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| TonyGosling wrote: |
The stuff in the news today about Prince Harry.... is also interesting is it not? I have been running a campaign on Bilderberg.org (see http://www.bilderberg.org/nwo2007.htm) as have others to persuade Prince Harry not to go....
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If he did go he'd get an office job in the green zone or in a Basra bunker so i really wouldn't worry.
I also heard Mi6 have been grooming "Harry doubles" for this explicit purpose. This leaves him and his bro free to play polo at Sandringham and regularly appear on the front of the NoNews of the Whirrled pissed out their faces groping some nubile totty.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| TonyGosling wrote: |
Yes, it's oh so trendy to have a go at the young Royals to encourage jealousy and divide and rule the British people.
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Just trying to inject some humour into a farcical situation Tony. How can we look at this situation in any other way?
On one hand you're saying there's an occult hidden hand in New labour and on the other you're saying that we can influence whether a royal prince goes to war or not.
He will not go. It's obvious. If he does go he'll be given a 'special assignment' in a bunker with a few fake action PR shots. If I am right you give me your Bilderberg domain name for a year 
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Harry should go and do the job he is being public money to do.
Whether the troops should be there in the first place is of course a different question. |
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From the AP Wires we get this predictable situation...
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Tony G. PM'd me and said he would give me his Bilderberg domain name for a year. I'm ready with domain transfer details.
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General: Prince Harry won't go to Iraq By DANICA KIRKA, Associated Press Writer
LONDON - Britain's Prince Harry will not be sent with his unit to Iraq, Britain's top general said Wednesday, citing specific threats to the third in line to the throne and the risks to his fellow soldiers.
Gen. Sir Richard Dannatt, the army chief of staff who recently traveled to Iraq, said the changing situation on the ground exposed the prince to too much danger. Media scrutiny of Harry's potential deployment exacerbated the situation, he said.
"There have been a number of specific threats, some reported and some not reported, that relate directly to Prince Harry as an individual," Dannatt said. "These threats exposed him and those around him to a degree of risk I considered unacceptable."
Clarence House, the office of Harry's father, Prince Charles, issued a statement declaring Harry's disappointment that "he will not be able to go to Iraq with his troop deployment as he had hoped."
"He fully understands Gen. Dannatt's difficult decision and remains committed to his army career," the statement said. "Prince Harry's thoughts are with the rest of the battle group in Iraq.
The Defense Ministry had long said the decision would be kept under review amid concerns for the security of Harry, a second lieutenant, and other soldiers serving with him. The 22-year-old prince is a tank commander trained to lead a 12-man team in four armored reconnaissance vehicles.
The move comes as Britain is preparing to hand over much of its security responsibilities to Iraqi security forces, concentrating troops at Basra Palace and Basra Air Base.
Insurgent groups looking to target Cornet Wales — as his rank is called in the Blues and Royals regiment — would have had a concentrated area in which to look for him.
Defense officials had previously said Harry could be kept out of situations where his presence could jeopardize his comrades. There had been speculation he would have been shadowed by bodyguards.
"A contributing factor to this increase in threat to Prince Harry has been the widespread knowledge and discussion of his possible deployment," Dannatt said.
Harry would have been the first member of the British royal family to serve in a war zone since his uncle, Prince Andrew, flew as a helicopter pilot in the Falklands conflict with Argentina in 1982.
There have been reported threats by Iraqi insurgents to kill or kidnap the prince, including claims his photograph had been widely circulated among militants.
The younger son of Charles and the late Princess Diana, Harry has been a frequent face on the front of Britain's tabloid newspapers, which have constantly covered his party-going lifestyle at glitzy London nightclubs.
Harry would have been the first member of the British royal family to serve in a war zone since his uncle, Prince Andrew, flew as a helicopter pilot in the Falklands conflict with Argentina in 1982.
There have been reported threats by Iraqi insurgents to kill or kidnap the prince, including claims his photograph had been widely circulated among militants.
The younger son of the late Princess Diana, Harry has been a frequent face on the front of Britain's tabloid newspapers, which have constantly covered his party-going lifestyle at glitzy London nightclubs.
Dannatt paid tribute to Harry in his statement, describing him has a professional soldier whose presence will be missed in Iraq.
"I commend him for his determination and his undoubted talent, and I don't say that lightly," Dannatt said. "His soldiers will miss his leadership in Iraq, although I know his commanding officer will provide a highly capable substitute troop leader." |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | In your disutopiated dreams - the fact is that Harry doesn't want his comrades' mates lives to be at risk without his own. His honour and true grit in this situation however is misplaced for the three reasons I mentioned above.
Yes, it's oh so trendy to have a go at the young Royals to encourage jealousy and divide and rule the British people. |
Honour? What honour has this lad shown? He has made his position clear in the past, but when it comes to the crunch what happens? He doesn't resign his commission does he? Unlike most, he'll not struggle to pay the gas bill at the end of the quarter if he does.
This lad has taken from the tax payers from the day he was born. If Royals are not to be deployed in combat they have no business wearing a uniform.
I admired his public determination to go, but him not resigning his commission and taking the "following orders" route deserves a white feather. Not least for the brave men and women who had no option but to go and came back in wooden boxes. |
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Just a thought.
Any possible problem, reaction, solution link to the Navy & Royal Marines personnel being "seized" in March ?
I mean, what got me thinking about this was that today's media was repeating the mantra about the extreme danger associated with Harry being kidnapped, not killed, that didn't seem to be as much of a potential problem as the immense damage that his capture would cause the UK.
Was the March "seizure" a primer for public opinion on this ?
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Just a thought.
Any possible problem, reaction, solution link to the Navy & Royal Marines personnel being "seized" in March ?
I mean, what got me thinking about this was that today's media was repeating the mantra about the extreme danger associated with Harry being kidnapped, not killed, that didn't seem to be as much of a potential problem as the immense damage that his capture would cause the UK.
Was the March "seizure" a primer for public opinion on this ? |
Nah, the March seizure was the pretext for the invasion of Iran which got scuppered when they were sent home with presents and dodgy suits.  |
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Prince Harry passed out as an Officer at Sandhurst on 12.4.2006
General Dannatt declared that Harry would go to Iraq on 30 April 2007, on the day that marked 1 year and 19 days into Harry's Officer career.
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| So why was HMS Cornwall stood off far away from where they were picked up. I thought that ordinary matelots (as we all presumed they were) were under the protection of a RN warship within a very short distance. Only special forces, SAS or SBS are permitted to stray at their own discretion, for whatever reason, outside that area. |
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Indeed Wokeman, good question.
There is also the tiny, probably insignificant and wholly coincidental matter of the exact 10,000 day interval between the "seizure" of the American Embassy hostages by the Iranians on 4.11.1979, you know the event that helped to sink Carter and his peace initiatives and herald in the arch marionette Reagan and the "seizure" of the UK Navy & Royal Marines on 23.3.2007
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| TonyGosling wrote: |
Not even this faceless mind-controlled lizard-brain zomboid can normally multitask two lies into one posting
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Obviously hit a nerve here. Going back on the deal then I guess. So much for the movement for 'truth' eh?
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This decision was neither expected nor predictable
A bit of real news for a change - this one was definitely in the balance and Mossad will now have a much, much harder job blaming his death on an arab.
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Yup - good call. Although there was no call. Nor any debate. You've been suckered ToneOid. Now tootle off back to reading Hello magazine.
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| Busker wrote: | | the brave men and women who had no option but to go and came back in wooden boxes. |
They were conscripted??!!!!! |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Busker wrote: | | the brave men and women who had no option but to go and came back in wooden boxes. |
They were conscripted??!!!!! |
Some are conscripted by poverty and lack of opportunity. Ask people like Rose Gentle who has more information than I do on this. Why do you think armed forces recruiters concentrate on lower income schools and areas?
Harry has choices not available to others. He has made a mistake not resigning his commission. |
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| Quote: | | Some are conscripted by poverty and lack of opportunity |
That'll be some then. So some will see it as a career choice even though they are not poor. Like many I know of. Like many from middle class homes. In any event they DO have a choice. To say they "have no option" is incorrect. I know of many extremely poor people who would NEVER join the military on principle. They exercise their CHOICE!!! |
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I was talking to a couple of young lads a while back who had chosen to join the military.
Neither were from a deprived area, in fact both lived in a very wealthy area, typically rural middle class and both well educated.
One of them was very aware of the alternative narrative regarding 9/11 and the probability that 19 hijackers didn't do it.
When I challenged him on why, if he knew that the causus belli was quite probably a pack of lies, did he still want to go and join the fray he said it was because it was what he had always wanted to do, he had set his heart on it as a young teenager and had worked towards that goal ever since.
Our conversation included the fact that he would quite probably have to kill other human beings and live with that for the rest of his life he responded that in a theatre of war it is "kill or be killed".
Agreed, I said, nobody would question that, but, I pointed out that you are not in that theatre yet, you are choosing to go into it and place yourself in that danger, where you will indeed have to kill of be killed and all on a false pretence that was 9/11.
His response:
Well, it's what I've always wanted to do, so I'm going to do it.
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| blackcat wrote: | | That'll be some then. So some will see it as a career choice even though they are not poor. Like many I know of. Like many from middle class homes. In any event they DO have a choice. To say they "have no option" is incorrect. I know of many extremely poor people who would NEVER join the military on principle. They exercise their CHOICE!!! |
They have no option but to go if they want to stay in the military is probably a more accurate way of putting it. Harry has. He hasn't got to think about fighting to get a job in civi-street. He hasn't got to think about paying ever increasing council tax, income tax, gas, electric, water, insurances for buildings and contents etc. all the mundane stuff most of us have to consider.
An officer who cannot be sent to war is useless and getting taxpayers money for a service they cannot deliver.
People are also ignoring the amount of team building for his own troop that public money has been spent on. You change the leadership of that troop, you change the whole troop dynamic. Under contact these people have to act by instinct and know how eachother will react. An 11th hour replacement Troop Leader, negates that level of team building. |
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