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karlos
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 Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: Todays Elections |
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Looks like Butcher Blair and new labour have been given a bloody nose tonight by both the SNP and the conservatives.
Interesting side note John McDonald the leadership contender has said he will drop out and support michael meecher the former 911 truth candidate.
Might make it more of a contest and at least raise the anti war and anti trident issues.
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marky 54
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it is almost impossible to know who to vote for, they all lie all have an agenda which isnt for the good of the people, they all become puppets, none are intrested in truth, when a party emerges who prove they have our intrests at heart then i may beable to vote.
im sure there are decent mp's out there but not enough IMO to make a differance. |
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Busker
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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None of the above.  |
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gypsum
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Busker wrote: | | None of the above. |
Ditto.
You forgot about the Scottish/Welsh elections. |
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bigyin
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="gypsum"] | Busker wrote: |
You forgot about the Scottish/Welsh elections. |
No they didn't forget, it's just they never think about us. Always been the same  |
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marky 54
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="bigyin"] | gypsum wrote: | | Busker wrote: |
You forgot about the Scottish/Welsh elections. |
No they didn't forget, it's just they never think about us. Always been the same |
lol english people have always been the same, apart from the olympics, when that scottish fellow crosses the line for gold english people like to take the credit |
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ishaar
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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they are all different faces of the same beast and will attempt to execute the same agenda. So what is the point of voting?
If somehow a party became popular that wasn't controlled by the elite psycopaths and refused to carry out the agenda they would simply die in a helicopter crash, sinking boat, car crash, or demolished building.
The right to vote is supposed to be proof we are living in a 'democracy' yes folks it's all up to you, joe public, we the politicians work for you.
Is that right, well your all fired!!
Alan watt on voting and other stuff:
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Supermen AndSheeple_May022007.mp3 |
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bigyin
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Personally i think its shameful so many dont or wont vote. Wars are fought to bring democracy to those who dont have it and yet we throw it away as though it has no value.
I would make it compulsory to vote, but at the same time there could be a box which says 'none of above' or something like that so you can register your dislike of the choices. |
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spiv
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Quite agree... |
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| bigyin wrote: | | Personally i think its shameful so many dont or wont vote. |
Couldn't agree with you more Bigyin, it is such a shame.
What also troubles me so deeply in this so called 'democracy' we call the UK is how a Government can claim to exercise so much control - by saying they have a mandate from the people - when they have only received maybe 27% of the vote. So, in reality, around three out of every four people who vote actually vote for parties other than the one which forms our 'Government'. It is, quite simply, a disgraceful sham!! |
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Disco_Destroyer
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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I voted Liberal last year seems strange we were the only ward locally to go to the polls when nobody elese did 
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marky 54
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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trust i me i'd love to vote and know of how important it is to have a say, but i simply do not trust any of them.
also i agree with what spiv said and it is a very good point that the vast majority of the uk didnt vote/want labour.
i was listening to the votes last night, some of the labour mp's said we need to listen to the people as the votes reflect that we have'nt been etc etc, im sure they said that last time and yet the people are still ignored why do they think the people will listen to them this time?
they talk rubbish and never back it up, and there all the same, so its a waste of my time just turning up to vote for the mr blobby party just so the main players dont get my vote when the mr blobby party will only end up with 100 votes if their lucky.
(i am aware the mr blobby party dosnt exsist, i wish it did though he talks more sense than alot of mp's and is more trustworthy) |
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bigyin
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Just to prove you wrong the Scottish National Party have just won the election in Scotland, confirmed a few minutes ago.
Labour have been beaten and no longer hold power here.
First time since SNP were formed they have gained power.
Well done  |
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ishaar
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| Quote: | | Wars are fought to bring democracy to those who dont have it |
What... like in Iraq?
Elections are there to give the people the impression they have some sort of control over their own destiny, if you want that your going to have to do more than sign ur name on a ballot paper.
I'm not saying the actual sysem is flawed, but what should be an opportunity to choose a party on the basis of it's policies as opposed to another party whose policies you disagree with, has been reduced to which puppet do you prefer.
You don't get to vote on who is setting the agenda that effects your life and the lives of other ordinary citizens of the world because governments don't set the agendas. Thats done by the real money people who look down on us something akin to how a farmer sees his cattle. Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but thats the way it is.
Voting is just part of the illusion that democracy has become, maybe it's always been that way. |
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karlos
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| gypsum wrote: | | Busker wrote: | | None of the above. |
Ditto.
You forgot about the Scottish/Welsh elections. |
Sorry it only allowed me 5 options
Further comment:
Has anyone noticed that labour have tried to do a George Bush type of electoral fraud and started using dodgy voting machines?
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bigyin
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| stelios69 wrote: | | gypsum wrote: | | Busker wrote: | | None of the above. |
Ditto.
You forgot about the Scottish/Welsh elections. |
Sorry it only allowed me 5 options
Further comment:
Has anyone noticed that labour have tried to do a George Bush type of electoral fraud and started using dodgy voting machines? |
Ok will let you off this time
The voting system fell apart up here in Scotland.... was a complete shambles resulting in over 100,000 voteing papers being declared invalid.
The machines didnt work properly and even the new ballot boxes failed. One woman on the local news reported that at her local polling station the ballot papers were being put into a Tesco carrier bag 
I think we need UN monitors to oversee our elections now. |
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Bongo
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I voted SNP.... Ya Beauty!  |
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ishaar
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The voting system fell apart up here in Scotland.... was a complete shambles resulting in over 100,000 voteing papers being declared invalid. |
You make it sound like it wasn't deliberate, what appears as failure, of a system, a department, an enquiry, is often deliberate. It's then easy to put it down to incompetence. As in 'failure of MI5 7 / 7, Failure of US intelligence 9 11, failure in Iraq. All of these 'failures' are actually successes, i.e went according to plan. |
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Bongo
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Bigyin,
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The voting system fell apart up here in Scotland.... was a complete shambles resulting in over 100,000 voting papers being declared invalid.
The machines didnt work properly and even the new ballot boxes failed. One woman on the local news reported that at her local polling station the ballot papers were being put into a Tesco carrier bag |
I think that the Scottish voting system is really on to something. How about the concept of 'Idiot proof voting'... I say they make the papers even more difficult next time... If someone is incapable of putting 2 X's on a form and putting numbers 1,2,3,4 etc on another form, then I would suggest that these people have neither the intelligence nor the wisdom to be able to review policy, form their conclusions and choose a way forward for the country.
Ps. I had absolutely no problem in understanding the process, I even took the liberty of studying the Single Transferable Vote System (STV) for the council elections... a simplified ('idiot proof'  ) explanation available here... http://www.votescotland.com/stv/How_STV_Works.pdf
Ps. Ishaar, If there was corruption in the Scottish elections, it would have been the war mongering Labour scum that would have won... but they didn't... and I have to say, the effects of this could be very far reaching, probably a whole lot more significant than we can grasp at the moment.
Ps. Hope you are keeping fine Ishaar |
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gypsum
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Labour could still end up having the biggest say in things if they form a coalition with the tories or lib dems.
The lib dems say they don't want a referendum on independence and won't have anything to do with the SNP if they continue to push for one. That suggests to me that they don't want the people of Scotland to be able to decide their own future.
It's gonna be interesting anyway!
PS I voted SNP |
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ishaar
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Cheers Bongo. I'm as well as can be expected given the givens.
Do many here listen to Alan Watt? (cuttingthroughthematrix.com). I used to think his take on things, like voting, predictive programming, the psycopathic elite, etc was somewhat exagerated .... sadly not anymore.
PS. Hope you too are keeping fine. |
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Bongo
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Labour now trying to legally challenge the result... I guess crooks will do anything underhanded to try to gain power? |
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karlos
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Bongo most of the 100,000 votes declared spoilt probably would be SNP votes considering they won the election.
100,000 votes out of a population of 4,500,000 of which most dont vote is a large number.
What is wrong with counting by hand? Once every 4 years is not a big deal.
The reason blair bought these machines off george bush is so labour can fiddle the results for evermore.
The SNP probably had a landslide, but these 100,000 have made it a close run victory by just one seat. That is a deliberate fiddle.
Labour did the same thing to the respect party in east london
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