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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Update on NIST files RFC's re WTC Report Reply with quote

NIST has posted to its website Judy Wood's RFC Supplement # 2.


http://www.ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandPrograms/Information_Quality/PRO D01_002619

The second supplement references the False Claims Act, under which Qui Tam lawsuits can be filed, under seal. The supplement includes the verbatim text of the Statement of EMT Patricia Ondrovic, who personally witnessed cars exploding and who saw unidentified flying objects and who knew, full well, that she was witnessing what she called a "military operation." See heavily redacted pg 13 of Ondrovic's statement, Exhibit A of Supplement #2.

Patricia's statement is noteworthy because it is heavily redacted in an area where she was seemingly describing the destructive effects then taking place, which she knew and stated to be military.

Supplement #2 further refers to the fact that several witness statements are redacted, like Ondrovic's, and that NIST needs to take into consideration the full content of the redacted statements, the failure of which simply confirms Wood's claims of fraud.

The Supplement also makes the point that the content of the statements flatly contradict NIST's phony NCSTAR 1 report.

Posting of portions of or otherwise referencing Supplement #2 in discussion forums is encouraged. It runs 28 pages because much of it includes the verbatim statement of EMT Patricia Ondrovic. When mentioning Ondrovic, it is also important to mention that Killtown did a follow-up interview with Ms. Ondrovic and may still maintain contact with her. This is an excellent contact for the truth movement to have.

See: http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside -wtc.html

Judy's Supplement #2 was filed after the public announcement of the RFC filing signed by Dr. Jones and others. Yet, the website still does not contain any reference to the Jones RFC.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proof if further proof is needed that we are living in very, very strange times.

An emergency responder provides testimony of what she witnessed at the scene of the 9/11 crime and yet her statement for public consumption is censored.

We the public are not allowed to read the full details of what she has to say about what she saw and heard.

If one was of a sceptical persuasion one would be forgiven for thinking that all is not well with our world.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why doesn't this surprise me??
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny timing as Steve Jones releases a new paper with interestign dust analysis. The 'toasted cars' are also given a mention.

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't checked Jones' latest. This is from P27 (P75) of the linked PDF:


Some of the vehicles evidently burst into flames which could account for damage seen, but
remember the steel cup corrosion? When you put sulfur into thermite it makes the steel melt at a much
lower temperature, so instead of melting at about 1538 °C it melts at approximately 988 °C, and you
get sulfidation and oxidation in the attacked steel and you expect this type of pattern. These corroded
vehicles provide still more data from the WTC that are consistent with our experiments with thermate,
and with the growing body of evidence that aluminothermics helped bring down the Towers and WTC
7. We are seeking samples of the corrosion/residues on these vehicles, to test for thermite residues to
check our hypothesis. Unfortunately, it appears that these vehicles (like nearly all of the WTC steel)
have already been destroyed/re-cycled making this analysis impossible.


This is quite peculiar. 2 points which come to mind:

1) Thermate is, I believe, an incendiary NOT a corrosive agent.
2) Let's suppose it IS a corrosive agent,

a) then who spread it on the cars in the parking lot?
b) who put in on FDR drive?
c) how come many of the engine blocks burned out? To get that to happen, you'd need something something like this (about 3 minutes or so into this clip).


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It's quite difficult to ignite too!

Prof Jones has 2 pictures of toasted cars (one of which still has the seats - upholstered - in the car P26 (P74) of the PDF)

Prof Wood has many more:

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam5.html

I counted over 20 different images

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just watching a video tonight on the Hidden Secrets of Nikola Tesla which stated he took this handheld battery-operated device along to a steel-framed skyscraper that was under construction in New York. It was a resonator of some kind, and he aimed the beam of this at one of the still exposed steel girders, and the whole structure shook and seemed near to collapse. The workers onsite thought that an earthquake was occurring.
And this from a battery-operated device.
And this was 60 years ago
Just a thought

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew,

You say he only has two pictures but fail to mention that he mentions thousands of cars. How did it get on the cars, well one would think in the dust clouds. Can you point me towards the burnt out engines as that would be interesting. Either way, the towers diodn't fall from fires and plane damage.

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We also did this experiment: we cut through a steel cup with thermate. Thermate is defined here as thermite with sulfur added, and in this case we also added potassium permanganate because KMnO4 is such a good oxidizer. The evidence of high temperature corrosion was evident.

For a while now I have been pointing out that there were about 1000 cars near the World Trade Center that were corroded very strangely on 9/11/2001 – additional data. This corrosion occurred often on the car tops, yet the car interiors showed no signs of fire damage in some cases.

Some of the vehicles evidently burst into flames which could account for damage seen, but remember the steel cup corrosion? When you put sulfur into thermite it makes the steel melt at a much lower temperature, so instead of melting at about 1538 °C it melts at approximately 988 °C, and you get sulfidation and oxidation in the attacked steel and you expect this type of pattern. These corroded vehicles provide still more data from the WTC that are consistent with our experiments with thermate, and with the growing body of evidence that aluminothermics helped bring down the Towers and WTC 7. We are seeking samples of the corrosion/residues on these vehicles, to test for thermite residues tocheck our hypothesis. Unfortunately, it appears that these vehicles (like nearly all of the WTC steel) have already been destroyed/re-cycled making this analysis impossible.

An independent laboratory reported high-temperature sulfidation and oxidation – consistent with if not indicative of thermate-caused corrosion – in steel samples taken from the rubble at WTC 7 and the WTC Towers:Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible…The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 [WTC7] and 2 [Towers] are a very unusual event. No
clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the "dust cloud heat" is that the heat dissipates as the cloud does. As has been seen on many videos (loose change included) PEOPLE were in the dust cloud and DID NOT GET BURNED! Here are the "disappeared" engine blocks.


Figure firetruck. A badly damaged fire truck. Where did its engine go? The bottom of the tire has turned to goo below a distinct horizontal line in the tire.


Figure yy. The cars parked in the back suffered extensive damage. The car on the left and on the far right look like they have had their engines eaten. The cars in the foreground experienced less damage, but many windows are missing, however partial and whole windows also remain.
(9/12/01)



There are, if you look at all the pictures, noticeable differences between cars with ordinary wheels and those with alloy wheels (i.e. not steel). These cars are in bad shape compared to their surviving alloy wheels for example


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