Blair rigs Scottish Election

[Dogsmilk]

[conspiracy analyst]

but the company which controlled the computerised electronic voting machines belongs to ...Kinnock.

So the hand of the EU is there as well guiding us into ...democracy.

After all isn't that what the war in Iraq is about?

Getting the vote!!!

[ian neal]

No

But equally Banish you can leave off the paranoia and silly chibes like clone

I can confirm that none of the posters mentioned use the same IP address, but then again I'm informed this means nothing anyway since those who know how can merely route themselves through a different IP address.

So what people need to know and understand is that since anyone can register here and remain anonymous then of course multiple accounts are a possibility. It is also possible that some of the forum users will not be who or what they claim to be and may even be agents of the state or other nefarious agencies or spoliers or whatever.

Know it, accept it and then realise why this forum could never be representative of any campaign or be an effective platform for campaign planning. It is what it is. A public space to discuss 9/11 and related topics. It serves a useful function up to a point. For a private space where known named campaigners meet, consider joining the campaign's private forum or form your own networks. At least you will know who you are talking with.

Oh and one last thing. Let go of the fear. In case it has escaped people's attention, a paranoid, fragmented, disempowered populace is exactly what the PTB are trying to engender.

[Pincher]

[Banish]

[Bongo]

I cannot believe this thread has been allowed to degrade into a joke?

It started off as a valid political conversation regarding the possibility of a 'Florida-style' fix in the Scottish elections only to be hijacked by fools.

Abominable! (... I hope I spelt that correctly?)

[rodin]

[rodin]

[insidejob]

This is, in fact, a serious issue. Our democracy is being stolen before our very eyes. It happened in the US. It happened in Mexico and it has been happening in Italy, France and the UK. Yes, paper-less computer voting was used in France – the country that rejected the EU constitution because it undermines social protection and now, apparently, voted for a President who wants to get rid of that protection. Anything else odd? Well, 85% of people voting yet opinion polls said a third of the electorate hadn’t made up their minds who they’d vote for before the first vote. Anyting else? The obvious bias of the media – which had a Channel 4 reporter shaking Sarkozy’s hand and kissing one of his campaigners. Except, they’re a bit more sophisticated in France since they rigged the opinion poll as well.

Somebody wanted Sarki in badly. We’re in for a bad time.

P.S. the powers that be also have plans for Blair. This is why he was given Northern Ireland to make his standing down from office look good.


This from former NSA official Wayne Masden, http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
May 8, 2007 -- Neo-con election engineering: the "new math":

France: Nicolas Sarkozy 53% Segolene Royal 47%

Mexico: Felipe Calderon 35.88% Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador 35.31%

USA: George W. Bush 50.7% John Kerry 48.3%

Peru: Alan Garcia 53.2% Ollanta Humala 46.8%

Costa Rica: Oscar Arias 40.5% Otton Solis 40.2%

Colombia: Alvaro Uribe 62% Carlos Gaviria/Horacio Serpa 34% (Only 43% of eligible voters cast ballots)

Italy: Romano Prodi 49.81% Silvio Berlusconi 49.74% (Karl Rove and other manipulators failed to take into account the votes of Italians voting abroad, pre-election polls showed Prodi leading 52% to 47%)

Scotland Alexander Salmond (SNP) 37% Jack McConnell (Labor) 36.2% (100,000 spoiled ballots in pro-SNP constituencies)

Wales Rhodri Morgan (Labor) 43.3% Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru)/Michael German (Liberal Democrat) 35%

Canada: Stephen Harper 36.2% Paul Martin (Liberal) 30.17%/Jack Layton (NDP) 17.44%

Greece: Kostas Karamanlis 45.4% George Papandreou 40.5%

Denmark: Andres Fogh Rasmussen and right 52.5% Mogens Lykketoft and left 43.4%

USA: George W. Bush 47.9% Al Gore 48.4%

Florida: George W. Bush 48.850% Al Gore 48.841%

Virginia: Bob McDonnell (R.) 49.96% Creigh Deeds (D.) 49.95% (Attorney General)

Solution: Destroy the machines and the companies that produce and sell them.



May 7, 2007 -- Nicolas Sarkozy (whom are French intelligence sources have referred to a the "little French Hitler") will govern France with the help of two Silvio Berlusconi- and Rupert Murdoch-like billionaire neo-con French media moguls, Martin Bouygues and Arnaud Lagardere. Bouygues owns the TF1 television channel, which can be expected to act as Sarkozy's own version of the U.S. Republican Party's Fox News Channel. Lagardere's media group owns the Europe 1 radio network, Paris Match, several French regional newspapers, and is a major stakeholder in the French television network Canal+. Sarkozy is known to censor any news reports that are unfavorable to him and pressure publishers and editors to fire wayward journalists. With much of the French media in his pocket, expect the Franco-Hungarian Sarkozy to institute a new era of Janos Kadarist-style censorship in his nation.

The French election, from the start, has been plagued by election fraud -- bogus polling data, false exit polls, and electronic voting machine and machine counting irregularities were hallmarks of the first presidential election round. ES&S's I-Votronic machines were used in both elections across France. Only Sarkozy's party was supportive of the machines, with all the other political parties calling for a moratorium on their use. Turnout in the French election was 85 percent. With large turnouts historically favoring the left in France, the exit polling and actual polling were at odds with the turnout -- an indication of massive election fraud.

Similar polling irregularities were experienced in recent elections in Scotland, Wales, and England. In Scotland, 100,000 ballots, thought to mostly be cast for the pro-independence Scottish National Party, were declared "spoiled" in Scotland's election. That "glitch" cost the Scottish Nationalists a larger majority in the Scottish Parliament. Irregularities in Wales and England similarly affected larger margins for Welsh and Cornish nationalists. As the Bretons and Corsicans will soon discover with Sarkozy, regional nationalism is anathema to the globalist neo-con agenda, particularly the international bankers who want strong centralized control and minimal devolution of power to local and regional governments.

The electoral malfeasance of neo-cons in manipulating elections in France, Britain, Canada, the United States, Italy, Australia, Peru, Costa Rica, Mexico, and other countries will remain a problem until the people, acting through the power of progressive, anti-globalist, and anti-capitalist governments, seize control, via whatever means necessary, of the media, the voting and vote counting process, and the opinion polling mechanisms.


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[marky 54]

[Rory Winter]

[Bongo]

That was a good post InsideJob, the only thing you got wrong, which has probably come to light after your post is that it was not 100,000 ballots in pro-SNP constituencies... It is now numbered at 140,000 ballots in pro-SNP constituencies!

Since the SNP were leading the polls from Labour by anything from 5% to 10% throughout the last 2 months of the campaign, it could well be that a large number of these ballots were from SNP supporters, which under the PR system could have increased the SNP's regional list MSP's.

I now hear that Labour are attempting to challenge a couple of results in law courts???.... so let me get this straight... The Labour administration in Scotland organised and decided upon the method of the election (ie holding National and Council ballots at the same time under different voting methods) and now they (Labour) want to challenge it in court?

I wonder if these Labour candidates will testify against their own party's incompetence?

[karlos]

[ian neal]

[xmasdale]

I can't help thinking that we are addicted to high tech mechanisms. The problem with electronic voting, or electronic counting of ballots, is that people get replaced by machines. Machines are not trusted; neither are people, but at least if voting takes place by placing Xs on ballot papers and the papers are stored and counted by humans, the possibility of recounting when anomalies are spotted is always there. If we rely on computers to work it all out, few will ever know if some programmer has not put a glitch into the system to favour one party or another.

In classical Athens, didn't they vote by putting shells into jars? Wouldn't such low tech systems command more respect from the public and probably save money too?

[xmasdale]

[Rory Winter]

Scotland to remain Corrupt Britannia's Colony?



If what we are now seeing turns out to have been a coup against democracy (and how will we ever know the truth?) surreptitiously planned and intended to look like a c***-up then that must be seen by the rest of the world as proof of how all pretence of freedom and democracy has finally been discarded by our multinational capitalist rulers to be replaced by a planetary, Orwellian dystopia

Read the rest of this article at http://urlsnip.com/013905

[Pincher]

The big problem with your theory, Venceremos, is that the spooks, mandarins and grandees wanted the SNP to knock seven bells out of New Labour.

Establishment thinking on Scotland is that something approaching full independence is necessary to allow the 'Grand Project' to proceed:
a generation of Tory rule. Currently, Scotland returns too many NuLab MP's to allow that to happen.

What the establishment want is an independent administration in Scotland that mirrors the English administration ie a CONSERVATIVE one. But wanting and getting are, as we know, two completely different things. There's also the small matter of Scottish voting intentions to consider (only one in three of the electorate actually wants full independence).

So if there were voting irregularities in last week's poll (and remember BOTH SNP and NuLab claim they were victims of fraud) the most likely explanation at this point is that they were locally arranged (like the postal frauds in Birmingham) rather than centrally inspired (like Florida's dimpled chads).

[Bongo]

Pincher wrote...

[Rory Winter]

[Leiff]

[Disco_Destroyer]

[Pincher]

[Rory Winter]

Pincher, is your outlook on life as pinched as your username suggests? Who are you to speak with so much authority on the mandarins, spooks and ruling classes?

What input do you have to them that you will not reveal to us?

What exactly IS going on, in Pincher's view of the world?

Or are you here simply to pinch and troll?

If you cannot understand the Scottish Office to be the last outpost of English colonial rule in Edinburgh (described as such by Tory Malcolm Rifkind many years ago) then you understand nada.

[MagsUK]

Apparently the design of the ballot papers were changed at the two biggest constituencies Edinburgh and Glasgow after the nominations closed and papers had been sent out to people showing them how to vote.

anyway more on BBC website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6656181.stm

[Pincher]

[karlos]

All the opinion polls showed SNP 10% ahead of New Labour.
But after Neil Kinnock,s vote rigging the SNP only got 1 seat more than Labour and not enough to form an administration.

The election should be held again - one person one vote and counted by hand not by Neil Kinnocks computer.

[Rory Winter]

[Rory Winter]

[Bongo]

From the BBC today...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6663929.stm