Image Impossible: The Evidance

[Fred]

And the liar who can't spell posts from all his accounts. Nice.


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[Dogsmilk]

[John White]

Some further thoughts:

I have been asked why I have not shown where "Sea Level" is when making my case

There is a reason: I encourage independant thinking, and don't take things further than nessacary, especially when dealing with something that a child like intelligence should be able to master. Providing all the answers encourages laziness and sloppy thinking. The only people who dont seem to have been able to grasp why a base of a tower a long way away cannot be lower than foreground detail in a photograph for themselves are all apparent members of "911researchers". I've found it quite satisfying to observe how efficiently Fred and his friends have undermined their own crediblity yet more by even asking the question

Regarding the battery park still fake, on relfection the easiest way to fake this image would be to take a picture post 9/11 and insert the towers into it. Given the uniformity of the towers as a shape, they lend themselves to that kind of faking. Its also worth considering that the people in the park did not appear in Fred's use of the image in his video: he clipped the image considerably to focus only on comparing the damage areas: and of course, he left the actual point of impact on the CNN footage off his direct comparison altogether. Further food for thought on the uses this fake has been put to

Regards to all, John

[Fred]

The actual reason you can't indicate sea level is because your analysis doesn't hold water and you know it. The very idea of you doing anything other than shouting down research is laughable.

[marky 54]

[Banish]

I thought this photo was suspicious also. Blokes body language - almost casualness and the quasi religious imagery of the statue....but...if you look beneath the trees, you can see a good few people gathered looking up at the towers.

[marky 54]

the photos of the towers used to compare to the cnn footage are photoshoped.

forget the people in the park, just take all the photos that feature the towers, put them side by side if possible and look at the big differance in height of the towers compared to the slight change in angles.

its as though who ever did these photos was trying to imagine how much of the towers should be seen from each angle and got it all wrong.

if i knew how i'd easily beable to highlight the points in the photos, however i found it easy to tell just by flicking from one photo to the other.

the one where the towers are totally out of view is a big differance yet only a small change in angle IMO.

the towers were removed and added with images of 9/11, they were sight seeing photos originally, i bet millons who visit new york take a snap of the landmarks dont they? this is why the park seems so casual, it was'nt snapped on 9/11.

[marky 54]

it dose concern me that those whole believe t.v fakery cannot by now see the points and faults in the photo's that make them suspect, i thought it was your professions.

[chek]

[Fred]

Or how about no? I've got a better idea chek, Go to Hell. Your support for the murderers and attempt to cover up their crimes isn't going unnoticed.

[chek]

[david carmichael]

[gypsum]

[ian neal]

David and Fred

Keep it polite and discuss the evidence and you can stay but keep insulting people, telling them to go to hell and calling them denial monkeys and guess what? You will be fired.

[Dogsmilk]

[david carmichael]

[chek]

[marky 54]

the same double act who continue to lie after it has been proved that the photo used to compare the cnn footage is a fake.

i really dont see the problem here, the photo is fake.

so if the cnn footage is also fake or not it dosnt change the fact that the photo is a fake.

this is why accusations were made rightly or wrongly, why carnt people just drop it and get on with the other evidence they feel they have that proves the cnn footage to be fake.

if i was pushing a photo as real that i later found out was fake through other people i'd fully understand why they may think i was a liar.
however if i was after the truth i'd admit i didnt realise it was fake, thank them for pointing it out and then get on with finding other ways to prove my point.

a fake photo can be found out by anybody so we have saved you the embarrsement of it being a court/MP/MEDIA pointing it out instead of people here.

[Fred]

The only thing fake is your multiple accounts and your so-called analysis. You're just a shill, John White. No one has any respect for you or your other accounts: iro, marky 54. Your "bad cop" routine and your inability to spell with any of your false identities are good for a few laughs.

Ian doesn't have the integrity to reprimand you in public, so I will.

The CNN footage is fake and it's not even shot from a real camera angle. I uploaded actual photographs and video which contradict the CNN forgery. John White can't post any footage which matches the CNN camera angle or show where it was filmed from, so he keeps changing the subject and arguing that there's a fake photograph on the net. Ian Neal lets him engage in this rude and deceptive behaviour because he feels like it and can't be bothered to examine the evidence himself.

Your moderator should be fired, Ian White. I'm not amused at your "keep it polite" hypocrisy.

[marky 54]

[Fred]

The photos are real, and they're from this site:

http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/sept11/

I don't even need that photo to make a case, since I've already shown video from land and from the ferry that shows the CNN video is fake.

John White is just inventing a straw man argument about a photo to avoid having to admit that he has lied over and over again on this forum.

Ian Neal has demonstratefd that the facts won't come between him and his moderator, so there you have it.

[marky 54]

[Evans_England]

It makes u wonder....

Why were these fakes made ANYWAY.

The world trade center must be the biggest conspiracy in mankind with so many people wondering wondering wondering. I wish i could have visited them. Even though they were costing the owners more than they were worth, surely there would be a way of making them profitable, i would have converted some of the space into apartments/ a hotel anything is better than making them into a fake terrorist attack. Im surprised there were as many people who survived as did. It is quite possible that more than 10,000 people could have been killed. Who would know?

Apparantly around 1000 bodies were vapourized and we know collapses/fires/planes dont do this. Could more people be unaccounted for (no family to notice their gone?).

What about the announcement inside the buildings when explosions were going off - Return to your offices and wait further announcements!

If both towers had an announcement straight after the 1st plane hit the north tower (to GET OUT) then the numbers of dead would be even lower.

But instead there was this announcement in the south tower saying return to your offices ( not knowing in 15 minutes if you were above the impact in the south tower, there could be NO way out).

So this 'announcement' - was this created by marvin bush - security at the wtc?

What about the powerdowns - occupents at the wtc said powerdowns happened not long before 9/11!!!!!

Imagine if they were there for weeks working all through every night, knocking through walls to get the core collumns and installing some kind of explosive. The thought of wat could and what did happen could go on all day, day after day.

[MadgeB]

Could you perhaps recap in your own words marky how it has been 'proved' that the bigfoto image is 'fake'? Or are you just repeating what John White alleges?

White accused Fred of faking images because the images Fred found on the net contradicted the CNN Ghostplane footage. White’s starting point was that the CNN footage is above question, therefore anything else must be trashed. So he leapt straight in with accusations of fakery, saying the bigfoto picture was ‘clearly’ faked, but couldn't be specific about what was wrong. It was so ‘clear’ that he couldn’t give an answer at all. He eventually came up with the line instead that the alleged image-tampering was “too sophisticated” for him to uncover, and turned to another c***-and-bull story about sea levels.

To cap it all, White went on to claim that the bigfoto pic may have been planted to help Fred’s case. So, agents are going round planting fake photos of the twin towers all over the net, just waiting for someone to challenge the perspectives shown in the Ghostplane footage. Er…yes, yes, of course Mr White (backs away, calls for men in white coats).

Fortunately, Manhattan is still there, and anyone is free to take footage that shows the buildings in the same relationship as the Ghostplane video, and also shows the trees and lamp posts in the same place when panning down. Now that would be proof, wouldn't it. So where is that proof?

[John White]

[chek]

[marky 54]

[david carmichael]

[marky 54]

david, i agree and that is what fred and co should be concentrating on, the discussion has kind of got lost though, fred just keeps accusing and not letting things drop.

all thats happening from what i can see is denial of the photo being faked and accusations of shill, liar etc, even though people have fully explained their postions and why certain things were said.

starting a new thread and acting respectfully to each other is the only way forward, yet isnt happening and wont untill the accusations stop.

advice: dont ask questions if you dont like the answers.

[david carmichael]