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Annie 9/11 Truth Organiser
Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 830 Location: London
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: More Chavez Meetings on Monday |
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Hi all
There are further opportunities to make our presence felt around the Chavez visit tomorrow (Monday 15 May) in London:
- 9am TUC Congress House, Great Russell Street, London WC1B 3LS (nearest tube: Tottenham Court Road)
- 11.30am at City Hall, The Queen's Walk, London SE1 2AA (nearest tube: Westminster).
- 4pm at Parliament Square, Westminster (nearest tube: Westminster)
- 5.30pm We shall be outside Canning House, 2 Belgrave Square, SW1X 8PJ (nearest tube: Hyde Park Corner).
Bring leaflets/DVDs etc if you can. They went very quickly today.
Regards
Annie _________________ All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing - Edmund Burke.
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem Americanam appellant - Tacitus Redactus. |
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flamesong Major Poster
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 1305 Location: okulo news
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: Re: More Chavez Meetings on Monday |
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That kinda stirs things up a bit, eh!
I've always had an admiration for ol' Hugo but his mention of a New World Order starts me thinking about bad cholesterol and good cholesterol. |
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freddie Moderate Poster
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 202 Location: London
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Flamesong, hahaha, I know what you mean - Contemporary philosophers call it 'The Yakult Principle'
The way I see it, the New World Order is no conspiracy, it's obvious - It simply means a new age with new power structures. In this sense the NWO is inevitable, as are the NWOs that will follow the next. The burning question is what form this new order will take and who will be at the helm.
PS: Has anyone heard anymore about the inquiry that Venezuela mentioned? Did Walters go on 'Alo Presidente'? - I've looked on the site but until I can blag my Spanish friend to spend half an hour going through the site with me I'm struggling to find anything new.
The first mention of the inquiry was the biggest news/break-through (IMHO) that I'd heard on the subject but since then I've heard nothing but mentions of the initial announcement. |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
Joined: 14 May 2006 Posts: 368
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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I was speaking to my friends about this very thing yesterday.
I said to them that Hugo seems to be a great guy and for that reason im suspicsious of his true motives.
He has only confirmed his motives with that blatent outburst about a socialist new world order.
I think im starting to realise how far their control spreads. _________________ Since when? |
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Belinda Guest
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Mingling in the Chavez welcome crowd yesterday (with large banner saying Welcome President Chavez Friend of Truth & Liberty in poor Spanish, truth is female not male in Spanish! + 911 TRUTH logo created by David Shayler very visible!) we at least had good contacts with other activists (Chavez himself was ejected from minibus straight into hall with an explosive velocity highly suggestive of panic!); various conversations went like this "why isn't he dead?!" and "let's face it, how independent is he really if he's been able to get this far?".
To which questions I had no immediate answers and I suggest the only thing is to keep a watching brief.
BUT there's one major litmus test of all these leaders and demogues' genuine intentions towards the people's of the world/their determination to help create a PWO 'Peoples' World Order' (my term) as opposed to NWO! which is whether they support the need for 911 Truth and still more are prepared to do anything about it.
Now if Chavez comes good on that (and there are so far positive signs) he's our man. |
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Justin 9/11 Truth Organiser
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 500 Location: Cumbria / Yorkshire Dales
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: |
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From what I can make out, Jimmy didn't actually get to meet with old Hugo but his top legislator and President of the Assembly, Nicholas Maduro, has indicated to Jimmy and William Rodriguez that he is ready to create an international investigative committee to look at 9/11 and that this would be structured via Hugo Chavez's government. It would appear that Prison Planet jumped the gun a bit with this story.
As regards Hugo himself, my intuition tells me he is genuine. I've studied the illuminati/NWO/whatever you want to call them for over sixteen years (in 1982 I was invited to join the Club of Rome as a researcher by the late Aurelio Peccei (co-founder) but I declined - a good move as it turned out as I didn't know then their real sinister agenda). The whole illuminati network involves only a tiny number of people when compared to the world's population - and it is clear they are not in a position to control all of the world's decisionmakers and elected national leaders. However, their control of the world's money supply does make them extremely powerful. As regards Chavez, I think he is one of 'us', but he is probably unaware of the real set-up and how the world is really controlled from the shadows by an unelected and unaccountable elite. His call for a Socialist New World Order is completely understandable when you study his upbringing and the way he sees things. He simply wants to re-distribute Venezuela's wealth so that the poorest in society get a look-in. The only doubt I have is his close relationship with Castro - a man who I'm certain knows all about the illuminati and their policy of divide and rule. _________________ Connect to Infinite Consciousness - enjoy the ride! |
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Belinda Guest
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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ADDENDUM to my last post
We're on the Chavez trail again today (missed the TUC 9 am this morning, yawn, groan!) but we're heading for City Hall 11 am (that is D, A & self).
Now, bear in mind that we cannot have banners today except possibly for the last meeting in Belgrave Square SW1 5.30 (I'm not sure but I believe that could just be outside the square mile). Unless of course anyone wants to be arrested!!
If anyone's planning to join in today, hopefully some will, I've been informed that it would be appropriate to wear a red T-shirt or sweatshirt (uniform for Chavez supporters) and we can pin on it Bienvenido Hugo Chavez amigo de la VERDAD (truth) plus our new logo (designed by David) which is roughly the 3 Towers with the 9 on the first smaller fatter one (WTC7) and 1 + 1 on the other two thinner tall ones and the word TRUTH in capitals as a band underneath.
There's also a gunsight trained on the base of the Towers but that may be too difficult for the moment the 3 Towers & Truth will be enough.
When I can work out how to do this I'll get the logo put up on the board here so all can copy & use any way you like.
For those who turn out today in London I've made a few 911 Truth badges with the logo pro-tem. NB don't worry if you haven't got a red T-shirt, come along anyway!
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flamesong Major Poster
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 1305 Location: okulo news
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised |
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The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
http://www.chavezthefilm.com
As I stated at the outset, I have always admired Hugo Chavez and still do. Anybody watching the film, 'The Revolution Will Not Be Televised' cannot fail to be impressed by his charisma and popular support. And anybody who stands up to the likes of Bush and Blair is worthy of admiration for doing so, though in some cases their motives might be questionable.
In the current political climate it is easy to oversteer and support the left in an attempt to rebalance and this is evident throughout South America, not least with the election of Evo Morales in Bolivia. And I do.
The revolution in Cuba in 1959 has been a huge irritation to America for almost 50 years but notwithstanding the missile crisis in 1962, Cuba's threat has been merely one of ideology, embodied in the McCarthy Witch Hunt. Human rights organisation are critical of Cuba's record and it cannot be ignored but it pales in comparison to the attrocities carried out in the name of 'democracy' by America and the West.
Incidentally, I have been confronted about Cuba's human rights record by people who claim that homeless children are exterminated by the police. That this is something which happpens in Brasil, not Cuba, shows how politically enlightened some people are.
Having worked with homeless young people, I have been quite proud to wear a T-shirt which states that, 'In the world there are 200 million children sleeping in the streets - not one of them is Cuban'. Not, I hasten to add, because I particularly support Castro but because it illustrates that the willingness to deal with issues such as homelessness is not proportionate to a nation's wealth. Neither are other welfare issues.
Apart from children, homelessness is virtually unknown in Cuba - as is joblessness. Hardly anybody needs to wear glasses - laser eyesight was developed in Cuba.
Cuba has over 71,000 doctors, so with a population of about 11.5 million, has one of the highest doctor/patient ratios on the planet. Additionally, Cuba has 25,000 doctors providing medical aid in 68 countries. Compare this to the kind of 'aid' provided by the US and ideological differences are glaring.
But in my view, Cuba is a museum piece. It's like an endangered species kept alive in a bell jar which would perish if exposed to the outside world.
So, whilst I can understand your reservations about Castro, Justin, I think that they may be based on misconceptions and suspiscions about his longevity - if Usama bin Laden has served as a bogey man for the past decade, Fidel Castro is a veteran. |
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Dog Minor Poster
Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 90 Location: Terra Firma
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: Venezuela |
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16:30 Monday 15th May.
The BBC has just confirmed it has received reports from Reuters that the U.S is to impose sanctions on Venezuela for what it calls " it's lack of co-operation in the War On Terror."
Hmmm......... |
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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: US to impose Venezuela sanctions |
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US to impose Venezuela sanctions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4774475.stm
The US is to impose a ban on arms sales to Venezuela, US state department officials have said.
Spokeswoman Darla Jordan said the decision was taken because of lack of support by Venezuela's government for counter-terrorism efforts.
The US has accused Venezuela of providing a safe haven for two leftist guerrilla groups in Colombia.
Relations between the US and Venezuela are severely strained on a number of issues, including oil prices and trade.
Venezuela's left-wing President Hugo Chavez has described his US counterpart George W Bush a "terrorist", denouncing Washington's Middle East policies.
The move by Washington comes despite the fact that Venezuela is a major supplier of oil the US. |
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Sinclair Moderate Poster
Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 395 Location: La piscina de vivo
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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It was also on the (Ch4) News tonight that the USA have just announced that they are reopening diplomatic relations with Libya.
Guess where Chavez planned iterary takes him after his London visit?
Yep, Libya, to discuss strengtheing of African/Latin America relations & OPEC oil issues. |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dont be fooled by this strawman.
Hugo Chavez is a tool.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4771229.stm
Hes being set up as a another enemy of the state. His aggresions towards America resemble the same actions as the Iranian President.
Hes calling for a New World Order. The very thing we dont want, the very thing thats bringing on ID cards and such. Blair is the bringer of the NWO to the British Isles. _________________ Since when? |
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hazzard wrote: | Dont be fooled by this strawman.
Hugo Chavez is a tool.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4771229.stm
Hes being set up as a another enemy of the state. His aggresions towards America resemble the same actions as the Iranian President.
Hes calling for a New World Order. The very thing we dont want, the very thing thats bringing on ID cards and such. Blair is the bringer of the NWO to the British Isles. |
Too right Hazzard
He's playing at the top of his game
He's certainly got the charisma, the orgone is shining bright, but as your pictures illustrate he is willing to shake and hug with some despicable characters - armoring is his game
These types always end up in medalled military uniform inspecting the parade of armaments in the streets
Another fake hero |
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Sinclair Moderate Poster
Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 395 Location: La piscina de vivo
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hazzard wrote: | Dont be fooled by this strawman.
Hugo Chavez is a tool.
Hes being set up as a another enemy of the state. His aggresions towards America resemble the same actions as the Iranian President.
Hes calling for a New World Order. The very thing we dont want, the very thing thats bringing on ID cards and such. Blair is the bringer of the NWO to the British Isles. |
Chávez and his supporters have won 10 elections in eight years. He has been democratically elected by the people of his country (more than can be said for Bush in the US), much to the annoyance of the right-wing media & US linked corporate interests in Venezuela. Why then would the US applaud (& sponsor) moves to undemocratically remove him from office.*
From K.Livingstone's article in todays Guardian :
Quote: | The opponents of democracy are those who orchestrated a coup against Chávez, captured on film in the extraordinary documentary The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. It is a film that literally changes lives. By chance, a TV crew was in the presidential palace when the military coup of April 2002 against Chávez took place. It captured minute by minute the events that unfolded.
Anti-Chávez gunmen, in league with the coup organisers, opened fire on a pro-Chávez demonstration. As guns are commonplace in Venezuela, some in the crowd returned fire. US television stations manipulated these images by editing out the gunfire aimed at the pro- Chávez crowd to claim that anti-Chavez demonstrators had been attacked.
A million people took to the streets of Caracas to demand Chávez's release. The moment when the army deserted the coup leaders and went over to support the demonstrators is shown on film.
Venezuela is a state of huge oil wealth that was hitherto scarcely used to benefit the population. Now, for the first time in a country of over 25 million people, a functioning health service is being built. Seventeen million people have been given access to free healthcare for the first time in their lives. Illiteracy has been eliminated. Fifteen million people have been given access to food, medicines and other essential products at affordable prices. A quarter of a million eye operations have been financed to rescue people from blindness |
I don't dissagree that Chavez is an enemy of the US & poodle UK, but I do not believe that he is anyone's tool - apart from the tool of those that voted for him.
Yep & he is a head of state, so he has met other heads of state, that is part of his line of work, - so what?
*The US had advanced knowledge of the coup that briefly ousted him in 2002 - and openly applauded it. [1]The US continues to lavish fund on the groups who supported the coup as Eva Golliger reported
"In April 2002, just days after the failed coup d'etat against Venezuela President Hugo Chavez, the State Department gave the NED a US$1 million grant entitled Special Venezuela Funds .. which was distributed to many of the very same groups that had just led and participated in the coup."[2]
Joe Emersberger
[1] Znet: Weisbrot: CIA and Venezuela:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=6849
[2] Znet: Eva Gollinger: NED Back on the Offensive in Venezuela :
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=6745
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Chávez and his supporters have won 10 elections in eight years. He has been democratically elected by the people of his country (more than can be said for Bush in the US), much to the annoyance of the right-wing media & US linked corporate interests in Venezuela. Why then would the US applaud (& sponsor) moves to undemocratically remove him from office.*
From K.Livingstone's article in todays Guardian : |
I hate to say this as im new here and I realy dont like to say things like this in a new place. But you are either ignorant or niaeve.
Hitler won the elections, Napoleon won the elections, Nero won the elections. With an environment like South America, a nation that has been ravaged by war, criminal activity and drug related chaos, the chances of anything being truly democractic is low. You are only seeing one side of the story.
South America is in the * becuase of the fake drug wars and general rape and pillage its had to suffer at the hands of outside invaders for hundreds of years. America has long known im sure of the oil deposits within the borders of Venezuela. The US has had "domestic" projects using military forces within South America for decades. And with this rediculous farce called a drug war, their forces have long been in place. Hugo reprisents just another enemy that will be blown further into the media headlines the closer the need to go in gets.
You will see, Hugo will either be blamed for some attack, or American forces will instigate an attack within Venezuela. Im not sure exactly what will happen but rest assured the US knows whats about to start, as does Venezuela.
You need to understand that nearly every single war for the past 100 years AT LEAST has been influenced or started on behalf of the true real powers of this world.
There is no such thing as a reactionary government, not in this day and age esspecialy not the superpowers. Every nation has its martial plan, and if you have the money and power to enforce it than so be it. America is the tool of the NWO, the sword that will carve out the democratic brave new world. The UN will arrive soon to take the reigns to slap that big bad americas naughty naughty wrists, conveniantly after all the world is under UN control thanks to the US. _________________ Since when? |
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Dog Minor Poster
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Whatever your standpoint, it's inescapable that the Chavez rhetoric in light of the newly imposed U.S sanctions is nothing short of confident. Headlining on BBC world 10PM (NZT) tonight, Chavez said of the sanctions:
"They are an act of desperation from a spent force; an impotent empire. The United States is nothing but a tiger on paper and these sanctions are precisely irrelevant.....( no doubt in reference to the newly signed agreement for Russia to provide rifles and helicopters....?) Because we are not cooperating with the war on terror? This is confirmation of an attempt at imperial abuse. It is a futile gesture. Bush should be on trial for genocide. The name of the biggest terrorist in the world today is George W Bush."
There were lots of folk cheering in the background, and though I couldn't make out specific banners, I suspect that some of you here were among the crowd.
Bloody lefties!
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Sinclair Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Hazzard wrote: | ...you are either ignorant or niaeve. |
Hazzard, my quote from KL was factual. Other facts that I'm sure that you are aware of are that "war, criminal activity and drug related chaos, [and] the chances of anything being truly democractic [being] low" in Latin America is a result of the unexpressed (& illegal) policies of the US Government & their shadowy nexus of CIA Special Ops. Look up Operation Watchtower & US Executive Order #12333 (see here)
You may call it a NWO if you wish, sometimes I think that term is a bit to much of a catch all.
Quote: | You are only seeing one side of the story. |
I see many sides, but that doesn't stop me expressing hope/respect towards Chavez & his attempts to stand up to the USA/ Fake War on Terror/OilDollar Warmongering.
I am aware (as Chavez is I'm sure) of False Flag attacks & I am also aware that wars are fought over resources & in the interests of the ruling oligarchs. |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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If America falls. The last little freedoms we have fall with it.
That is just the facts of life. Its the poeple we need to support. Its their leadership that is cuasing all the problems. Chavez is just joining up to bang the death bell of the US.
I will say it again, American's loose their republic and their rights. The world loses whatever it had left. _________________ Since when? |
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flamesong Major Poster
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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The man himself is interviewed on Channel Four News shortly. |
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Pikey Banned
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Relevant and interesting news regarding Chavez:-
Quote: | Venezuela Weighs Selling U.S. Jets to Iran
Associated Press – May 16, 2006
Venezuela is considering selling its fleet of U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets to another country, perhaps Iran, in response to a U.S. ban on arms sales to President Hugo Chavez's government, a military official said Tuesday.
Gen. Alberto Muller, a senior adviser to Chavez, told The Associated Press he had recommended to the defense minister that Venezuela consider selling the 21 jets to another country.
Muller said he thought it was worthwhile to consider "the feasibility of a negotiation with Iran for the sale of those planes."
Even before the U.S. announced the ban on arms sales Monday, Washington had stopped selling Venezuela sensitive upgrades for the F-16s.
Chavez has previously warned he could share the U.S. jets with Cuba if Washington does not supply parts for the planes. He also has said he may look into buying fighter jets from Russia or China instead
[urlhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060516/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_us _3;_ylt=[/url] |
Implications? Orchestration/engineered events? What do you make of it? _________________ Pikey
Peace, truth, respect and a Mason free society
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaH-lGafwtE#
www.wholetruthcoalition.org
www.truthforum.co.uk
www.checktheevidence.com
www.newhorizonsstannes.com
www.tpuc.org
www.cpexposed.com
www.thebcgroup.org.uk
www.fmotl.com |
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Hazzard Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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What a load of nonsense. This is all starting so fast. This has been the plan for a while im sure. _________________ Since when? |
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Martin Conner Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently, Chavez is looking at Russia to supplement his military. I read somewhere that he purchased a hundred thousand AK 103 or AK 47 Kalishnakov assault rifles.
I also read he is considering an incentive scheme to enrol women and the unemployed into military service. _________________ In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.
http://www.altruists.org/ |
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