BBC IGNORES MASSIVE NEW YORK ANTI WAR RALLY

[mason-free party]

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Thousands of anti-war protesters march in NYC
Rev. Jesse Jackson, Susan Sarandon and Cindy Sheehan join demonstration

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Anti-war activists march down Broadway in New York on Saturday to protest the war in Iraq.
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Updated: 5:33 p.m. ET April 29, 2006
NEW YORK - Tens of thousands of protesters marched Saturday through lower Manhattan to demand an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, just hours after this month’s death toll reached 70.

Cindy Sheehan, a vociferous critic of the war whose soldier son also died in Iraq, joined in the march, as did actress Susan Sarandon and the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

“End this war, bring the troops home,” read one sign lifted by marchers on the sunny afternoon, three years after the war in Iraq began. The mother of a Marine killed two years ago in Iraq held a picture of her son, born in 1984 and killed 20 years later.

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One group marched under the banner “Veterans for Peace.”

The demonstrators stretched for about 10 blocks as they headed down Broadway. Organizers said 300,000 people marched, though a police spokesman declined to give an estimate. There were no reports of arrests.

“We are here today because the war is illegal, immoral and unethical,” said the Rev. Al Sharpton. “We must bring the troops home.”

Organizers said the march was also meant to oppose any military action against Iran, which is facing international criticism over its nuclear program. The event was organized by the group United for Peace and Justice.

“We’ve been lied to, and they’re going to lie to us again to bring us a war in Iran,” said Marjori Ramos, 43, of New York. “I’m here because I had a lot of anger, and I had to do something.”

Steve Rand, an English teacher from Waterbury, Vt., held a poster announcing, “Vermont Says No to War.”

“I’d like to see our troops come home,” he said.

The march stepped off shortly after noon from Union Square, with the demonstrators heading for a rally between a U.S. courthouse and a federal office building in lower Manhattan.

The death toll in Iraq for April was the highest for a single month in 2006. At least 2,399 U.S. military members have died since the war began. An Army soldier was the latest victim, killed Saturday in a roadside explosion in Baghdad.

That figure is well below some of the bloodiest months of the Iraq conflict, but is a sharp increase over March, when 31 were killed. January’s death toll was 62 and February’s 55. In December, 68 Americans died.

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[Annie]

Hi Jane

Good point about peoples' responses on 7/7. I remember it all unfolding on TV, and within an hour or two Bliar came sidling out of the G8 conference, looking suitably grave, and giving a surerbly hammy performance. Virtually his first words were along the lines of "these attacks bear all the hallmarks of the work of Islamic extremist terrorists". Carefully phrased, but the media picked it up and it rapidly became fact.

Regards

Annie

[kookomula]

Dear Ms Yeates

Thank you for your e-mail.

I understand you are unhappy a peace rally in New York City was not
covered by the BBC and that you feel it deserved coverage.

The BBC gathers many thousands of news stories from across the world
each day, the result being that there are too many stories to cover
within the limited hours, available each day. A lot of consideration is
given by news gathering staff on each report before passing news reports,
which will be of great interest to viewers and listeners, to the BBC
editors who then form reports to be presented on the many BBC television
and radio channels.

We would hope that our extra coverage of events on News 24 and BBC News
Online would go some way to address and report on issues of particular
interest to our UK audience. The BBC has responded to some concerns
regarding the coverage of demonstrations in the UK which you may find of
some interest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_4840000/newsid_4841000/ 4841048.stm

In the meantime I appreciate you were unhappy the BBC failed to provide
any significant coverage of a peace rally in New York City and rest
assured your concerns have been registered on our audience log which is
made available to senior BBC management. Such feedback helps the BBC
Editors to determine what stories to cover in the future, taking into
account public interest in them and the impact they have on the world stage.

Thank you again for contacting the BBC with your views.

Regards

Tony Brown
BBC Information

[Andrew Johnson]

That's not too bad a response. Except that they completely omitted to report a significant element of the dissent:

Ben Griffin, Former SAS Officer:

Announcer: "Ben Griffin went to Baghdad to serve with the American forces as part of the SAS. He was horrified at what he saw and he took a moral and very courageous decision to refuse to go back for a 2nd tour of duty. Ben Griffin...."

"Afternoon. As [announcer] just explained, I was a member of the SAS and I served in Iraq last year. I had my doubts about the war before I went to Iraq, but as a soldier, I just carried on and went out there.

What I saw in Iraq was not consistent with brining democracy to the country. - the conduct of coalition forces out there, treating the Iraqis with utter contempt. [inaudible].

I'd like to tell the crowd that John Reid (defence secretary) has said, you're either with us in Iraq, or you're here with the terrorists. And to me, that reeks of desperation. I think we're about to reach a tipping point. This government is desperate.

Since coming out this week, I've had lots of support from officers and soldiers still serving in the army, who agree with what I've said and I'd just like to end on this [inaudible] - it's a personal message to Tony Blair. It's not God that will judge you, it's us."


http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Ben%20Griffin-Stop%20the%20War-18t h%20Mar%202006.wmv

[catfish]

This thread on a different forum refers to the zionist debate. I like this post in particular http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2466#2466

[Jane]

You really should read it (the www.relfe.com/plus link). I have just finished reading it this morning and it "explains" a lot to me about how the world (or at least the Western World which dominates) works and why things are as they - why, after I did Sahaj Yoga everything (or most things - not darling babies, etc!) has looked so artificial and plastic to me, why I've seen two people with "ticks" or compulsive twitches in the last 24 hours - it is the stressful, unnatural, hectic way of life which has been imposed upon us - dashing, dashing always trying to "catch up" but we never can - I might say "Run Like Hell."

Anyway, I'll get back to my "work" now and we'll see if people read it and what they make of it - I would think that James Stewart for one will know about all this - "Financial Outrage" indeed![/b]

[ian neal]

OK. This is the first intervention by the moderators to delete posts on this forum on the grounds of that it promotes violence and hatred, so it probably warrants a brief explanation.

I (as one of the moderators) have no problem with people discussing Isreal, the Isreali state and its connections, when supported with evidence, to the events of 9/11. I have no problem with discussing the neo-cons and the PNAC and their connections to 9/11. I have no problem with discussing how the mainstream media works and the mainstream media's coverage of 9/11 and the 9/11 truth movement. I have no problem with discussing how the banking and money system works and how it shapes the wider context within which 9/11 and its cover-up has taken place.

What I and a majority of those consulted agreed is that in discussing these issues utmost care and responsibility is required. It is my opinion that fascism is on the rise again and that one of the tools of the fascists is to use religion and manufactured clashes of religious 'fundamentalists': be they extreme and bigotted forms of islam, christianity, judaism even hinduism, to divide and rule peoples and nations, fuelling war and chaos. This is nothing new.

In exposing how the PTB use religion, the media, banking and the other institutions of power to shape world events and opinion, the greatest care should be taken distinguish between the fascists and the religion and ideologies they hide behind and the innocent followers of these religions and ideologies. People of jewish faith are no more responsible for the crimes of the world than people of muslim or christian faith or no faith at all. Those that try to explain how the system works in terms of someone's faith and only their faith are falling for the trap that fascists set. Namely divide and rule. If someone has commited a crime, such the crimes of 9/11 or their cover-up, they should be held accountable, but their faith is irrelevent, just as much as their sexuality or colour.

So in summary to say Jews control the media or banking or US politics is bigotted nonsense. Any way enough for now. If posters here wish to discuss this further, we can do so on a forum such www.illusionsforum.com that examines this 'bigger picture'. I will engage in a bit of discussion there with those that disagree with this decision there, but posts that contravene the sites principles as explained in about us will be deleted

Best wishes

Ian

[Martin Conner]

Man, you are seriously uptight. Cant you take a joke?

The fact still remains that proportionately, there are a significant number of positions in power and influence that are held by individuals of Jewish origin.

[ian neal]

[ian neal]

[Martin Conner]

[Newspeak International]

Anthony Lawson wow what a post, certainly the most expressive and
impressive on these here forums.

Karma


And to the comments on this topic on the Illusion site,it is certainly worth
major perusal,since our media are definately lacking in their coverage
of world event issues,I'm sure we can all agree on that.

NI

[ian neal]

You may be right Martin. I will revisit your post (it's on another computer at present) and I'll email you. I basically deleted MFP's second post and all those referring to it having posted my intention to do so earlier on Friday. The reason to delete the other posts referring to this post is that they made no sense in the absence of MFP's post. So it was to MFP's post referring to jewish control of this and jewish control of that that was considered to breach the sites principles by a majority of the people consulted and not just myself. The moderation of this forum is open to challenge and influence by posters, although the principle of no promotion of violence and hatred isn't. That said you know nothing of my maturity or emotional state.

I suggest you let me revisit your post and my email to you rather than continue this here

Best wishes

Ian

[xmasdale]

[paul wright]

Jews or whatever, Noel, we should keep the manipulated opposition off here as much as the mainstream
They are all ramping up the tension
happy that the moderation is serious and only censoring out the hate stuff
The hate stuff is only a subordinated tendency shoring up the mainstream, just the same as those Kill Infidel placards handed out to those willing dupes now being busted from the Cartoon protests
As brother is turned against brother and likewise sister against sister, people need to get a hold of things, not get offended, which is the easiest state-ridden charge, and purely * these hate-ridden parasites off
Such is the message of global warming and the causative uprating of the vibration

[mason-free party]

In hindsight i wish i had edited the offensive section of that article...it was my mistake for not reading the whole article and didn't realise its content at the time so sorry for the hassle it has caused...only wanted to highlight the pro Isreal lobby in the media which is very relevant when we have countries in the middle east that could be nuked due to lies and disinfomation put out by these news outlets..
John Lennon,...imagine no religions...if only

Good article: Zionism is nobody's friend,jews,christians and muslims unite
http://www.rense.com/general71/zzon.htm

[ian neal]

Thanks for being understanding mason free. Because of our global history, the discussion of powerful people who happen to be of jewish faith is always liable to be a fraught one. Especially when (1) prominent proponents of zionism (which to my mind is in itself steeped in 'racism' and linked to terrorism) are extremely quick to label legitimate criticism of zionism and Isreali state policies as 'anti-semitic' and when (2) those who do promote hatred against people of jewish faith (such as combat 18 and the arian race psycho-fascists) refer to a hotch-potcvh of both genuine and racist bs evidence to support their attacks on jewish people.

Although the moderators concluded (in our opinion) that there were sections of the post liable to cause offense and breached the site's principles, I accept your explanation and your initial remark of the post that you are not yourself 'racist'.

I'm afraid in this area we are treading on egg-shells. I certainly see people such as Ruppert Murdoch as part of the PTB nexus and should be held accountable not least for the hatred and war-mongering his FOX network broadcast at the height of the Iraq invasion.

As for political correctness, sure I share many people's concern on how PC speech stiffles expression and dialogue. At the same time I rejoice at the passing (or atleast reduction) of overtly racist, sexist, homophobic and biggoted language which in my school days was common place.

Anyway let's move on. Upwards and onwards

[ian neal]

Hi Antony

I many areas we are not in disagreement. As I sais "I have no problem with people discussing Isreal, the Isreali state and its connections, when supported with evidence, to the events of 9/11. I have no problem with discussing the neo-cons and the PNAC and their connections to 9/11. I have no problem with discussing how the mainstream media works and the mainstream media's coverage of 9/11 and the 9/11 truth movement. I have no problem with discussing how the banking and money system works and how it shapes the wider context within which 9/11 and its cover-up has taken place."

My concern (and the concern of other moderators) is how these sensitive issues are discussed. It is my opinion (and it would fit their modus operandi) that the PTB have heavily infiltrated both 'zionism' and the disreputable racist side of 'anti-zionism'. Caught in the middle are genuine and reputable people (such as to the best of my knowledge, http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ and http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/) trying to sift fact from fiction and challenge the inherently fascist nature of both of these sides.

In exploring these issues it is essential IMO to distinguish between the fascists of considerable power and influence at the pinnacle of the global pyramid who are enmeshed within the PTB and who happen to be (or profess to be) of the jewish faith and the 16 million ordinary followers of the jewish faith. So Ruppert Murdoch, war-mongering, hate promoting, corporate brain-washer, Yes. Jews control the media, No.

[Martin Conner]

I have actually lived in Israel, and if there is anything I noticed about most of the Jewish people, it is their uncanny ability to communicate. Israel is home to some of the most successful developments in computing and software engineering.

Many are highly educated and there is immense investment from some of the bigger players i.e. MacDonald’s, General Electric, Boeing, Coca Cola and IBM.

They are one big family and they are well connected. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but there is a sectarian ethos underpinning the demography.

[Jane]

Just have to share this with someone......just overheard on BBC News programme (re Peter Mandleson). Commentator: "Are we really to believe that most politicians are purely motivated by their own self-serving interests?"

I didn't wait for the answer - but this struck me as being so true....and unfortunately, apparently also true for those working for the BBC!!!