while meecher did vote fot the invasion of Iraq and also has bought at least a dozen house as buy to lets. Making him a baddie.
He did at one stage appear on TV speaking out against the official 7/7 story. And to my knowledge is the only mp to have expressed 911 truthish views.
Mcdonald is a hard leftie but at least is anti war so hopefully he does well enough to give Gordon the Moron a bloody nose.
There's nothing that the White House loves more than anti war, anti 9/11er's. And they just love it when they see 9/11er's snuggling up with the Trots and Respect and other 'benign' 9/11 sceptic groups thinking that they are fellow travellers.
THEY ARE FOOKING NOTHING OF THE KIND - THEY ARE THE PRINCIPAL INSTRUMENT OF DESTRUCTION OF THE 9/11 MOVEMENT
There's nothing that the White House loves more than anti war, anti 9/11er's. And they just love it when they see 9/11er's snuggling up with the Trots and Respect and other 'benign' 9/11 sceptic groups thinking that they are fellow travellers.
THEY ARE FOOKING NOTHING OF THE KIND - THEY ARE THE PRINCIPAL INSTRUMENT OF DESTRUCTION OF THE 9/11 MOVEMENT
Could you explain, Pincher? _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
The idea that the New Labour Party is to have some kind of meaningful leadership contest is a joke.
It is nothing more that a crafted illusion of choice.
Going through the motions to placate their own narcissistic vision of internal democracy and for the punters at large, a false drama to bat away any criticism of Gordon "New World Order" Brown automatically inheriting Princess Tony's crown, even though that is what we have been told for the last 10 years.
Pulease rethink any notion you may still be clinging onto regarding Landlord Meecher's false start in the 9/11 ring, which he has just repeated in the erm "leadership contest".
Pincher's point I suspect is related to mariginalisation by association. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
There's nothing that the White House loves more than anti war, anti 9/11er's. And they just love it when they see 9/11er's snuggling up with the Trots and Respect and other 'benign' 9/11 sceptic groups thinking that they are fellow travellers.
THEY ARE FOOKING NOTHING OF THE KIND - THEY ARE THE PRINCIPAL INSTRUMENT OF DESTRUCTION OF THE 9/11 MOVEMENT
Could you explain, Pincher?
Don't you remember the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Don't you remember your reaction when you were told it was AL Qaeda wot done it? More specifically, don't you remember the reaction of leftydom and of the PC brigade? Well, if you don't, please allow me to refresh your memory. Their reaction ran something like this:
The US deserved 9/11 because of their worldwide oppression of Muslims (just in case you're a little sceptical of my recollections, allow me also to remind you of a special edition of 'Question Time' when the US Ambassador burst into tears when harangued with this tosh).
Of course, once you've adopted a position like this and closed your mind to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job, well it's a bit hard to change it isn't it? Suddenly 3,000 'justly executed' vicious imperialists (mainly receptionists, cleaners, elevator attendants and other high ranking potentates) are transfigured into, horror of horrors, VICTIMS.
Now a lot of radical organisations took up and ran with the 'serves you lousy Yanks jolly well right' line even though some of their well connected, well adjusted (relatively speaking!) fellow travellers were more than a little suspicious. And, in the UK at least, no one has been more vociferously 'serves you right' than the SWP (with Paul Foot being the POSSIBLE honourable exception - I've often wondered whether there was more to the late 'Leninspart's' heart attack at Stansted Airport than good ol' natural causes) and RESPECT.
Now I could go for a slow walk down a long, dark tangent about the SWP and their sister organisation in the US (International Socialists) and the other 57 varieties of Trotskyism. But all I'll say for now is that they are all a load of CIA stooges whose principal task is to destroy any radical, popular movement that is perceived by their handlers as a threat to the West with their sly, ideological casuistry.
As far as the war in Iraq is concerned it is too late to stop it. The 'proper' war was 'won' by the 'Western Infidels' in 2003. What we have now is a phoney war. A CIA funded and organised Sunni insurgency and a CIA funded and organised Shia resistance beating the nonsense out of each other. The US/UK military presence is there largely to spectate, occasionally referee, and to take casualties to make it all look real.
Now that the area of Bahgdad symbolising (corrupt) government authority, the so-called Green Zone,(even I was taken in by those elections - you've got to hand to the Exxonisti!) is being penetrated at will by the militants, the real grand plan for Iraq becomes clear: to smash it to bits.
Anybody who thinks that ending the occupation will stop the internecine massacres is living in cloud cuckoo land. And please, don't insult my intelligence by saying that the Trots, RESPECT and the Not-In-My-Name mob are THAT concerned about the welfare of 'our boys.'. After all, that would mean another 180 on that other urban myth of theirs: it's our squaddy roadside bomb fodder that's murdering most of the Muslims!
You see Craig, you cannot understand the 'war' in Iraq unless you accept that it is all part of a Mossad wizard wheeze (dreamt up by Israeli 'journalist', Oded Yinon, in 1979) wrapped up in the Bonesman wizard wheeze that we know as 9/11.
All those that banged the drum that 9/11 was 'natural justice' and who now scream through their megaphones that there is a conventional war in Iraq that can be ended simply by troop withdrawal are accessories (unwitting or otherwise) to this whole sordid affair. Their affected ignorance serves to increase public incredulity that 9/11 was the result of a conspiracy and prevents the population from ever understanding what 'the war' was really all about.
In any case, EVERYONE'S anti war now. Well, nearly everyone. Soon even Mr Giuliani will be. And now that the great 'Moral Majoritarian', Jerry Falwell has been retired (good to know that the spooks still go after their own side too!) we can look forward to the Great Rudolfo (or possibly a less haggered, secular, 'liberal' Republican) getting the keys to the White House at the end of next year. Sticks in your craw that most New Yorkers still consider him a hero doesn't it?
And ALL those who peddle the line that AL Qaeda did 9/11 must shoulder the blame for perpetuating that mindset - especially the poxy Trots...
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and now McDonnel's failed in securing his 42 (?) votes, so Brown is becoming Labour leader without contest _________________ UK-based alternative news site:
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This is a great post, Pincher. Rich in thought-provoking details and demontstrating a comprehensive understanding of the black arts at work in 911, Iraq and the phoney opposition movements. I’m really glad I asked you to elaborate. Thank you and apologies for my tardy reply. I have added some responses below.
Pincher wrote:
Craig W wrote:
Pincher wrote:
Stelios,
There's nothing that the White House loves more than anti war, anti 9/11er's. And they just love it when they see 9/11er's snuggling up with the Trots and Respect and other 'benign' 9/11 sceptic groups thinking that they are fellow travellers.
THEY ARE FOOKING NOTHING OF THE KIND - THEY ARE THE PRINCIPAL INSTRUMENT OF DESTRUCTION OF THE 9/11 MOVEMENT
Could you explain, Pincher?
Don't you remember the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Don't you remember your reaction when you were told it was AL Qaeda wot done it? More specifically, don't you remember the reaction of leftydom and of the PC brigade? Well, if you don't, please allow me to refresh your memory. Their reaction ran something like this:
The US deserved 9/11 because of their worldwide oppression of Muslims (just in case you're a little sceptical of my recollections, allow me also to remind you of a special edition of 'Question Time' when the US Ambassador burst into tears when harangued with this tosh).
Of course, once you've adopted a position like this and closed your mind to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job, well it's a bit hard to change it isn't it? Suddenly 3,000 'justly executed' vicious imperialists (mainly receptionists, cleaners, elevator attendants and other high ranking potentates) are transfigured into, horror of horrors, VICTIMS.
Now a lot of radical organisations took up and ran with the 'serves you lousy Yanks jolly well right' line even though some of their well connected, well adjusted (relatively speaking!) fellow travellers were more than a little suspicious. And, in the UK at least, no one has been more vociferously 'serves you right' than the SWP (with Paul Foot being the POSSIBLE honourable exception - I've often wondered whether there was more to the late 'Leninspart's' heart attack at Stansted Airport than good ol' natural causes) and RESPECT.
Now I could go for a slow walk down a long, dark tangent about the SWP and their sister organisation in the US (International Socialists) and the other 57 varieties of Trotskyism. But all I'll say for now is that they are all a load of CIA stooges whose principal task is to destroy any radical, popular movement that is perceived by their handlers as a threat to the West with their sly, ideological casuistry.
I think you've nailed them!
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As far as the war in Iraq is concerned it is too late to stop it. The 'proper' war was 'won' by the 'Western Infidels' in 2003. What we have now is a phoney war. A CIA funded and organised Sunni insurgency and a CIA funded and organised Shia resistance beating the nonsense out of each other. The US/UK military presence is there largely to spectate, occasionally referee, and to take casualties to make it all look real.
An excellent summary.
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Now that the area of Bahgdad symbolising (corrupt) government authority, the so-called Green Zone,(even I was taken in by those elections - you've got to hand to the Exxonisti!) is being penetrated at will by the militants, the real grand plan for Iraq becomes clear: to smash it to bits.
It would appear so, contrary to all this nonsense in the MSM about how the US is losing the war (as if it wasn't going to plan). The real plan appears to be the Balkanization of the country for the purposes of divide and rule and possibly to justify a long-term US/UK military presence which could be useful for other matters (both military and geopolitical).
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Anybody who thinks that ending the occupation will stop the internecine massacres is living in cloud cuckoo land.
I'm not sure I understand this point given your earlier claims that the civil war was basically the CIA v the CIA.
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And please, don't insult my intelligence by saying that the Trots, RESPECT and the Not-In-My-Name mob are THAT concerned about the welfare of 'our boys.'. After all, that would mean another 180 on that other urban myth of theirs: it's our squaddy roadside bomb fodder that's murdering most of the Muslims!
You see Craig, you cannot understand the 'war' in Iraq unless you accept that it is all part of a Mossad wizard wheeze (dreamt up by Israeli 'journalist', Oded Yinon, in 1979) wrapped up in the Bonesman wizard wheeze that we know as 9/11.
Brilliant. I’m with you 100% there, dude!
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All those that banged the drum that 9/11 was 'natural justice' and who now scream through their megaphones that there is a conventional war in Iraq that can be ended simply by troop withdrawal are accessories (unwitting or otherwise) to this whole sordid affair. Their affected ignorance serves to increase public incredulity that 9/11 was the result of a conspiracy and prevents the population from ever understanding what 'the war' was really all about.
That is an interesting angle.
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In any case, EVERYONE'S anti war now. Well, nearly everyone. Soon even Mr Giuliani will be. And now that the great 'Moral Majoritarian', Jerry Falwell has been retired (good to know that the spooks still go after their own side too!) we can look forward to the Great Rudolfo (or possibly a less haggered, secular, 'liberal' Republican) getting the keys to the White House at the end of next year. Sticks in your craw that most New Yorkers still consider him a hero doesn't it?
Absolutely!
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And ALL those who peddle the line that AL Qaeda did 9/11 must shoulder the blame for perpetuating that mindset - especially the poxy Trots...
They are either fools or assets imo. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Anybody who thinks that ending the occupation will stop the internecine massacres is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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I'm not sure I understand this point given your earlier claims that the civil war was basically the CIA v the CIA. [quote]
The point that I was trying to make here (badly) is that a formal withdrawal of American troops will not end the Sunni/Shia massacres.
The troops are required for the reasons mentioned earlier. Others observe that the recent surge in troop numbers co incided with the Hydro Carbon laws currently before the Iraqi parliament that will grant the oil majors a 75/25 split of revenues over the next 30 years (the numbers differ according to what sources you read).
A recent announcement given much publicity was the 'discovery' of substantial oil deposits in Western Iraq. It is worth noting that these 'depositis' are in the Sunni dominated area of the country and that up until now it has been 'unguided' Sunni elements (including remnants of the old Baath regime) that have most fiercely resisted the creeping federalist agenda.
From where I stand the oil 'finds' looks like a little trick to get them to accept a 'federal' Iraq
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