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whoop45
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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: Grumblings among 9/11 truthlings |
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Real easy answer… Any theory or set of theories that suggest that large airliners actually hit the WTC on 9-11-2001,or that suggest that al Qaeda actually exist ,or that there is a plane in that empty hole near Shanksville ,PA ;or that a 757 can magically pass through cable spools without even knocking them over ,or that a 767 can penetrate a building leaving only an 8x4 meter hole are bogus theories and are counter-productive to the 9/11 truth movement. Unfortunately the vast majority in the movement accept most of the plane hugger truthling rubbish.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359238.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359238.html?c=on#comments |
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chek
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Grumblings among 9/11 truthlings |
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| whoop45 wrote: | Real easy answer… Any theory or set of theories that suggest that large airliners actually hit the WTC on 9-11-2001,or that suggest that al Qaeda actually exist ,or that there is a plane in that empty hole near Shanksville ,PA ;or that a 757 can magically pass through cable spools without even knocking them over ,or that a 767 can penetrate a building leaving only an 8x4 meter hole are bogus theories and are counter-productive to the 9/11 truth movement. Unfortunately the vast majority in the movement accept most of the plane hugger truthling rubbish.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359238.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359238.html?c=on#comments |
I think you'll find that on the contrary, generalised half-witted rubbish is
more 'counter-productive to the 9/11 truth movement'.
And despite the floods of it emanating in concerted fashion from the
"researchers" site, most will agree with that statement.
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kc
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kc
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Oh and by the way, your questions rubbish. Not only is it grammatically appalling, but "suggest al qaeda exist"??
Anyone can suggest it existed.
Real easy question - just when are you going to get bored of creating these new alias's just to insult people? |
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andyb
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better still whoop, you prove it doesn't exist. KC, unfortunately I don't think it is aliases, just another pilgrim from 911researchers(where fiction becomes FACT)
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ishaar
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Unfortunately the vast majority in the movement accept most of the plane hugger truthling rubbish. |
I thought the general consensus re no planes resembled my own train of thought which is as follows:
Regardless of the possibility that no planes were actually involved, and in my view a lot of the video of planes hitting towers looks pretty odd and I think the area of research is interesting, I have a hard enough time talking to people about government complicity without introducing the notion that all the news video that day was faked, or that no planes were involved. For instance, lets say I had it from a very reliable source that gbush really was an alien and was complicit in 9 11, it would surely be counterproductive for me to mention that he's not of this world, regardless of it being true. The same goes for beam weapons and other exotic weaponry that may have been used.
What technology is available to the perps? We don't know. Most people have a vague idea that cutting edge military technology is what you see on the news, 'smart' missiles etc, they know nothing of directed energy, haarp, tropospheric aerosol operations, technology which is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
We do know the 9 11 commission report is a fairytail that falls apart under the scrutiny of critical thought, so isn't that the truth movement's task re 9 11? to encourage people to look at the events of that day in a critical way. So how best to achieve that? |
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kc
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Andy, think I might have a wander over there and see whats what ;)
ishaar, you have to wonder, if the americans had beam weapons that can strike from space, would they REALLY need troops in Iraq or indeed anywhere else? Surely, all they would need to do is send footage of the WTC collapsing with a note saying "you're next" to any uppity world leader, then the neo cons really rule the world? |
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whoop45
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ishaar
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| Quote: | | you have to wonder, if the americans had beam weapons that can strike from space, would they REALLY need troops in Iraq or indeed anywhere else? |
2 points.
1_ You could say the same about nuclear bombs, why do they need troups there? why not use nukes? Large areas of Iraq are apparently toxic from DU anyway. They don't use nukes for fear of public outcry, the public are less likely to revolt to what looks like conventional warfare.
2_If the most recent technology was to be used on home ground you wouldn't want to advertise it would you. They try to maintain the semblance of a conventional war, in reality it's not a war at all it's slaughter. I mean the UK and US military versus Iraq? People are defeated by technology, compare the technology. Also we don't know for sure that that exotic weaponry isn't being used or tested in Iraq.
Some US troops have talked of the staged battle scenes for the fox news crew and co, this is all to give the public the idea there is some exchange of fire going on, to rienforce the idea that this is a fight, rather than the slaughter it is in reality. |
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MadgeB
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Arguing TV-fakery |
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| ishaar wrote: | | Regardless of the possibility that no planes were actually involved, and in my view a lot of the video of planes hitting towers looks pretty odd and I think the area of research is interesting, I have a hard enough time talking to people about government complicity without introducing the notion that all the news video that day was faked, or that no planes were involved.... We do know the 9 11 commission report is a fairytail that falls apart under the scrutiny of critical thought, so isn't that the truth movement's task re 9 11? to encourage people to look at the events of that day in a critical way. So how best to achieve that? |
I think this is a very interesting question, and I used to think that maybe the easiest way in was if people stumbled along my own accidental path of realising the towers were brought down deliberately, being thankful for Steven Jones giving us something serious-sounding to explain it, then finally discovering the TV-fakery argument etc. I then thought oh well, maybe some vids are pushing a limited hangout, but at least they get the ball rolling and get people questioning, which is a good start. However I have now become dissatisfied with distributing leaflets that push S Jones and the limited hangout, and feel the truth is being suppressed within the 'Truth' movement, so I want to approach it a different way.
My partner thought I had gone bonkers when I argued the towers were destroyed deliberately, and found it only marginally more bonkers when I later claimed no passenger planes were involved, so that's slightly encouraging. I'd like to try out starting with the fact that there is no evidence for planes and list the problems for the official story in that area. Once people see that, the rest of the official story collapses at a stroke.
I know I'd have to do some work on it for a change, which I'm bad at and tend to rely on leaflets done by others, but I'd like to have a leaflet like that available so I guess I'll have to have a bash at some point. That means going back to sites associated with Gerard Holmgren, Nico Haupt etc. But if anyone can point me to somewhere where it's been done already (in a very succint, bullet-point way), please do. |
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chek
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Arguing TV-fakery |
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| MadgeB wrote: | | I'd like to try out starting with the fact that there is no evidence for planes and list the problems for the official story in that area. |
That I can't wait to see (yet again).
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Craig W
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Grumblings among 9/11 truthlings |
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| whoop45 wrote: | Real easy answer… Any theory or set of theories that suggest that large airliners actually hit the WTC on 9-11-2001,or that suggest that al Qaeda actually exist ,or that there is a plane in that empty hole near Shanksville ,PA ;or that a 757 can magically pass through cable spools without even knocking them over ,or that a 767 can penetrate a building leaving only an 8x4 meter hole are bogus theories and are counter-productive to the 9/11 truth movement. Unfortunately the vast majority in the movement accept most of the plane hugger truthling rubbish.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359238.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359238.html?c=on#comments |
WOW!
You've really convinced me with your complete lack of evidence and reasoning. If only I'd known that all I needed to do was state my opinion baldly as fact I wouldn't have to have bothered with the last 5 years of pesky research and logical deduction.
Still, I'm so glad I don't have to think about these things for myself any more, now we've got smart folks like you (an endless supply, it seems) around to think for us.
Excuse me while I stifle a yawn... 
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