken to him.
I do still think though that a lot of it (this total blanking out of anything about "conspiracy") is not always done by someone with an "agenda" to stop it - I beleive it is the same sort of blocking that I notice in people when I say do you ever wonder what you really are, where you came from, how do you "know" you just die and that's it? Oh no, we just die and there's nothing I will be told factually. I think somehow most people realise that once they start to question things like 9/11 there will be endless more "questions" and they will begin to loose all their "certainties" about things! They would rather live under horrendous limitations and be "ruled" by rutless and power-hungry beings then have to really start to re-think and question - because it's scary to question. Well, that's what I think anyway!
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paul wright
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Andrew Murray and conspiracy theory |
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| xmasdale wrote: | | dh wrote: |
then why can't he accept as STW chair a platform for those arguing the same thing happens in the homelands
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Probably for the same reasons as the 9/11 truth movement are uneasy about people talking about UFOs and shape-shifting lizards on their platforms. He has a coalition to hold together and if he is seen publicly to be espousing a theory which will divide the coalition, there is a danger that the coalition will split and thereby be weakened. I think it's important for us to understand this if we are going to make any progress in getting the truth of 9/11 as an inside job accepted.
Yes there are of course agents working within the StW Coalition and there will be others who are unwittingly influenced by them. My own view is that we have to concentrate on getting the truth out to the grass roots of this organisation. Get them to "ask the tough questions, folks," as Andrew Johnson would say.
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I'd agree with your last point there Noel, absolutely.
Still I'd rather not think that Andrew was not really just trying to hold a coalition together and is willing to ban those espousing a truth with which he agrees from STW platforms. That would make him the worst kind of collaborator, and would be deserving of his organisation to fall into ash and ruins. After all, allowing a platform, particularly when we have celebrities like D and A around is not the same as supporting it
The point about lizards and ufos is not valid. While some of us may be into this kind of thing, and it might get a mention around here a time or two, it is not on the whole a thing most activists would push out to the public, or in our pointless arguments to the politicians and media
Perhaps if some of us had recorded visual studiable analysable proof derived from mainstream sources, but apart from the often fuzzy ufo footage - and Secret Space, for example has some fantastic footage but none of it definitive proof of anything, and shapeshifting - well apart from the Clinton interview, and some Photoshop heavily solarised treated shots of various personages. and the sheer reptilian look of various characters in high places, there's not a lot to go on other than second-hand reports and inferences
I think that Andrew and others of the morally and intellectually bankrupt left, can see perfectly well the Hegelian dialectic at work in the small defined and and entranched warzone that is the target of their limited campaign
Beyond that, acceptance of the Big Lie remains a step too far. Beyond that, in their view, lies acceptance of things like ufos and shapeshifting lizards, or at least a whole change in their perception of how things work, how the world is
It's a chasm, and also an embarassment given their public display of gullibility - it's like David Aaronovitch and the leftist Iraq hawks vis-a-vis STW - proved wrong and too much pride to swallow
Most of us here would bet everything we own and our kids' lives on the 911 Truth general scenario, if not the detail
It's like Jane describes above, the Left's movers and shakers cannot go there, and theyll still be supporting the official story when the rest of the world has changed its mind |
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