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Andrew Johnson
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: Mon14May - LONDON - an evening with Annie Machon |
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evening with ex-M15 intelligence officer
Annie
Machon
Monday
14th May,
7.00 pm
at
Mahatma
Gandhi Hall
Indian
YMCA
41
Fitzroy Square, London
W1
Warren
St or Great Portland St tube
Annie
Machon is the former colleague and partner of whistleblower David Shayler and
author of ‘Spies, Lies & Whistleblowers’ (Book Guild, 2005)
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The
intelligence agencies exist to serve the national interest and protect us from
terrorism, yet there is evidence that they themselves have been complicit in
terrorist acts. Why aren’t the press and media onto this? Why are those asking
intelligent questions and pointing out anomalies in the official story of 9/11
labelled ‘conspiracy theorists’ by the BBC and others? Who is trying to
cover up what, and why?
British
& Irish 9/11 Truth Campaign (London)
www.911truthcampaign.net
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londonsound
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Hi Annie
I'd love to record and podcast this. more or less uncut.
1) is that gonna be OK?
2) will there be mic's and a desk to get a feed from (any body know?)
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Annie
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Hi Mykal
I'm OK with it being recorded, but the London group may have other plans. Also, I'm afraid that I don't know what the technical arrangements are. Stefan? Andy?
Regards
Annie
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Mykal, that will be fine. We will have a PA system so probably best to have your mike near the speaker but don't envisage any problems.
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Stefan
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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This is looking to be a good one guys!
Anyone who's seen Annie speak before (as I'm sure most of us have) will knows she gives polished, though provoking monolouges with the ease which most of us tie our shoelaces and we can expect an excellent evening from this alone.
Beyond that we will also have a short 9/11 related fiction/fact film "False Flags" by film maker Dean Puckett, who is also currently working on what is is shaping up to be an epic "human story" documentary on the UK truth movement.
You can catch the trailer at his MySpace here: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&frien did=126602243&MyToken=5359c2d6-c9ee-408a-9ca0-0f65233054d2
So two for the price of one.
And when that price is £0.00 you can't really loose!
Anyone in London or surrounding area come along, and bring as many friends as you can. See you there!
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I will definitely be there. I hope the room is full! |
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londonsound
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| andyb wrote: | | probably best to have your mike near the speaker but don't envisage any problems. |
Stick my mic near to the speaker? do you mean Annie or a big black box? 
Either way a feed from the desk would be ideal. I'll come early with a variety of cables and hope for the best.
thanks andy
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Wow, I was really impressed and encourage by the turnout I am not sure about everyone else, but its looking very promising.
Hopefully we can maintain momentum.
Thanks again Annie  ) |
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Well done annie
i thought it was a compelling listen and a moving and inspiring story.
can't wait to podcast it.
thanks to everyone who works hard to make these happen.
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especially the leaflet production and distribution people. Those individuals are priceless!
Speaking of which, I need to do some production and distribution of my own. At the moment, I have only done it electronically. |
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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This was the first one of our eveneings I would really call a great success, and not just becuase the hall was full and Annie's Speech was terrific. We also had good variety, with Dean's film and Dave's poem giving the evening depth. Well done to all three of them.
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SHERITON HOTEL
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Tragically I missed this, glad to hear it was well attended and went well (no riots), will it be on youtube or google video?
Had I been able to attend I meant to ask whether Annie knew anything about this NORAD/FAA story revision, as I understand it NORAD are NOW saying that the FAA didn't contact them on 9/11. Does this mean the famous ... scramble some f16's'... FAA/NORAD tape was faked? |
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| Zabooka wrote: | Wow, I was really impressed and encourage by the turnout I am not sure about everyone else, but its looking very promising.
Hopefully we can maintain momentum.
Thanks again Annie ) |
I agree Z especially considering the publicity / leafletting for this event was pretty minimal. |
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: Thanks Stefan |
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THANK YOU STEFAN
yes i thought it was a good night. I feel as if my film and daves poem set it up really well for Annie and was the freshest evening ive been to in london anyway. I might get critisised for this but the only thing that brought the night down is people insisting on ranting on about things when they are meant to be asking questions. If you ask a question it is meant to be just that. too many use these events to grand stand about other issues. which in some cases is fine but keep it short and sweet please! Any way i hope you all enjoyed my film and i found Annies talk very enlightening. |
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Stefan
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Me and a few others had skulked off to plan some fundraisng ideas when the Q&A started, so I can't comment explicitly on this part of the evening.
But I think what we are seeing is that for a lot of the new faces who have become repeat attenders of the public meetings this is their first chance to voice things they've been thinking for ages and are seeing a Q&A as a chance to get it all off their chests.
This should lead in nicly to an "open mic" public meeting which has been discussed, whereby established members will give a few short ten/five minute talks then hand it over to the public.
Regarding the film- I thought the only swearing in it was appropriate and in context, but that's the thing about art; there's no such thing as a "correct" judgement of taste. Different strokes for different folks.
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Although I wasn't there I have found the Q+A's to be somewhat dominated by people pushing their thoughts, not allowing some of the newer attendees to ask pertinent questions. I'm sure things will improve. Perhaps we limit the questions then allow people can come up at the end and speak individually to organisers about what they wnat to get off their chest.
Re too much swearing in the film. Tony, what planet are you living on, just walk down any street and you'll hear this language regularly. Rufmouth had swearing in his poem, should we censor him too?
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It`s great to hear the meeting was well attended,
there is a great awakening going on, not just
within this campaign. , which is one element.
I went to the previous two London meetings, but i`ve become
disillusioned by the intolerance shown by certain people in the
`truth` movement. Having spent many years trying
to open people`s eyes to the conspiracies going
on in the world, i`m not going to be told what is
or is not acceptable to discuss, what is a "truth
controversy" and what is not - particularly by
people who don`t know a bean about secret
societies and how they operate and manipulate.
Who are oblivious to the technologies they have
at their disposal, and ridicule those who try to point this out.
This also coincides with my evergrowing distrust
of the Professors Jones and Griffin. Research
the story of cold fusion suppression for pete`s
sake. Why is Griffin unaware of Skull
and Bones, and trying to blame 911 on Cheney?
. I`m not gonna be campaigning for a `limited
hangout`, and be led astray by psyops - when
we are entering the final days of
a conflict between good and evil which has been
going on for thousands of years.
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| andyb wrote: | | Although I wasn't there I have found the Q+A's to be somewhat dominated by people pushing their thoughts, not allowing some of the newer attendees to ask pertinent questions. |
Yes that. I wanted to pull my hair out.
I thought Belinda spoke very well introducing it mind. |
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| Martin J wrote: | It`s great to hear the meeting was well attended,
there is a great awakening going on, not just
within this campaign. , which is one element.
I went to the previous two London meetings, but i`ve become
disillusioned by the intolerance shown by certain people in the
`truth` movement. Having spent many years trying
to open people`s eyes to the conspiracies going
on in the world, i`m not going to be told what is
or is not acceptable to discuss, what is a "truth
controversy" and what is not - particularly by
people who don`t know a bean about secret
societies and how they operate and manipulate.
Who are oblivious to the technologies they have
at their disposal, and ridicule those who try to point this out.
This also coincides with my evergrowing distrust
of the Professors Jones and Griffin. Research
the story of cold fusion suppression for pete`s
sake. Why is Griffin unaware of Skull
and Bones, and trying to blame 911 on Cheney?
. I`m not gonna be campaigning for a `limited
hangout`, and be led astray by psyops - when
we are entering the final days of
a conflict between good and evil which has been
going on for thousands of years.
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Martin,
This is becoming a much repeated debate and it really does hinge on an understanding of a very simple distinction:
There is a difference between a campaign and a persons individual views on the world.
A lot of people have placed 9/11 as a point on a map they have been drawing for years, and want this campaign to be the “what I’ve been thinking and saying forever, incorporating 9/11, truth campaign”. The implication is that “if this campaign does not incorporate all my views on the world, then it’s intolerant”, whereas in reality this view is intolerant – it expects everyone to toe the line to what you think.
The idea of limiting the scope I will outline further below, but ultimately it leaves us with the parts of this picture which we all agree on, and leaves freedom of thought for individual members own ideas within their own personal world view. More so, what we are in the process of trying to do is to start a coherent and effective campaign.
A campaign has specific aims and a specific focus, or it fails. There may be, for example, many people within the campaign for nuclear disarmament who also, personally, believe Bohemian Grove or Skull and Bones should be exposed. But they would recognise that while these groups are no doubt related, in a “bigger picture” sense to all things to do with world events, that such rhetoric does not belong as a part of their campaign. No one within CND is going to stop them going off and joining a group that campaigns on those issues in a personal capacity, no one is going to stop them speaking about it when not under the CND banner. They recognise the distinction between their own beliefs and the strategy of the campaign they are working for and they run with it.
If we want to make an impact and work together on a campaign, we have to set some ground we are going to work on, it makes sense that we chose to focus on material which achieves three goals:
1) Is material which a member of the public who has no political knowledge can see relates to 9/11 without a years worth of reading in preparation.
2) Is the easiest to digest and most factual and backed up by sources so as to be most accessible to the public.
3) Is material which everyone within the campaign agrees on so as to be coordinated and harmonious in our efforts.
Therefore we avoid theories and stick with facts, simple points which can be demonstrated in a paragraph and not a library of books; things no one can disagree with if they open their eyes.
The simple fact is, for you Skull and Bones did this, for others Zionists, for others Neo-Cons, for me – I don’t know who did this but believe all of the previously mentioned groups had some connection. Therefore none of these view points meet requirement 3). We can also not prove these theories meaning it misses requirement 2) and it broadens the ask we are making on the un-read public; makes the demand on them so great that they cannot possibly be convinced or even coaxed towards being intrigued without extended and exhaustive reading, this misses point 1).
The reason 9/11 is so important is because it is a major event EVERYONE knows about, the least read most consumer obsessed OC fan to the most researched secret society expert. By exposing 9/11 as an inside job the knock on effect will be that people will question everything they have been told and trust in the MSM will essentially erode into nothing.
This is essential creating a Blank Canvass for Change.
What goes on that canvass? Well that’s another story, but ultimately if you have conviction what you believe is true, then the truth will out and we will see your picture emerge.
If you believe Skull and Bones did this, people will come to this view, but not until we have a canvas for that to be painted on.
If you believe thermite was involved. Ditto. Direct Energy Weapons? Ditto. TV Fakery? Ditto.
But none of these complex ideas are going to open peoples eyes in the first place. I really think a lot of people get stuck in the bubble and could do with a few weeks public campaigning to realise what the limits are to how much new information someone can take at once, and how set in their conditioned ways people are. This is who our audience is.
Think what you want to think, and talk about what you want to talk about. But if you want the best chance of change, you will join the Campaign. An ORGANISED, WELL PLANNED CAMPAIGN and think smart about how best to actually bring this message out.
Leave teaching them to run the marathon until after they’ve learnt to crawl.
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: |
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yeah, great points Stefan. There are many other ares of concern but we are the 9/11 truth campaign. We shouldn't muddy the waters as time is of utmost importance.
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Me too, i could not agree more with your points Stefan. However, I just hope people would learn to listen more to others. This way everyone gets to be heard and gets their piece.
If everyone just focuses on saying their piece or defending their right to an opinion, no-one will have their opinions protected or expressed and no one will be heard.
I was also with the bunch that went for that mini-meeting on planning fund raising operations straight as the Q&A started. I would still love to be able to hear what was said, seemed to have gone on for a nice while, with still quite a few people seated and listening.
I really hope that everyone felt a little more inspired and more encouraged to be able to publicly talk about such issues in their own circles, of family, friends, work, community, etc, etc. |
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well said stefan,
I spent last night editing annie's great talk for my podcast. the amount of Q & A stuff i had to "deep six" to keep it tight and coherent was a little alarming.
Especially since i had to miss ugly betty to get it done.
If they ran't on irrelevant they get canned. (apart from the american dude who was just too entertaining!)
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Not Kenyon, again? I may bring a dictionary next time and show him the meaning of question, unless of course he is under the assumption it is him providing the answers? 
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podcast of annie's brilliant talk available here
http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=23190
you can subscribe to the podcast from itunes or odeo.com
some waffle from the floor "deep sixed". hush
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