Who we really are!

[David WJ Sherlock]

I think you should all you use your real names. I decided to, because we hide behind the "CB" style handles, when we are supposed to ambassadors for truth. if you hide your real name. It makes people wonder, what you are hiding from. Or what you have to hide. So. Why not drop the handles guys and keep it real. Stand proud and stop hiding behind these silly names. It makes us appear insincere.

[Stefan]

I agree in essence...

However I don't use my surname because my family is one of only two ********** families in the world, and is fairly recognisable, I don't think it's fair to have my family member's name splashed around the internet regarding controversial topics.

I'm not worryed about "them" getting my details - the only policy anyone can have on this is to assume they already do and get on with things, but harrasment from net nutters is a different matter.

People in the campaign who I know know my surname, but it's not going on a public internet site.

[Fallious]

Of course a real sounding name lends some feeling of sincerity to a person’s statements - but it doesn't mean for a second that the person is sincere. Or indeed that they are using their real name.

I’ve spent the last 15 years of my life communicating over the internet, and I am yet to be 'tricked' by someone who is using a handle. People don't seem to grasp that nick's were a necessary invention of the internet, for the very purpose of keeping a person’s real identity away from any old tom dick and harry who might want to send them poop in a parcel, yet they also allow that person to build an online identity as real and varifiable as their 'real life' persona.

A name is a name, mine just doesn’t come with a phone number and address for you to spam. I'd have thought people would realise the immense value of that around here, of all places.

[Stefan]

David,
Also, if you are known and trusted by at least two other known and trusted campaign members (if you attend local meetings in other words) you can apply for private forum membership. There everyone MUST be identified by first and last names and is a much better forum than this for actually getting stuff done.

[David WJ Sherlock]

[Stefan]

David,
It's simply so people can plan things without MI5 reading it all, debate things without worrying about public image, know who we are talking to etc.

There is no "elitism" as anyone can join so long as you are an active participant in the campaign.

Meetings are not so private in the sense they are advertised on the public forum and anyone can come, they allow us to coordinate actions like the ones you mentioned, and meet like minded people.

The private forum simply makes that format national rather than local.

I agree we should not be scared to stand up, but having a little caution with putting your name on the internet is a different matter.

I've stood in front of a public auidence, introduced my self by my full name and spoken about 9/11, I have no problem with that, as I say there is no point in joining this campaign if you aren't willing to accept your name will be on a list somewhere. I don't fear that, I just don't care.

I don't want my full name here because I don't want me or members of my family to be pestered by internet losers.

[Fallious]

[Fred]

I'm fine with anonymity. Some activists have been harassed and murdered. The ideas and evidence and arguments can speak for themselves.

[telecasterisation]

It is quite ridiculous to assume that just because our 'real' names are not used, we are 'safe'. Technology is such that if someone in a position of authority, within an agency powerful enough to arrange for people to be killed wanted to know your location - then 'hiding' behind a false name means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

If admins of such boards know details like I.P. addresses/service providers and the area you reside in - if someone wanted you dead - you'd be toast.

How do you think people are prosecuted for peer-to-peer music downloading?

[Fallious]

[rodin]

[marky 54]

posting under a real name changes nothing and dosnt mean you can be trusted anymore than the next person.

heres an example: my name is mark smith, honest

[Stefan]

Rodin,
Ian Neal posted encouraging everyone to apply for the private forum and giving clear instructions of how to do so on this very forum. Use the search tool.

That forum is for planning action in an environment in which all people are known and named. That is it, there is no alterior motive.

If you are an active campaigner you already know several other active campaigners and go to local meetings. In which case you will have no problems getting two references and joining.

If you aren't an active campaigner the forum would have no use for you anyway since it is for planning activity not chewing the cud.

[Stefan]

[rodin]

[rodin]

[Annie]

Stefan

Thanks for those posts. Only TWO families in the world. Blimey! I thought "Machon" was unusual!

The new forum is indeed for those in this movement who have a proven track record of actually doing something to build awareness within the wider community that the official story is false as quickly as possible, rather than just debating endlessly about what might or might not have happened on 911.

Come on folks. This is not a game. If we don't spread the word as effectively as possible, yet more people are going to die in needless wars and we are soon going to wake up to the reality of a fascist state.

And if you really think that the spooks can't identify anyone on this forum if they want to.....er, what can I say??

So, please, get on the new forum and get active.

Regards

Annie

[iro]

to be fair people use 'names' on forums because that is embedded with the culture of forums and newsgroups.

it is the ambiguity of the real 9/11 truth campaign and this 'forum' that blurs this question in this instance as this is apparently a site of activists - but its not.

So i continue to use my nickname here because this is a forum, nothing more. Plenty of people within 9/11 truth, even some of the major players know my name and know who i am - but then again i feel no desire to reveal my name to the vast horde of idiots that grace this board.

Its about choice.

[david carmichael]

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[ian neal]

[David WJ Sherlock]

To Quote Ian.

"Just to clarify the private forum is not elitist. Anyone can join provided they are known to 2 other known campaigners who are happy to vouch for them. This way we then have space where we know who we are talking to and can speak frankly because it is in private, although no one should be nieve enough to think a private forum is truly private from the spooks".

an. Even the Freemason require a couple of members to recommend them. They are definitely elite. On that premise, you would have to had rubbed shoulders with with people who have rubbed shoulders and so on... That by its own merit is a form of elitism. I never go to meetings. But I have an important role to play by submitting ideas for action. the way it is run at present, means I would have to start attending meeting, in order to qualify for a place on the private forum. Also. I do not agree with what David Carmichael has been saying. but unless the the language is foul. I believe, we must stop this "I'm going to ban you attitude. Has I have said many times. This is a free speech community. We should only ban, foul disgusting language, defamation and racism.

[Stefan]

[David WJ Sherlock]

[ian neal]

All of the above is fine David.

Many people feel they have more freedom and are more effective doing things on their own or through their own networks and so have little or no inclination to attend a meeting or link up with other campaigners or being part of anythinmg formal. I'm not trying to sell the idea of a private forum to those who see no value in one, I'm just trying to reassure you that it is not elitist or difficult to join

[andyb]

David,

the meetings we have are to help in promoting our monthly talks in London. We need to give people who want to leaflet leaflets and we discuss future speakers. Unfortunately this doesn't do itself. A number of us then regularly leaflet to promote the public meetings. There are a number of reasons this shouldn't be done on a public forum which I'm sure you realise.

The other forum is open to any activist and is for organising getting the message out to a wider audience. This forum is good but has been used against us many times.

[Stefan]

David,
The points andy and ian made above are those I have tried to get throught to you more than once:

Planning meetings are there to organise and facilitate peoples ideas - to get momentum going and make sure things do happen.

Your ideas sound great, if you came to meetings people would pull together behind you and no doubt take a lot of the work load off you so you would have time then to contribute to other peoples plans - this way we would work most effectivley.

As I say, if you want to be a lone gun, more power to you, but there is no sense in knocking people who are trying to work together for a greater impact.

Your continual refering to planning meetings as a "club", your continual referal to people wanting to work together as being "elitist" are not just mis-representations, they are the polar opposite of the truth.

The meetings and the private forum are there for the principal reason of getting things done: We are currently planning our third and forth public events in London, and a mass participation protest outside Parliament. In order to make events a success we need massive man power to publicise them, in order to organise events we need a group of people working together.

Its seems like you keep being told this, and keep coming back with claims such as:

[Mick Meaney]

David, anyone can claim they do such and such on the internet. The private forum is for people who actually progress 9/11 truth. Unity is one of the most powerful tools we have.

If you've never been to meetings, you don't really know what goes on. Different groups work in different ways, if you're unhappy with the way a group is working.. change it.

I'm speaking from experience and know there is no limits to what we can achieve when we work together.