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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: Ahmadinejad: wants Israel wiped from the map? Or not? |
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Did Ahmadinejad talk about wiping what from what exactly?
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
Full Article: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=5866
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Cheers G I especially liked the Fox comedy version 
Stelios I know about the others
You active in London I have something of interest, if a little contraversial
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| Just wanted to add that i caught Roy Chubby Brown on Channel 4 repeating the 'wiping off map' fallacy last night. Interesting that the 7 Sins of Britain which was on prior to it would have attracted a huge working class audience to C4 to hear Mr Chubby Brown. In fact it seems the only way they can spread this myth without accountability is through fly on the wall documentaries about racist and sexist comedians. I'm too sceptical of coincidences perhaps?! |
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Hm,
Could I just add the point that the enemy of our enemy is not our friend?
Good points noted and agreed about Iran's legal rights to nuclear power, the deliberate mis-translation of his words in the western media etc, this man is a very nast piece of work with a lot of blood on his hands from positions in past regimes as a torturer and executer.
Really the US is to blame for a hardliner like this gaining the limited democratic power there is to be had in Iran.
It doesn't seem so long ago that Iran was embracing modernisation and with a massive youth-demographic things were looking positive for gradual internal change, despite the best efforts to undermine the reformers in democratic power from the over-ruling theocracy.
Then what happens? The US calls Iran "Evil", invades and occupies a country either side of it, upscales the already despicable double standards in the Israel/Palestine situation, starts threatening Iran reguarly, starts talking publicly about using nuclear weapons as a battle field option and then starts a campaign to deny Iran the rights it won by signing up to the NPT.
What would the average voter in any country do in this situation? Vote for the hardest most uncompromising and belligerant candidate to restore some pride and make them feel safe. Polls show most Irans actually WANT nuclear weapons now (even though this has never been a stated aim of the regime) and who can blame them?
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I'm not being funny but from where do you draw your intelligence?? I think maybe Russia China or India are more qualified or at least should lead to a more fair and balanced analysis 
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Below is the entire article linked in the original post.
And here is the bit which causes me confusion and concern as to Amhadinejad's behaviour:
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Confusing matters further, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pontificates rather than give a direct answer when questioned about the statement, such as in Lally Weymouth's Washington Post interview in September 2006:
Are you really serious when you say that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth?
We need to look at the scene in the Middle East — 60 years of war, 60 years of displacement, 60 years of conflict, not even a day of peace. Look at the war in Lebanon, the war in Gaza — what are the reasons for these conditions? We need to address and resolve the root problem.
Your suggestion is to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth?
Our suggestion is very clear:... Let the Palestinian people decide their fate in a free and fair referendum, and the result, whatever it is, should be accepted.... The people with no roots there are now ruling the land.
You've been quoted as saying that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Is that your belief?
What I have said has made my position clear. If we look at a map of the Middle East from 70 years ago...
So, the answer is yes, you do believe that it should be wiped off the face of the Earth?
Are you asking me yes or no? Is this a test? Do you respect the right to self-determination for the Palestinian nation? Yes or no? Is Palestine, as a nation, considered a nation with the right to live under humane conditions or not? Let's allow those rights to be enforced for these 5 million displaced people.
The exchange is typical of Ahmadinejad's interviews with the American media. Predictably, both Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes and CNN's Anderson Cooper asked if he wants to "wipe Israel off the map". As usual, the question is thrown back in the reporter's face with his standard "Don't the Palestinians have rights?, etc." retort (which is never directly answered either). Yet he never confirms the "map" comment to be true. This did not prevent Anderson Cooper from referring to earlier portions of his interview after a commercial break and lying, "as he said earlier, he wants Israel wiped off the map". |
Why does he not just clear the matter up? Why does he not go on record to correct the mistranslation? Why does he allow this lie to be used as a fantastic piece of anti-Muslim, anti-Iranian, pro-Zionist, pro-warhawk propaganda? Why would he do that? I just can't get my head around that...
We know the quote was mistranslated, first by the IRNA and then later by AP and Reuters who syndicated it around the world. But what do the Iranians or Ahmadinejad have to gain from allowing it to be perpetuated?
| Quote: | "WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century
by Arash Norouzi – January 18, 2007
Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following article will prove.
BACKGROUND:
On Tuesday, October 25th, 2005 at the Ministry of Interior conference hall in Tehran, newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered a speech at a program, reportedly attended by thousands, titled "The World Without Zionism". Large posters surrounding him displayed this title prominently in English, obviously for the benefit of the international press. Below the poster's title was a slick graphic depicting an hour glass containing planet Earth at its top. Two small round orbs representing the United States and Israel are shown falling through the hour glass' narrow neck and crashing to the bottom.
Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.
THE ACTUAL QUOTE:
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
THE PROOF:
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site
THE SPEECH AND CONTEXT:
While the false "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification, Ahmadinejad's actual speech itself has been almost entirely ignored. Given the importance placed on the "map" comment, it would be sensible to present his words in their full context to get a fuller understanding of his position. In fact, by looking at the entire speech, there is a clear, logical trajectory leading up to his call for a "world without Zionism". One may disagree with his reasoning, but critical appraisals are infeasible without first knowing what that reasoning is.
In his speech, Ahmadinejad declares that Zionism is the West's apparatus of political oppression against Muslims. He says the "Zionist regime" was imposed on the Islamic world as a strategic bridgehead to ensure domination of the region and its assets. Palestine, he insists, is the frontline of the Islamic world's struggle with American hegemony, and its fate will have repercussions for the entire Middle East.
Ahmadinejad acknowledges that the removal of America's powerful grip on the region via the Zionists may seem unimaginable to some, but reminds the audience that, as Khomeini predicted, other seemingly invincible empires have disappeared and now only exist in history books. He then proceeds to list three such regimes that have collapsed, crumbled or vanished, all within the last 30 years:
(1) The Shah of Iran- the U.S. installed monarch
(2) The Soviet Union
(3) Iran's former arch-enemy, Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein
In the first and third examples, Ahmadinejad prefaces their mention with Khomeini's own words foretelling that individual regime's demise. He concludes by referring to Khomeini's unfulfilled wish: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time. This statement is very wise". This is the passage that has been isolated, twisted and distorted so famously. By measure of comparison, Ahmadinejad would seem to be calling for regime change, not war.
THE ORIGIN:
One may wonder: where did this false interpretation originate? Who is responsible for the translation that has sparked such worldwide controversy? The answer is surprising.
The inflammatory "wiped off the map" quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.
Amid heated wrangling over Iran's nuclear program, and months of continuous, unfounded accusations against Iran in an attempt to rally support for preemptive strikes against the country, the imperialists had just been handed the perfect raison d'être to invade. To the war hawks, it was a gift from the skies.
It should be noted that in other references to the conference, the IRNA's translation changed. For instance, "map" was replaced with "earth". In some articles it was "The Qods occupier regime should be eliminated from the surface of earth", or the similar "The Qods occupying regime must be eliminated from the surface of earth". The inconsistency of the IRNA's translation should be evidence enough of the unreliability of the source, particularly when transcribing their news from Farsi into the English language.
THE REACTION:
The mistranslated "wiped off the map" quote attributed to Iran's President has been spread worldwide, repeated thousands of times in international media, and prompted the denouncements of numerous world leaders. Virtually every major and minor media outlet has published or broadcast this false statement to the masses. Big news agencies such as The Associated Press and Reuters refer to the misquote, literally, on an almost daily basis.
Following news of Iran's remark, condemnation was swift. British Prime Minister Tony Blair expressed "revulsion" and implied that it might be necessary to attack Iran. U.N. chief Kofi Annan cancelled his scheduled trip to Iran due to the controversy. Ariel Sharon demanded that Iran be expelled from the United Nations for calling for Israel's destruction. Shimon Peres, more than once, threatened to wipe Iran off the map. More recently, Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu, who has warned that Iran is "preparing another holocaust for the Jewish state" is calling for Ahmadinejad to be tried for war crimes for inciting genocide.
The artificial quote has also been subject to additional alterations. U.S. officials and media often take the liberty of dropping the "map" reference altogether, replacing it with the more acutely threatening phrase "wipe Israel off the face of the earth". Newspaper and magazine articles dutifully report Ahmadinejad has "called for the destruction of Israel", as do senior officials in the United States government.
President George W. Bush said the comments represented a "specific threat" to destroy Israel. In a March 2006 speech in Cleveland, Bush vowed he would resort to war to protect Israel from Iran, because, "..the threat from Iran is, of course, their stated objective to destroy our strong ally Israel." Former Presidential advisor Richard Clarke told Australian TV that Iran "talks openly about destroying Israel", and insists, "The President of Iran has said repeatedly that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth". In an October 2006 interview with Amy Goodman, former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter referred to Ahmadinejad as "the idiot that comes out and says really stupid, vile things, such as, 'It is the goal of Iran to wipe Israel off the face of the earth' ". The consensus is clear.
Confusing matters further, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pontificates rather than give a direct answer when questioned about the statement, such as in Lally Weymouth's Washington Post interview in September 2006:
Are you really serious when you say that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth?
We need to look at the scene in the Middle East — 60 years of war, 60 years of displacement, 60 years of conflict, not even a day of peace. Look at the war in Lebanon, the war in Gaza — what are the reasons for these conditions? We need to address and resolve the root problem.
Your suggestion is to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth?
Our suggestion is very clear:... Let the Palestinian people decide their fate in a free and fair referendum, and the result, whatever it is, should be accepted.... The people with no roots there are now ruling the land.
You've been quoted as saying that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Is that your belief?
What I have said has made my position clear. If we look at a map of the Middle East from 70 years ago...
So, the answer is yes, you do believe that it should be wiped off the face of the Earth?
Are you asking me yes or no? Is this a test? Do you respect the right to self-determination for the Palestinian nation? Yes or no? Is Palestine, as a nation, considered a nation with the right to live under humane conditions or not? Let's allow those rights to be enforced for these 5 million displaced people.
The exchange is typical of Ahmadinejad's interviews with the American media. Predictably, both Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes and CNN's Anderson Cooper asked if he wants to "wipe Israel off the map". As usual, the question is thrown back in the reporter's face with his standard "Don't the Palestinians have rights?, etc." retort (which is never directly answered either). Yet he never confirms the "map" comment to be true. This did not prevent Anderson Cooper from referring to earlier portions of his interview after a commercial break and lying, "as he said earlier, he wants Israel wiped off the map".
Even if every media outlet in the world were to retract the mistranslated quote tomorrow, the major damage has already been done, providing the groundwork for the next phase of disinformation: complete character demonization. Ahmadinejad, we are told, is the next Hitler, a grave threat to world peace who wants to bring about a new Holocaust. According to some detractors, he not only wants to destroy Israel, but after that, he will nuke America, and then Europe! An October 2006 memo titled Words of Hate: Iran's Escalating Threats released by the powerful Israeli lobby group AIPAC opens with the warning, "Ahmadinejad and other top Iranian leaders are issuing increasingly belligerent statements threatening to destroy the United States, Europe and Israel." These claims not only fabricate an unsubstantiated threat, but assume far more power than he actually possesses. Alarmists would be better off monitoring the statements of the ultra-conservative Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, who holds the most power in Iran.
As Iran's U.N. Press Officer, M.A. Mohammadi, complained to The Washington Post in a June 2006 letter:
It is not amazing at all, the pick-and-choose approach of highlighting the misinterpreted remarks of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in October and ignoring this month's remarks by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that "We have no problem with the world. We are not a threat whatsoever to the world, and the world knows it. We will never start a war. We have no intention of going to war with any state."
The Israeli government has milked every drop of the spurious quote to its supposed advantage. In her September 2006 address to the United Nations General Assembly, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni accused Iran of working to nuke Israel and bully the world. "They speak proudly and openly of their desire to 'wipe Israel off the map.' And now, by their actions, they pursue the weapons to achieve this objective to imperil the region and threaten the world." Addressing the threat in December, a fervent Prime Minister Ehud Olmert inadvertently disclosed that his country already possesses nuclear weapons: "We have never threatened any nation with annihilation. Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"
MEDIA IRRESPONSIBILITY:
On December 13, 2006, more than a year after The World Without Zionism conference, two leading Israeli newspapers, The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz, published reports of a renewed threat from Ahmadinejad. The Jerusalem Post's headline was Ahmadinejad: Israel will be 'wiped out', while Haaretz posted the title Ahmadinejad at Holocaust conference: Israel will 'soon be wiped out'.
Where did they get their information? It turns out that both papers, like most American and western media, rely heavily on write ups by news wire services such as the Associated Press and Reuters as a source for their articles. Sure enough, their sources are in fact December 12th articles by Reuter's Paul Hughes [Iran president says Israel's days are numbered], and the AP's Ali Akbar Dareini [Iran President: Israel Will be wiped out].
The first five paragraphs of the Haaretz article, credited to "Haaretz Service and Agencies", are plagiarized almost 100% from the first five paragraphs of the Reuters piece. The only difference is that Haaretz changed "the Jewish state" to "Israel" in the second paragraph, otherwise they are identical.
The Jerusalem Post article by Herb Keinon pilfers from both the Reuters and AP stories. Like Haaretz, it uses the following Ahmadinejad quote without attribution: ["Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out," he added]. Another passage apparently relies on an IRNA report:
"The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom," Ahmadinejad said at Tuesday's meeting with the conference participants in his offices, according to Iran's official news agency, IRNA.
He said elections should be held among "Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner."
Once again, the first sentence above was wholly plagiarized from the AP article. The second sentence was also the same, except "He called for elections" became "He said elections should be held..".
It gets more interesting.
The quote used in the original AP article and copied in The Jerusalem Post article supposedly derives from the IRNA. If true, this can easily be checked. Care to find out? Go to: www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-234/0612134902101231.htm
There you will discover the actual IRNA quote was:
"As the Soviet Union disappeared, the Zionist regime will also vanish and humanity will be liberated".
Compare this to the alleged IRNA quote reported by the Associated Press:
"The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom".
In the IRNA's actual report, the Zionist regime will vanish just as the Soviet Union disappeared. Vanish. Disappear. In the dishonest AP version, the Zionist regime will be "wiped out". And how will it be wiped out? "The same way the Soviet Union was". Rather than imply a military threat or escalation in rhetoric, this reference to Russia actually validates the intended meaning of Ahmadinejad's previous misinterpreted anti-Zionist statements.
What has just been demonstrated is irrefutable proof of media manipulation and propaganda in action. The AP deliberately alters an IRNA quote to sound more threatening. The Israeli media not only repeats the fake quote but also steals the original authors' words. The unsuspecting public reads this, forms an opinion and supports unnecessary wars of aggression, presented as self defense, based on the misinformation.
This scenario mirrors the kind of false claims that led to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, a war now widely viewed as a catastrophic mistake. And yet the Bush administration and the compliant corporate media continue to marinate in propaganda and speculation about attacking Iraq's much larger and more formidable neighbor, Iran. Most of this rests on the unproven assumption that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and the lie that Iran has vowed to physically destroy Israel. Given its scope and potentially disastrous outcome, all this amounts to what is arguably the rumor of the century.
Iran's President has written two rather philosophical letters to America. In his first letter, he pointed out that "History shows us that oppressive and cruel governments do not survive". With this statement, Ahmadinejad has also projected the outcome of his own backwards regime, which will likewise "vanish from the page of time".
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http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/israeli-prime-minister- we-will-not-allow-holocaust-deniers-to-carry-out-another-jewish-holoca ust/
Israeli Prime Minister: We will not allow Holocaust deniers to carry out another Jewish Holocaust
1) Address by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on Holocaust Remembrance Day (20 April 2009)
2) Remarks by President Obama at the Holocaust Days of Remembrance Ceremony (23 April 2009)
3) UK Prime Minister Brown's words at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp (28 April 2009)
4) UK Prime Minister Brown: The lesson I learnt at Auschwitz (22 May 2009)
from the archives:
1) “Wiped Off The Map” - The Rumor of the Century (January 2007)
2) Quotes on Iran by Obama, Brown, Sarkozy and Merkel (July 2008)
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Editorial note:
Speaking at the “United Nations World Conference Against Racism” in Geneva on April 20th, Iran’s president Ahmadinejad denounced “the most cruel and repressive, racist regime in Palestine” as well as the US-led imperialism:
“Have they [i.e. the previous US administration and its allies] been authorized on behalf of the people of the world to interfere in all parts of the globe? And of course mostly in our region aren’t these measures a clear example of egocentrism, racism, discrimination, or infringement upon the dignity and independence of nations?” [1]
On the same day, another speech was delivered by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu in Jerusalem to mark the Holocaust Rememberence Day (see the quote below).
Given the extremely bellicose rhetoric of the new Israeli government [2] as well as the thinly veiled threats from the Obama administration [3], Iran is still at risk of annihilation by the US, Israeli and NATO forces. The Holocaust-mongering of the Israeli establishment can be seen in this light.
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http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng/Communication/PMSpeaks/speechholoc200409. htm
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Address by [the Israeli] Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance Day
Prime Minister’s Office website, 20 April 2009
| Quote: | The unfortunate fact is that while we are marking the events of the Holocaust here at Yad Vashem [Memorial] in Jerusalem, there are those who chose to participate in a spectacle of hatred of Israel, conducted at this very hour in the heart of Europe [i.e. the "Durban Review of the United Nations World Conference Against Racism" in Geneva].
From here I turn to you, President of Switzerland, and I ask you: how can you, as a head of an enlightened state, meet with those who deny the Holocaust and strive for another one?
In opposition to this, we express our appreciation to those important countries which chose to boycott this demonstration of hatred – including the United States, Canada, Germany, Italy, Holland, Poland, Australia and New Zealand, as well as representatives who left the hall during the hateful words of the Iranian president.
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We will not allow Holocaust deniers to carry out another Jewish Holocaust. This is the supreme commitment of the State of Israel, and it is my supreme commitment as Prime Minister of Israel. |
[Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, speech on the Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance Day, 20 April 2009]
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at -the-Holocaust-Days-of-Remembrance-Ceremony/
excerpt from:
Remarks by the President at the Holocaust Days of Remembrance Ceremony
The White House website, 23 April 2009
| Quote: | | How do we ensure that "never again" isn't an empty slogan, or merely an aspiration, but also a call to action? |
[US President Barack Obama, Holocaust Remembrance Day ceremony at the United States Capitol, Washington D.C. , 23 April 2009]
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http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19172
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PM’s words at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp
Number 10 (website of the UK Prime Minister’s Office), 29 April 2009
| Quote: | | When you see the gas chambers, the concentration camps, […] [t]hese memories can never leave you, but it makes you absolutely determined that we should not ever allow this to happen again. |
[UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, interview at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp, 28 April 2009]
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3719516,00.html
excerpt from: The lesson I learnt at Auschwitz
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown shares deep impact of visit to Nazi death camp
by UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Ynetnews, 21 May 2009
| Quote: | | “I now have a new understanding of the burden of memory, that distance from the Holocaust in time and geography does not lessen but increase our obligation to remember and to resist.” |
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from the archives:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527
excerpt from: "Wiped Off The Map" - The Rumor of the Century
by Arash Norouzi, Global Research, 20 January 2007
| Quote: | | Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following article will prove. |
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http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/quotes-on-iran-by-obama -brown-sarkozy-and-merkel/
Quotes on Iran by Obama, Brown, Sarkozy and Merkel
28 July 2008
Below are some quotes taken from the speeches given by prominent political leaders during their recent visits to Israel.
| Quote: | | “The threats to Israel’s security… [include] an Iranian regime that sponsors terrorism, pursues nuclear weapons and threatens Israel’s existence” |
[US Presidential Candidate Barack Obama, speech in Sderot, 23 July 2008] [1]
| Quote: | | “And to those who mistakenly and outrageously call for the end of Israel let the message be: Britain will always stand firmly by Israel’s side.” |
[UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, speech to the Israeli Parliament Knesset, 21 July 2008] [2]
| Quote: | | “Yes, France is Israel’s friend, and France will always stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel when her security and existence are threatened… And those who call scandalously for Israel’s destruction will always find France in their way, blocking the path.” |
[France's President Nicholas Sarkozy, speech to the Israeli Parliament Knesset, 23 June 2008] [3]
| Quote: | | “Ladies and gentlemen, the threats directed against Israel and the Jewish people by the Iranian President are without doubt a particular cause for concern…. If Iran ever acquires nuclear weapons, the consequences will be disastrous.” |
[Germany's President Angela Merkel, speech to the Israeli Parliament Knesset, 18 March 2008] [4]
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[1] Full Text of President Ahmadinejad’s Remarks at U.N. Conference on Racism
Jeremy R. Hammond, Foreign Policy Journal, 21 April 2009
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/04/21/full-text-of-president- ahmadinejads-remarks-at-un-conference-on-racism/
[2] Netanyahu to Obama: Stop Iran—Or I Will
by Jeffrey Goldberg, Atlantic, 31 March 2009
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200903u/netanyahu
[3] Phony Nuclear Disarmament
by Margaret Kimberley, Black Agenda Report, 8 April 2009
http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/freedom-rider-phony-nuclea r-disarmament
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Bibi is a wonderful opportunity for research psychologists as he clearly exhibits all the prime indicators of psychopathy, starting with hyper-paranoia.
ArmoredDinnerJacket has certainly caused a storm by 'telling it like it is' at the UN:-
| Quote: | [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] spoke in Geneva's Palais des Nations and used language probably not heard there since it was built to house the doomed League of Nations in the dark days of the 1930s. He said Zionists had thoroughly infiltrated western countries. They had "penetrated into the political and economic structure including their legislation, mass media, companies, financial systems, and their security and intelligence agencies ... to the extent that nothing can be done against their will", he told delegates from around the world.
The speech drew a stinging denunciation from the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon. "I deplore the use of this august platform to accuse, divide and even incite," Ban said. "This is the opposite of what this conference seeks to achieve." |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/21/ahmadinejad-geneva-speech- israel
Are we quite clear on who Ban Ki-moon works for?
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527
Good link, cem - here's the crux for those who don't want to click on it:-
| Quote: | THE ACTUAL QUOTE:
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
THE PROOF:
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from). |
It's a beautiful language, even in passion, as can be heard here, under difficult circumstance:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/apr/20/ahmadinejad-boycott
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Here's a full translation of The Iranian leader's speech. Absolutely correct, in my opinion:
April 21, 2009
by Jeremy R. Hammond
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/04/21/full-text-of-president- ahmadinejads-remarks-at-un-conference-on-racism/
Ahmadinejad speaks at the U.N. conference on racism (Fabrice Coffrini/AFP/Getty Images)
This is a rush transcript of the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks at the United Nations Durban Review Conference on racism in Geneva, Switzerland, on April 20, 2009.
In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful… [Protestors in clown costumes escorted out by security] May he bestow upon his prophets… Praise be upon Allah, the Almighty, who is just, kind, and compassionate. May he bestow upon his prophets his blessings and his grace from Adam to Noah; Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, and His last prophet, Mohammed. Peace be upon them all who are the harbingers of monotheism, fraternity, love … [Applause] … human dignity and justice.
Mr. Chairman. I call upon all distinguished guests to forgive these ignorant people.
In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be upon Allah, the Almighty, who is just, kind, and compassionate, and praise and salutations of the Almighty God to the great prophet. May he bestow upon [us] His blessings, His grace. We thank the Almighty God. Praise be upon him who is just and who is compassionate. And the salutations and regards of Allah to his prophets, from Noah to Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, and his last prophet Mohammed. Peace be upon them all who are the harbingers of monotheism, fraternity, love, human dignity, and justice.
Mr. Chairman. Honorable Secretary General of the United Nations. Madam High Commissioner. Ladies and Gentleman. We have gathered here in the follow up to the Durban conference against racism and racial discrimination to work out practical mechanisms for our holy and humanitarian campaigns. Over the last centuries, humanity has gone through tremendous suffering and pain. In the middle ages, thinkers and scientists were sentenced to death. It was then followed by a period of slavery and slave trade, when innocent people in millions were captivated and separated from their families and loved ones, to be taken to Europe and America under worse conditions; the dark period that also experienced occupations, lootings, and massacres of innocent people.
Many years passed by before nations rose up and fought for their liberty and freedom, and they paid a high price. They lost millions of lives to expel the occupiers and proclaim their independence. However, it did not take long that the coercive powers imposed two wars in Europe which also plagued a part of Asia and Africa. Those horrific wars claimed about 100 million lives and left behind massive devastation. Had lessons been learned from the occupations, horrors, and crimes of those wars, there would have been a ray of hope for the future. The victorious powers called themselves the conquerors of the world while ignoring or downtreading the rights of other nations by the imposition of oppressive laws and international arrangements.
Ladies and gentlemen, let us take a look at the U.N. Security Council, which is one of the legacies of World War II and World War I. What was the logic behind their granting themselves the veto rights? How can such a logic comply with humanitarian or spiritual values? Could it be in conformity with the recognized principles of justice, equality before law, love, and human dignity? [Applause] Or rather, with discrimination, injustice, violation of human rights, or humiliation of the majority of nations and countries?
That Council is the highest decision-making world body for safeguarding the international peace and security. How can we expect the realization of justice and peace when discrimination is legalized and the origin of law is dominated by coercion and force rather than by justice and the right?
Coercion and arrogance is the origin of oppression and wars. Although today many proponents of racism condemn racial discrimination in their words and in their slogans, a number of powerful countries have been authorized to decide for other nations based on their own interests and at their own discretions. And they can easily ridicule and violate all laws and humanitarian values, as they have done so.
Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make an entire nation homeless on the pretext of Jewish sufferings. And they sent migrants from Europe, the United States, and other parts of the world in order to establish a totally racist government in the occupied Palestine… [Delegates walk out in protest. Applause] And in fact in compensation for the dire consequences of racism in Europe… Okay, please. Thank you. And in fact in compensation for the dire consequences of racism in Europe, they helped bring to power the most cruel and repressive, racist regime in Palestine. [Applause]
The Security Council helped stabilize this occupation regime and supported it in the past 60 years, giving them a free hand to continue their crimes. It is all the more regrettable that a number of Western governments and the United States have committed themselves to defend those racist perpetrators of genocide whilst the awakened conscience and free minded people of the world condemn aggression, brutalities and bombardments of civilians in Gaza. They have always been supportive or silent against their crimes. And before that, they have always been silent with regard to their crimes.
Distinguished delegates, ladies and gentlemen, what are the root causes of U.S. attacks against Iraq or invasion of Afghanistan? [Shouts from audience] What are the root causes of U.S. attacks against Iraq invasion of Afghanistan? Was the motive behind the invasion of Iraq anything other than the arrogance of the then U.S. administration and the mounting pressures on the part of the owner of wealth and power to expand their sphere of influence, seeking the interests of giant arms manufacturing companies, affecting a noble culture with thousands of years of historical background, eliminating potential and practical traits of Muslim countries against the useful Zionist regime, or to control and plunder energy resources of the Iraqi people? Why, indeed almost a million people were killed and injured and a few more millions were displaced and became homeless. Why, indeed the Iraqi people have suffered enormous losses amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars. And why was hundreds of billions of dollars imposed on the American people and its allies as a result of these military actions? Wasn’t the military action against Iraq planned by the Zionists and their allies in the then U.S. administration in complicity with the arms manufacturing companies and the owner of the wealth?
The invasion of Afghanistan; restore peace, security, and economic well being in this country. The United States and its allies not only have failed to contain [?] in Afghanistan, but also the illicit cultivation of narcotics multiplied in the course of their presence. The basic question is: What was the responsibility of the job of the then U.S. administration and its allies? Did it represent the world? Have they been mandated by them? Have they been authorized on behalf of the people of the world to interfere in all parts of the globe? And of course mostly in our region aren’t these measures a clear example of egocentrism, racism, discrimination, or infringement upon the dignity and independence of nations?
Ladies and gentlemen, who are responsible for the current global economic crisis? Where did the crisis start from? From Africa? From Asia? Or was it first from the United States, then spreading to Europe and to their allies? For a long time they imposed inequitable economic regulations. By their political power on the international economy they imposed a financial and a monetary system without a proper international oversight mechanism on nations and governments that played no role in the repressive trends or policies. They have not even allowed their people to oversee of monitor their financial policies. They introduce all laws and regulations in defiance to all moral values only to protect the interests of the owners of wealth and power. They further presented a definition of market economy and competition that denied many of the economic opportunities that could be available to other countries of the world. They even transferred their problems to others whilst the wave of crisis lashed back, plaguing their economies with thousands of billions of dollars in budget deficits. And today, they are injecting hundreds of billions of cash from the pockets of their own people into the failing banks companies and financial institutions making the situation more and more complicated for the economy and their people. They are simply thinking about maintaining power and wealth. They couldn’t care any less about the people of the world and even about their own people.
Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, racism is rooted in the lack of knowledge concerning the truth of human existence as the selected creature of God. It is also the product of his deviation from the true path of human life and the obligations of mankind in the world of creation. Failing to consciously worship God, not being able to think about the philosophy of life or the path to perfection that are the main ingredients of divine and humanitarian values, have restricted the horizon of human outlook, making transient and limited interests a yardstick for his actions.
That is why the cells of the Devil’s power took shape and expanded its realm of power by depriving others from enjoying equitable and just opportunities to development. The result has been the making of an unbridled racism that is posing the most serious threat against the international peace and has hindered the way for building peaceful coexistence in the entire world. Undoubtedly, racism is the symbol of ignorance which has deep roots in history. And it is indeed a sign of frustration in the development of human society. It is therefore crucially important to trace the manifestations of racism in situations or in societies where ignorance or lack of knowledge prevails in the societies. This increasing general awareness and understanding towards the philosophy of human existence is the principle struggle against such manifestations; which is the key to understanding the truth that humankind centers on the creation of the universe, and the key to a return to the spiritual and moral values, and finally the inclination to worship God the Almighty. The international community must initiate collective moves to raise awareness in the afflicted societies where the ignorance of racism still prevails so as to bring to a halt the spread of these malicious manifestations.
Dear friends, today the human community is facing a kind of racism which has tarnished the image of humanity in the beginning of the third millennium. The world Zionism personifies racism that falsely resorts to religion and abuse religious sentiments to hide their hatred and ugly faces. However, it is of great importance to bring into focus the political goals of some of the world powers and those who control huge economic resources and interests in the world. They mobilize all their resources, including their economic and political influence and world media to render support in vain to the Zionist regime, and maliciously endeavor to diminish the indignity and disgrace of this regime. This is not simply a question of ignorance, and one cannot conquer this ugly phenomenon through cultural campaigns. Efforts must be made to put an end to the abuse by Zionists and their supporters of political and international means and respect of the will and aspirations of nations. Governments must be encouraged and supported in their fights aimed at eradicating this barbaric racism [applause] and to move towards reforming … [applause] … the current international mechanisms.
There is no doubt that you are all aware of the conspiracies of some powers and Zionist circles against the goals and objectives of this conference. Unfortunately, there has been literature and statements in support of Zionism and their crimes, and it is the responsibility of honorable representatives of nations to disclose these campaigns which run counter to humanitarian values and principles. It should be recognized that boycotting such a session as an outstanding international capacity is a true indication of supporting the blatant example of racism.
In defending human rights it is primarily important to defend the rights of all nations to participate equally in all important international decision making processes without the influence of certain world powers. And secondly it is necessary to restructure the existing international organizations and their respective arrangements. Therefore this conference is a testing ground and the world public opinion today and tomorrow will judge our decisions and our actions [applause].
Mr. President. Mr President. Ladies and gentlemen. The world is going through fundamental changes, radical fundamental changes. Power relations have become so weak and fragile. The sounds of cracks in the pillars of world oppression can now be heard. Major political and economic structures are at the brink of collapse. Political and security crises are on the rise. The worsening crises in the world economy for which there can be seen no bright prospect, amply demonstrate the rising tide of far reaching global changes. I have repeatedly emphasized the need the change the wrong direction in which the world has been managed today. And I have also warned of the dire consequences of any delay in this crucial responsibility.
Now, in this [?] and valuable event, I would like to announce here to all leaders thinkers, and to all nations of the world present in this meeting and those who have a hunger for peace and economic well being, that the management, the inequitable and unjust management of the world, is now at the end of the road. This deadlock was inevitable since the logic of this imposed management was oppressive.
The logic of collective management of world affairs is based on noble aspirations which centers on human beings and the supremacy of the Almighty God. Therefore it defies any policy or plan which goes against the interest of nations. Victory of the right over the wrong and establishment of a just world system have been promised by the Almighty God and his messengers and it has been a shared goal of all human beings from different societies and generations in the course of history. Realization of such a future depends upon the knowledge of the creation and the belief in the hearts of all the faithful [applause]. The making of a global society is in fact the accomplishment of a noble held in the establishment of a common global system that will be run with the participation of all nations of the world in all major and basic decision making processes and the definite route to this sublime goal. Scientific and technical capacities as well as communication technologies have created a common and wider spread understanding of the world society and has provided the necessary ground for a common system.
Now it is incumbent upon all intellectuals, thinkers, and policy makers in the world to carry out their historical responsibility with firm belief to this definite route, I also want to lay emphasis on the fact that the western liberalism and capitalism, like communism, has reached to its end since it has failed to perceive the truth of the world and human[kind] as it is. It has imposed its own goals and directions on human beings with no regard for human and divine values, justice, freedom, love, or brotherhood; has based the living on the intensive competition securing individual and collective material interests.
Now we must learn from the past by initiating collective efforts by dealing with present challenges, and in this connection and in closing my remarks I wish to draw your kind attention to two important points. One: It is absolutely impossible to improve the existing situation in the world. However, it must be noted that it could only be achieved through the cooperation of all countries in order to get the best out of existing capacities and resources in the world. My participation in this conference is because of my conviction of these important issues, as well as to our common responsibility to defending the rights of nations vis-a-vis the sinister phenomenon of racism, and being with you, the thinkers of the world. [Applause]
Two: Mindful of the inefficacy of the current international political, economic, and security systems on the world scene, it is necessary to focus on the divine and humanitarian values and by referring to the true definition of human beings, and based upon justice and respect for the rights of all people in all parts of the world, and by acknowledging the past wrongdoings in the past dominant management of the world undertake collective measures to reform the existing structures. In this respect, it is crucially important to reform the structure of the Security Council, including the elimination of the discriminatory veto right … [applause] … and change the current world and financial monetary systems. It is evident that lack of understanding on the urgency for change is equivalent to the much heavier costs of delay.
Dear friends, be aware that to move in the direction of justice and human dignity is like the national rapid flow in the current of a river. Let us not forget the essence of love and affection, the promised bright future of human beings is a great asset that will serve our purpose in keeping us together to build a new world and to make the world a better place full of love, fraternity and blessings; a world devoid of poverty and hatred, [inaudible] the increasing blessings of God Almighty and the righteous management of the perfect human being. Let us all join hands in amity in playing our share in the fulfillment such a decent new world.
I thank you Mr. President, Secretary General, and all distinguished participants for having the patience to listen to me. Thank you very much.
Jeremy R. Hammond is the Editor of Foreign Policy Journal (www.foreignpolicyjournal.com ). He has also written for numerous other print and online publications around the world. Contact him at jeremy@foreignpolicyjournal.com . |
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Thanks KBO for that posting. Obviously after reading it one gets a completely different take on the events as portrayed by the MSM.
The Iranian president still seems to hint at the NWO being a noble thing with some divine approval
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http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/04/stupid-stunt-to-silence-meaningf ul.html
| Quote: | Stupid Stunt to Silence Meaningful Debate
By Stuart Littlewood April 21, 2009
The truth never suits Israel's flag-wavers and stooges. They have to twist it or strangulate it.
When Mr. Ahmadjinedad got up to speak at the UN racism conference the British Ambassador, Peter Gooderham, was among those who walked out in the worst show of diplomatic bad manners this century. Gooderham is reported to have said that "such inflammatory rhetoric has no place whatsoever in a United Nations conference addressing the whole issue of racism and how to address it.
"As soon as President Ahmadinejad, started talking about Israel, that was the cue for us to walk out. We agreed in advance that if there was any such rhetoric there would be no tolerance for it." Referring to the Iranian leader's accusation of Israeli racism he added: "That is a charge we unreservedly condemn and so we had no hesitation at that point in leaving the conference hall."
TV inquisitor Jeremy Paxman asked Gooderham the difference between Zionism and racism, to which he replied that Zionism is a political movement and racism is something else - we recognize it when we see it.
The trouble is, these characters don't recognize it at all. Nor are they daily on the receiving end, as the Palestinians are, of Israel's brutal racist policies. Nor were they under Israel's genocidal blitzkrieg on Gaza that vaporized and incinerated women and children in their hundreds and blew their body-parts to kingdom-come.
Everyone knows that the Zionist project aims to create a Jewish state from the Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea and from the Euphrates to the Nile by ethnically cleansing the Arab population from their homeland, stealing their lands and resources at gunpoint, and effectively wiping Palestine off the map. If that isn't naked racism, what is it? Haven’t Mr. Gooderham and his colleagues read the manifestoes of the Likud and Kadima parties?
The question is, why do supposedly moral and civilized people support it and seek to perpetuate it?
Right on cue David Miliband, Britain's foreign secretary, condemned President Ahmadinejad's remarks about Israel being a 'racist government' as “offensive, inflammatory and utterly unacceptable." He didn't say why.
Indeed, nobody has explained what was offensive about the Iranian president's speech. He presented the unvarnished truth. The offence was refusing to listen. But truth has been a major casualty at the UN for 60 years. It doesn't help when its Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, whines about "this august platform" being used "to accuse, divide and even incite. This is the opposite of what this conference seeks to achieve." And what exactly are the powers-that-be seeking to achieve, if not to whitewash the truth as usual?
Last November's Bulletin Board of the Board of Deputies of British Jews - the equivalent in Britain of AIPAC - announced that Elizabeth Harris, their Director of Public Affairs, attended the “preparatory committee” meeting in Geneva for the Anti-racism Conference and used the opportunity to have "constructive" meetings with the British Ambassador and representatives of other European countries. No doubt that's when the stooges received their orders.
So the walkout at the UN had long been premeditated and pre-planned. It was a stupid stunt.
The biggest disgrace is that racist thugs in Tel Aviv are able orchestrate such a thing. It is now self-evident that Zionists have infiltrated and embedded themselves in the political, financial, economic and social fabric of the western world to everyone else’s detriment.
- Stuart Littlewood is author of the book Radio Free Palestine, which tells the plight of the Palestinians under occupation. For further information please visit www.radiofreepalestine.co.uk |
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| Quote: | Shame on you, you Pathetic Blood-Stained Clowns.
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Shame on you, you vicious hypocrites; complicit in mass murder, engaged in slander and evil lies… you creatures from under rocks …who breed in sewer pipes and feed upon the living and the dead. Shame on you, you journalists and media owners, who shape your words to defend lies …and dishonor the truth in exchange for money and position. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you.
The U.N. Conference on Racism was visited by Israeli clowns and that was fitting because it had all the elements of a circus attended by mindless children who engage in mass murder of entire populations while screaming in pain when exposed for their acts.
Who is responsible for the killing in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan? Why… it’s ‘a coalition of the willing’ which includes the U.S., Great Britain, Canada, Australia and others. They are killing a variety of people, mostly women and children and ordinary men of different colors and nationalities who made the mistake of getting in the way of the guns and the bombs. Who engineered these conflicts? That would be Israel. A simple search of the names of the neo-cons who lied America and these other nations into these conflicts will reveal what nation they serve. Go ahead and check… you don’t have to look very hard. You can find out who the neo-cons are.
Maybe there are no neo-cons. Then again, maybe there are but using that word is an act of Anti-Semitism according to Paul Wolfowitz.
So… let me get this straight. The conference was boycotted by the people who are guilty of international racism, expressed through debt enslavement and murder and they boycotted it because of pressure from the main country in the world presently performing genocide upon the people whom they have displaced from their land through force and murder. Further, let it be said that this country practicing the genocide is claiming to be the Biblical inheritors of the land when DNA tests prove that it is the Palestinians who are the original people from the Bible and not them.
So… hmmmm… these killers who are eliminating any trace of the original inhabitants from their land are also using the term ‘anti-Semitism’ as a defense against any and all criticism of their behavior and actually created this term to give the impression that they are Semitic, which the large majority of them are not but which the Palestinians are entirely and… confusing… convoluted… mystifying… so… it appears that in order to establish their legitimacy to something they are not entitled to, according to the evidence presented by a book of scripture, they need to eliminate the people who are the people they are pretending to be.
The President of Iran appears before an assembly of people and states a few things that everyone knows to be true and outrage fills the room and the world by extension because The Truth is Anti-Semitic. So these clowns… the one’s dressed as clowns and the one’s who should be dressed as clowns start acting like clowns; these clowns with the blood of millions on their hands are objecting to someone pointing out that they are blood-stained clowns. Have I got that right?
I hate to do this over and over but I have to do it again. Who is killing millions of people? That would be the U.S. and Great Britain with the assistance of Australia and Canada and some other nations who have ‘donated’ troops. Who is torturing thousands of people? That would be the U.S.
Members of -and individuals sympathetic to- which nation were behind the efforts that brought these conflicts about? That would be Israel. If you got lost on the way to this paragraph then go back and read the links about neo-cons again. Who is practicing genocide on an indigenous people? That would be Israel. Who is presently stealing the little land remaining to the same indigenous people after having stolen the majority of the land already? That would be Israel.
What is the motive force behind this behavior? That would be Zionism, that great banner of self-righteousness that waves over Ersatz Israel (that is not a typo). In the last conference on Racism at Durban, the same people boycotted or walked out of the conference because many nations wanted to classify Zionism as racism …WHICH IT IS! Does this stink of hypocrisy? Yes it does. I see the same snake swallowing its tale again.
How clear does something have to be before you can’t shout it down any more? How blatant does disingenuous behavior have to be before the whole world points with a single finger and says, “SHAME ON YOU”? How long can despicable behavior continue before someone, somehow, comes out of the sky on a rocket ship or appears in the sky with thunderbolts to blow these miscreants to Kingdom Come through the basement door into The Bottomless Pit?
The representative from the next nation to be attacked by the same people that attacked all of the preceding nations at the urging of the same ‘manufactured under false pretenses’ nation, takes the stage and states a simple and unequivocal truth and a pack of blood-stained clowns, using their own * as make-up, walk out as if this discredits what was said. This representative of a nation that presently sits as the filling in a geo-political sandwich between two other nations brutally attacked by the nations boycotting and walking out on a conference of racism where… they are the guilty parties… this representative calmly states the truth and gets hammered in the press for telling the truth while a lot of dignified chimpanzees in suits wring their hands in outrage and grief over having to hear the truth; Shame on you, you pathetic blood-stained clowns.
I don’t know how long this charade can continue. I don’t know what lies beyond the moment that Israel attacks -in person or by proxy- Iran. I don’t know what’s around the corner but I can see what the sidewalk is composed of. Though Iran is not developing a nuclear weapon, it would be better for the whole world if she did because nothing else will keep that nasty pit-bull of a Tony Montana nation in check. One can only hope that Russia is delivering the promised, defensive missiles to Iran and has not succumbed to whatever pressures are at work to negate it. It will be far better for Russia if they did.
It doesn’t seem to occur to all of the great catamite nations that the naughty little nation who is blackmailing all of them to an unknown end is not a friend of any of them and fully plans something even worse for them when the opportunity presents itself.
Hasn’t anyone learned anything from what happened in Gaza and in Lebanon? I cannot imagine what forces are being brought to bear which compel what should be intelligent world leaders to conspire in their own destruction. You got me folks. I just don’t get it. I don’t have armies or economies but I can tell you that I would never allow this kind of thing and that is probably why I will never be in a position to prevent it. SHAME ON YOU!!!
Shame on you all, you have sold out your humanity and you have trampled upon and destroyed all of the higher virtues that were possible for you. You know who you are. You are in high political and religious offices. You write for the Main Stream Media. You lie on television. You lie and you are complicit in mass murder. You dress nice and you talk nice and you know which fork to use but you are cold-blooded indifferent killers. Somehow you have managed to justify what you do. Somehow, in the safety of numbers among others like yourself, you have managed to camouflage reality from your own hearts and minds. Somehow you go to sleep at night and get up in the morning and continue in the service of evil industries against the human race. You are all of you every kind of racist and much, much worse.
Shame on you… Justice is coming somehow and some way and I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. Someone… anyone among you… wake up and cry out against the tide. There may be mercy left for you if you come to your senses now. Soon there will be even less mercy than you have shown to your victims. |
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Anti-semitic = Any one who criticises Israel for doing wrong.
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Anti-semitic = Any one who criticises Israel for doing wrong.
A potted history of Israel can be found in the biblical book of Psalms Chapters 105 and 106
the Judaic Christian God of Chapter 105 is the same God as Chapter 106.
Despite all the providence and care that the God of Abraham and Isaac set upon the people of Israel . They soon turned their backs on their God and rebelled against him creating and worshiping idols, copying the child sacrifice of adjacent nations. Their God in his anger caused them to be scattered and overthrown and ruled by those that hated them. Their God wanted them to repent of their sins then and he still does today.
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| fish5133 wrote: | | The Iranian president still seems to hint at the NWO being a noble thing with some divine approval |
Isn't it more a case of there being a huge difference between an organised New World Ordure and a 'divine' wish for peaceful co-operation amongst all peoples (the original remit of the UN before it was 'Nazi-fied' and then 'Boltonised')?
| Quote: | | Anti-semitic = Any one who criticises Israel for doing wrong. |
Exactly.
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Great Paxman video grilling our 'ambassador' on the walkout
http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/23/incredible-grilling-of-uk-dip lomat/
BBC reporter for Newsnight, Paxman grills the UK Ambassador on the walk-out. This video wasn't available for anyone outside the UK, and after a few hours, even they couldn't watch it anymore! It is an incredibly important excerpt of a document on the nature of what the journalist clearly recognises as a "stunt" and the Ambassador insists upon calling a "protest", fallling all over his own rhetoric in the process.
Jeremy Paxman: What is the difference between Zionism and racism?
Peter Gooderham: Well we see the two as being quite distinct…
Jeremy Paxman: Yeah what’s the difference?
Peter Gooderham: Well Zionism is a political movement related to the establishment of a homeland…
Jeremy Paxman [quietly]: So are some forms of racism.
Peter Gooderham:…a Jewish homeland, in the er…in what is now Israel and racism is something else. I mean racism is, I think we all know it when we see it and it’s not, it’s not that, and we have fought long and hard at the United Nations to keep that, to maintain that distinction.
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Was an ok grilling I thought, not incredible.
Shame you can't hear Paxmans remark regarding racism that clearly.
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"Holocaust deniers want another Holocaust" is a contradiction in terms! Can we keep religion out of this? Believe me, I would like to! By the way, the word Holocaust means a burnt offering which is accepted by the Hebrew god(s).
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article624 5200.ece
excerpts from:
Barack Obama to walk in footsteps of uncle who helped free Buchenwald
Concentration camp visit will send message to Jewish voters
by Tom Baldwin and Roger Boyes, Times, 8 May 2009
| Quote: | President Obama is preparing to follow in the footsteps of his great-uncle, Charlie, with a visit to the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany when he returns to Europe this summer.
The site is laden with historic and personal significance for the President. More than 50,000 people died at the camp before its liberation in April, 1945 by American soldiers, including Charlie Payne, the uncle of Mr Obama’s mother. [...]
Although the White House said yesterday that it was unable to confirm claims that Mr Obama would visit Buchenwald and Dresden next month, almost every senior official in the states of Thüringia and Saxony already appears to have been informed about the impending trip. [...]
Visiting a concentration camp will send an important message to Israel and Jewish voters back home — who have sometimes been suspicious towards him — that he fully recognises the horrors of the Holocaust.
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| Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Obama to visit the Buchenwald concentration camp |
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| Quote: | President Obama is preparing to follow in the footsteps of his great-uncle, Charlie, with a visit to the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany when he returns to Europe this summer.
The site is laden with historic and personal significance for the President. More than 50,000 people died at the camp before its liberation in April, 1945 by American soldiers, including Charlie Payne, the uncle of Mr Obama’s mother. [...]
Although the White House said yesterday that it was unable to confirm claims that Mr Obama would visit Buchenwald and Dresden next month, almost every senior official in the states of Thüringia and Saxony already appears to have been informed about the impending trip. [...]
Visiting a concentration camp will send an important message to Israel and Jewish voters back home — who have sometimes been suspicious towards him — that he fully recognises the horrors of the Holocaust.
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There really is no end to this stuff. Someone puts the holocaust in our faces every day of our lives.
What a racket!
Maybe Israel is ready to unleash another horror.
Involved in 9/11, the Mumbai attacks, The Ukranian genocide (a bigger genocide than 'The Holocaust', perhaps far bigger) of the 1930's?
Never forget, these people are VICTIMS.
Feel guilty right now.
Israel has every right to nuke Iran to kingdom come. Their victimhood has earned them that right.
Hey, kill us all while you're at it.
Why should we possibly object? |
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US National Security Advisor: We understand Israel's preoccupation with Iran as an existential threat
excerpt from: ABC's “This Week With George Stephanopoulos”
Host: George Stephanopoulos
Guests: General Jim Jones, National Security Advisor; Senator John McCain
Federal News Service, 10 May 2009
| Quote: | GEN. JONES: [W]e understand Israel's preoccupation with Iran as an existential threat. We agree with that. And by the same token, there are a lot of things that you can do to diminish that existential threat by working hard towards achieving a two-state solution. This is a very strategic issue. It's extremely important.
And we're looking forward to having a good, constructive dialogue with our Israeli friends when they visit Washington in the next seven or eight days. |
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