Bushwacker
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 Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: Evidence of a false flag operation? |
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| kbo234 wrote: | There was a photo published in the Daily Mail on 28th July 2007 (I think) showing a hole in the floor of a tube train created by one of the 7/7 bombs.
This photo clearly showed the metal at the edges of the hole bending up into the carriage, indicating that the explosives, in this case at least, were under the train.
I thought I had saved this photo on my computer but cannot find it. Nor does it seem to be accessible on the web any more (not easily anyway).
Does anyone have a copy of this important photograph that they can put on this site? I would like to save it again if possible.
Kevin B |
Anyone spot that the alleged date of publication of the photograph cannot be right?
When the official narrative made a mistake over the time of the train caught by the bombers from Luton to Kings Cross, it was regarded as hugely significant, not a simple error. Should we take this the same way?
Incidentally, someone did oblige with the photograph, which clearly shows the metal, including a large girder, bent down with great force. |
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KP50
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Location: NZ
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Evidence of a false flag operation? |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | Posted in the General section:
| kbo234 wrote: | There was a photo published in the Daily Mail on 28th July 2007 (I think) showing a hole in the floor of a tube train created by one of the 7/7 bombs.
This photo clearly showed the metal at the edges of the hole bending up into the carriage, indicating that the explosives, in this case at least, were under the train.
I thought I had saved this photo on my computer but cannot find it. Nor does it seem to be accessible on the web any more (not easily anyway).
Does anyone have a copy of this important photograph that they can put on this site? I would like to save it again if possible.
Kevin B |
Anyone spot that the alleged date of publication of the photograph cannot be right?
When the official narrative made a mistake over the time of the train caught by the bombers from Luton to Kings Cross, it was regarded as hugely significant, not a simple error. Should we take this the same way?
Incidentally, someone did oblige with the photograph, which clearly shows the metal, including a large girder, bent down with great force. |
I have to ask - what's your point? |
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Micpsi
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Joined: 13 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Evidence of a false flag operation? |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | Posted in the General section:
| kbo234 wrote: | There was a photo published in the Daily Mail on 28th July 2007 (I think) showing a hole in the floor of a tube train created by one of the 7/7 bombs.
This photo clearly showed the metal at the edges of the hole bending up into the carriage, indicating that the explosives, in this case at least, were under the train.
I thought I had saved this photo on my computer but cannot find it. Nor does it seem to be accessible on the web any more (not easily anyway).
Does anyone have a copy of this important photograph that they can put on this site? I would like to save it again if possible.
Kevin B |
Anyone spot that the alleged date of publication of the photograph cannot be right?
When the official narrative made a mistake over the time of the train caught by the bombers from Luton to Kings Cross, it was regarded as hugely significant, not a simple error. Should we take this the same way?
Incidentally, someone did oblige with the photograph, which clearly shows the metal, including a large girder, bent down with great force. |
Here's the photo. It took me four minutes to find with Google.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/popup?id=979901&content=&page=3
Why can't the date of publication of the photo be right? It was shown by ABC News shortly after 7/7. Where's the problem?
The fact that metal was bent upwards was reported by survivor Bruce Lait in the Cambridge Evening News on 11 July, 2005:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2005/07/11/83e33146-0 9af-4421-b2f4-1779a86926f9.lpf
Of course the error about the wrong departure date from Luton Station was regarded as significant! It seemed to indicate that the four men could never have got to Kings Cross in time to be seen on CCTV there! The July 7 Truth Campaign concluded that the error still leaves problems. Here is what it says (note the conclusion in bold):
"Once the authorities had decided the affected trains had left King's Cross underground station, and were not heading towards the station as originally reported, and the Metropolitan Police had eventually decided the scope of the investigation had widened to include possible suicide bombers, it was originally announced that the alleged perpetrators had taken the 0740 Thameslink train from Luton to Kings Cross on the morning of July 7th.
An eyewitness later stated that she had been at Luton station that morning and that the 0740 had been cancelled. Thameslink Rail later confirmed that not only had the 0740 been cancelled but that all trains that morning ran with heavy delays due to problems further up the line. This confirmation first came from Marie Bernes at Thameslink Customer Relations and then from Chris Hudson, the Communications Manager for Thameslink Rail at Luton Station at the time.
It was also reported that the accused had taken the later 0748 train, but with reference to the actual Thameslink train times on July 7th, it was found that this scenario could not be correct either. The 0748 did not reach Thameslink until 8.42am; seven minutes after the Eastbound Circle Line train had departed from Kings Cross, which later exploded between Liverpool St. and Aldgate. The information about the departure times of the Underground trains from King's Cross was obtained by J7 researcher, with full details here. Nor did the 0748 reach Kings Cross Thameslink in time for the men to have made the journey to Kings Cross Underground station to have been captured on CCTV “shortly before 8.30am” as the police stated.
A scheduled 0730 train was delayed and left Luton station at 7.42am on July 7th. This train also arrived at King's Cross Thameslink station too late for the accused to have caught the affected Underground trains, arriving as it did four minutes after the first of the affected trains had already departed Kings Cross.
The accused were shown on a single CCTV image taken from outside Luton station, apparently entering the station six seconds before 7.22am, or so the timestamp on the image would indicate. On this basis, the earliest train alleged sucide bombers could have caught would have been the train that left Luton at 7.25am. This train arrived at King's Cross Thameslink at 8.23am.
The Government narrative of the London Bombings states that the accused caught the non-existent 0740 train and that it arrived at Thameslink at 8.23am. The narrative then says that the men were caught on CCTV at King's Cross Thameslink at 8.26am, whereas it was previously reported that this sighting had occurred at Kings Cross mainline station.
The narrative then claims the men were seen again, four minutes later at Kings Cross mainline, where they proceeded to split up in different directions, giving the impression that each man was off to board a tube train. The quickest route from Thameslink to the tube lines is through an underground subway but the narrative does not specify their alleged route from King's Cross Thameslink station to the mainline station.
TFL Journey Planner advises to allow 6 minutes to transfer between King's Cross Thameslink station and the mainline in the rush-hour, which doesn't allow sufficient time for the accused to transfer between the Thameslink and the mainline stations. The narrative states:
"The 4 are captured on CCTV at 08.26am on the concourse close to the Thameslink platform and heading in the direction of the London Underground system."
From the concourse of which the narrative is speaking, there are four possible routes:
1. Back down to the Thameslink platform at which they just arrived
2. Down to the northbound Thameslink platform
3. To the main exit out onto the street and
4. To the underground via the subway.
By saying the men were "heading in the direction of the London Underground system", the narrative is implying the men took the underground subway route. There have recently been refurbishments at Kings Cross station which now allow access from the Thameslink station to all tube lines. However, in July last year, it was only possible to access the Northern, Victoria and Piccadilly lines this way. Therefore, this route would only have facilitated the journey of Lindsay, who is alleged to have boarded the Piccadilly Line train; the other two men who were alleged to have been on the Circle Line trains would have had to have found an alternative route to the Circle Line platforms, necessitating their splitting up and making it extremely unlikely they would have been seen together again at 8.30am, as the narrative reports.
If we bear in mind that the eastbound Circle Line train left first, at 8.35am, and that Tanweer was reported to have still been on the Thameslink platform at 8.26am, they would have had to have moved at a fast pace for him to have caught this train. There are no reported witness sightings of four men with large rucksacks running. It is extremely difficult to see how Tanweer got to the Circle Line platform so quickly, if he either had to go overground or take a complicated journey to the Circle Line platform from another of the only platforms he could have reached via the Thameslink subway.
We must also factor in that the narrative states:
"At around 08.30am, 4 men fitting their descriptions are seen hugging. They appear happy, even euphoric. They then split up. Khan must have gone to board a westbound Circle Line train, Tanweer an eastbound Circle Line train and Lindsay a southbound Piccadilly Line train. Hussain also appeared to walk towards the Piccadilly Line entrance."
The narrative does not give a source for this information, so it is unclear whether the sighting was by CCTV camera or a witness, nor does it give the exact location in Kings Cross station. Nor is it clear whether the sighting is of the accused, else the narrative would surely have stated 'the 4 men' rather than '4 men fitting their descriptions'. However, this scenario of the men splitting up could only have occurred in the underground ticket hall of Kings Cross mainline station. There is only one entrance to the underground at Thameslink and also from the main concourse of the mainline station, so it would not make sense for the men to have "split up" there.
Also confusing is that the Metropolitan police stated in a press conference that the men were already at Kings Cross mainline by 8.26am when they appealed for information about the movements of Hussain "between 8.26am at King's Cross and 9.47am on the no. 30 bus when the explosion occurred."
This states that 8.26am was the last sighting of the men, as opposed to the time of 8.30am given by the narrative and it is hard to see how they could have been on the concourse at Thameslink station at 8.26am and also at Kings Cross station at that time.
In conclusion, the incorrect train given by the narrative cannot be put down to simple error. Even if the men had taken a train from Luton which actually ran that morning, it still would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible, for them to have been sighted at Kings Cross at the time they were said to have been seen, or for them to have caught the underground trains which were later bombed.
The narrative even says there were witnesses on the non-existent train who believe they saw the men. How could this be so when there was no such train? The anomalies in the narrative account regarding the train, its arrival time and how the men could have been sighted at Kings Cross only serve to cause much confusion.
Update: On July 11th 2006, the Home Secretary John Reid announced in Parliament that the Official Report was wrong in giving the time of the train that the suspects took from Luton to London as 7.40am. This led to relatives of the bomb victims renewing calls for an inquiry into the July 7th bombings as it raised concerns about the accuracy of the rest of the report. Strangely, Scotland Yard said that the official account had been produced by the Home Office and police had never given it the time for the train.
A spokesman said the mistake may have come from erroneous first-hand witness accounts of the timing it had received and then passed on. Where could the Home Office, who produced the Official Report have obtained the train time from but the police, who were conducting the investigation? It is also doubtful as to whether or not "erroneous first-hand witness accounts" would have been given to any other source than the police. It is also odd that the police only pointed out the error a year after the event and two months after the Official Report had been released.
Perhaps it was a coincidence that the July Seventh Truth Campaign had raised this issue in the national media not once but twice in the space of a week, just before this announcement was made. It is also still unclear, in the light of this clarification by the Home Secretary, why the 7.25 train was never given by any official or media source as being the train that the men took and no witness has stated they saw the men aboard it."
http://julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-1.html |
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Evidence of a false flag operation? |
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| Micpsi wrote: |
Why can't the date of publication of the photo be right? It was shown by ABC News shortly after 7/7. Where's the problem? |
Because you say the date of publication is 28th July 2007 which is currently some three months in the future. See what I mean about attaching significance to such errors?
| Micpsi wrote: |
The fact that metal was bent upwards was reported by survivor Bruce Lait in the Cambridge Evening News on 11 July, 2005. |
And we now see from the photo that there are some bits of metal bent up, but most of it is bent downwards, including what looks like the thick beam of a chassis rail.
As for the timings, that long piece is quite disingenuous; the time allowed in a TfL journey planner would be calculated to allow a slow walker not to miss a train, fit young men would easily exceed it and could have transferred platforms in time, as they could have boarded the train departing Luton at 7.25. |
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