US 'releases 9/11 Pentagon tape'

[jason67]

Yeah, I tend to agree with Justin on this. I think its a desperate attempt to rally support for a flagging gov/story.
I mean, why wait all this time and then produce a video that proves nothing? Surely if they had real pictures of flight 77 going into the pentagon they would have brought them out before now?

Hmmm, writing this now I'm not too sure....

[Ally]

NEW VIDEO DOESN'T SHOW AIRLINER HITTING PENTAGON

INTERVIEW: NICK LASHEVSKY, ABC - at 9.37 two security cameras were rolling when the Pentagon was hit. A new video is supposed to show an airliner but it's a blur. The blast was felt where I was reporting live on the TODAY show on 9/11. For years conspiracy theories claimed there was a government cover up and missile hit the Pentagon. The blur will do little to silent the claims of conspiracy. There are claims other videos are being held by the government (of F77) but the government say this is the last. INTERVIEW: LEE HAMILTON, 911 COMMISSION - it was a plane not a missile. CLIP: TODAY program.

ITV NEWS 05:35 17May

[xmasdale]

Could it be that some official in the Pentagon, who believes the official story, has given an instruction to their technical CCTV people to silence the "conspiracy theorists" by releasing the relevant footage? The technocrat replied:

"OK Sir! Your wish is my command" hiding a wry smile, and duly released the relevant footage, knowing full well that it would do nothing to shut people up? It would have been more than his/her job was worth to say:

"You fool, Sir. You've been had by official propaganda. Releasing the video footage we have will only tend to confirm the suspicions of the doubters."

We should never underestimate the fact that there are people on the inside, afraid of losing their jobs, but trying to do their bit to get the truth out.

Linda has sent us another theory by Alex Jones:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506giantpsyop.htm

Pentagon Video Is Giant Psy-Op
Intended to create circus of interest around 'no plane' theories, later debunk them
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | May 16 2006
Grainy video stills showing what is claimed to be the nose cone of Flight 77 will only result in an increased circus of debate around the issue of what happened at the Pentagon in preparation for a future release of clear video footage that 'debunks' people who question the official version of 9/11.
For over four years we have remained neutral on the subject, agreeing that unanswered questions need to be explored but warning against the Pentagon issue becoming the core focus of the 9/11 truth movement.
The danger is clearly that the government will use its media mouthpieces in particular Fox News to hype this until it becomes the de facto keystone of alternative explanations behind 9/11.
At the point when that crescendo reaches its peak crystal clear footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon will be released, knocking down the straw man argument that the establishment itself erected.
The government is steam valving this issue so as to garner as much interest as possible before blowing the entire matter out of the water. We know for a fact that the FBI seized the gas station camera footage and footage from hotels across the highway which would show the entire sequence of events and prove exactly what happened at the Pentagon.
The fact that they have again chosen to release grainy and foggy images which only lead to more speculation tell us two things.

1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.
2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11 truth movement.
The media obsession with this one facet of an entire smorgasbord of 9/11 questions, and their refusal to address more hardcore 9/11 evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is the case.
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Why no discussion of Building 7 and the comments of Larry Silverstein?
Why no discussion of the hijackers being trained by the US government? Lt. Colonel Steve Butler of the Monterey Defense Language Institute was suspended from duty after he accused Bush of allowing 9/11 to happen.
Why no discussion of the NORAD stand down?
Because none of these issues are honey pots, none of them are speculation because the cards are laid out on the table for everyone to see and the evidence is clear.
While intelligent questions need to be asked about what really happened at the Pentagon we feel that research in this context should come with the proviso that a potential trap is being laid to discredit all 9/11 research at a later date, and that today's story is part of that process.

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We need to be aware of this double bluff possibility too, not only about the Pentagon attack, but also about the controvertial pod and the flash in the twin towers.

Finally, Alkmyst says:

"I still can't see anything that resembles a 757!

"What I do see...is a white vapour trail ... at ground level?"

As Eric Hufschmid points out in his movie, Painful Deceptions, rockets leave white vapour trails, jet engines at low altitude leave transparent ones.

I note alternative theories get a passing mention in The Independent today, as well as in The Guardian.

Noel

Noel

[flamesong]

Indeed...

[andrewwatson]

That's glowing by past standards. Desperately urgent though the world situation is, we've got our foot in the door and it's beginning to open, millimetre by painful millimetre. Don't forget that LC2E is there on Google at number 2. Like it or loathe it, that DVD is going to be the thing that changes public opinion. It's a phenomenon.

[ian neal]

[Ally]

Holy nonsense, Jamie McIntyre was just on CNN discussing his cameo role in 'conspiracy documentaries', they even showed a clip PLANE SIGHT.


PENTAGON RELEASE 9/11 VIDEO - two new videos have been released. Jamie McIntyre reported. Here's the video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon from two angles, it's hard to know what you are seeing. Look at it frame by frame, it came in low and fast, the nose can be seen a few feet above the ground. On the second video the plane is a white streak. Witnesses claim to have seen a plan that looked like it was being landed. I even feature in documentaries which claim a plane didn't hit but I was referring to other witnesses. There were thousand of pieces of the plane and I photographed the fuselage personally. There is still mystery about a video from a hotel security camera that caught the attack. INTERVIEW: TOM FITTON, JUDICIAL WATCH - we wanted to dispel myths a missile hit the Pentagon. INTERVIEW: MIKE WALTER, 911 EYEWITNESS - I saw a jet coming in.

CNN 11:30 17May

[Spectre]

Picked this link up off the US site www.911truth.org :

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1968996&page=1

It purports to show more than the original 5 frames. It shows a brief white shape which Pentagon officials claim to be the nosecone of the plane before it strikes home.

It clarifies absolutley nothing. Still looks like a missile to me.

In fact this extra frame or two makes it look even more like a missile. It just doesn't look big enough or the right shape to be a large airliner.

The ABC news man at the Pentagon reports a bit heap of official nonsense about the plane apprently skidded across the grass (oh really) but fails to mention the perfectly manicured lawn thereafter, and also about officials 'not wanting to revisit this again and again'. Revisit? We have yet to see anything definitive here at all after 4+ years. They also claim to air such a video is disturbing for the relatives of lost ones that day. Really? So they don't want to show a piece of crucial corroborating evidence because after all this time people will get upset by it - just like the planes flying into the WTC towers. Well, we've seen the NYC footage often enough in documentaries haven't we?

But then ... we were supposed to see that.

Who are these ABC jerks that are so practised at avoiding all the obvious questions?

[Spectre]

Oops just realised this already has a thread below. Nevermind - consider this my own response. Having said all of that - I just realised that the explosives must have been in the big police car that passed ... I saw that vehicle crystal clear. That's it - it's got to be it ...

[Bouncy Castle]

Everyone,

Loose Change is now at no 1.
That'll show the Independent, The Guardian et al just how marginal we are!
Well done to those folks at Judicial Watch for the publicity.

Incidentally, it gets better:
The version at no 1 is "with extra footage", this was at 2 a couple of days ago.
There is also a version at number 7, which was at no 13.
And, there is one at number 30, up from 77.

Soon Dylan Avery and his team will be like the Beatles in the early 60s - the only people that can keep them off the top spot is themselves.

[Licenced2chill]

Iv`e been thinking about the "new footage."I am not prepared to believe that the Bush admin,are so stupid(i know they appear more than stoopid but i`m covinced its an act as i may have mentioned before)that they expect us all to be silenced by this clip.
Therefore,i am beginning to lean towards this theory:
They have got a fake plane video up their sleeves,and after a week or so of everyone saying "it proves nothing"-they release the professionally doctored footage as a way of nailing their lies into the consciousness of the masses.
Like this:release no 1(yesterday)
result: no one believes.
wait a while
release the pro doctored version"oh we forgot about this bit,which as you can see shows the full plane,heck you can see the decals and number on the tail..."
Everyone who disbelieved the first release is made to look stupid by the Reich media machine,who buy the new footage hook line and stinker.
Pentagon are happy once again.


Lucky that some in the 911 truth movement are tech specialists,or CIA analysts,who will soon prove to the world,once again that 911 is a lie.

Pentagon cheesed of once more,and start thinking how else they can TRY to blag us!And so the cycle continues.Anyone argeee?

[jason67]

I'm not really tech minded, but i'm surprised with all the stuff that they must have at their disposal that they have not come out with a video/picture to 'prove' that a plane hit the pentagon. Maybe they really are setting us up for a big fall.
With regards to to the intellect of the bush admin' George W is the idiot whilst all around him are the brains, thats why they seem to come across as dumb.

[Sandy]

I saw the new video and it shows nothing. On t he4 outside of the Pentagon building it self there are video cameras every 25 feet which means at least 6 cameras should have been pointed to t he area where the explosion occurred. There was also one shot from the gas station but that one was picked up immediately after the explosion.

Looking at the impact of the building itself was a dead giveaway that something long and thin hit the building. All t he camera were removed and it is strange that only one surfaced in time for the Mousouai trial.

The day after the explosion there was no tract of any plane heading into t he building. Had the landing gear been retracted then even more reason to see a sliding area prior to the building. I am convinced more than ever that a missile hit the pentagon and not a huge airplane.

It would kill t he Bush Administration if the truth came out during his lifetime. It would destroy America's reputation forever but as far as I can tell Bush has demolished all respect that other nations had for us.

Somebody mentioned a third edition of the 911 story and I think that is a must have. My own Senator Kyl and I have been communicating on this matter and he is convinced that my seeing the film would be all I needed to stop blaming Bush. He is so wrong! The poor condition of the view and film has me totally convinced that this is the cover up of the decade. Come on, I lived through the Warren Commission Report and I can live through this one too. It doesn't mean I believe any of it.[/img]

[markburdge]

I've just watched the video frame by frame.
Something white and very small appears on the right hand side of the picture just before the explosion.

My guess is that it is about 10ft tall (max)

In my view this re-inforces the view that a missile or small plane hit the pentagon.
(probably a missile judging by the speed that it moved)

One thing is clear; It was not a large passenger plane!!!!!!!!

[Newspeak International]

[pap]

What gets me is that this is Washington DC, the Pentagon no less - and this is the best evidence they can come up with.

If there is a sting in this tail, then it'll still probably be something coming from a single vantage point.

Like I said, this is Washington DC.

Unbelievable.

[flamesong]

'They' are the matador
'It' is the cape
'We', if we are not careful, are the bull

[Licenced2chill]

Yep,i agree Jason,but Bush is a controlled idiot,i`ve always thought there are many times when he looks as though hes under total control,like a robot.When i think of him as "the manchurian candidate",it quite literally sends a chill down my spine.Especially looking at the background and history of his family.
And yes,the others around him do control his hand.But we only see a few of those others on mainstream sources.The rest try to hide like slimy cowards.

[flamesong]

[flamesong]

Conspiracy theorists down but not out]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4990686.stm

That is something of a coup!

It clearly shows that somebody at the BBC has watched Loose Change 2!

There is even a link to the Loose Change website.

Hmmm...

[foliagecop]

I just saw this, flamesong, and was about to post it myself.

It's a very clever article. It's almost as if he's on "our" side, letting out a wealth of alternative information within the guise of a sanitised report.

Bravo Paul Reynolds, whether you meant to be helpful or not!

[Garrett Cooke]

I agree here. The Paul Reynolds article is actually promoting Loose Change 2nd edition from the BBC website! This must mean it will be seen by thousands of new viewers. A definite coup I would say. Well done Paul.

Garrett

[Newspeak International]

I tried the Loose change2 earlier and it was rather slow downloading, which is a good sign hopefully.

N

[flamesong]

Newsnight have just done a piece about the Pentagon footage in which Dave Von Kleist was interviewed.

I recorded it but cannot upload it because I can't save it in any of the formats permitted on the forum! There are no video formats permitted!

Anyway, it is viewable via the newsnight website at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

- only until tomorrow night's programme is streamed.

[Licenced2chill]

Its a good article.
But i am disturbed by:

1 "The theorists do not believe eyewitnesses, physical evidence, engineering studies or even the claims of Osama Bin Laden"

Excuse me?

2 "even if the pictures did clearly show the doomed airliner, the theorists would probably just change their charge. "

Whatever....The bbc never change their charge do they?
That word again "theorists",sounds horrid don`t it?

3 "The theorists are very small in number "

Again...whatever you say BBC.

Its a shame the writer felt forced to weave in the government line into an otherwise very brave article.Could be that his job depends upon it,so it aint his fault.
But still you`re right to say this is a positive step.The more peeps who see LC2 the better.Dylan Avery may one day qualify for his own statue....much more worthy than some statues i can think of. Overall,i commend the BBC author for this.Trickles soon become flows,which become the wave,which has the power.

Oh please no. the last bit:

"Part, most probably, of that suspicion has to do with anger against the United States. There are always conspiracy theories involving the US right across the Middle East and beyond. Many people want to believe the worst."
You cannot be serious.Really,please,this is hurting me,its my anti propaganda chip.Stop.

[DrJazzz]

I have to say I am gobsmacked by this release, which doesn't show flight 77 anywhere.

Is it possible there is some political manoeuvering going on inside the Department of Defense? I suspect it is a very interesting place right now to work inside.

Maybe they are blowing the whistle by simply doing their job? If so i am looking forward to seeing the other videos!

[xmasdale]

[Dr Hemp]

I have seen some of the media coverage in the last few days how they have showed the photo as matter of fact that a plane hit the Pentagon. Sadly, viewers will only have seen it for a split second and I fear will not automatically be aware of the following points

- why did they take so long to release it?
- why do they not release ALL the other CCTV footage that they took?
- the photo could have easily been faked, and indeed is certainly not very convincing
- one photo that could have been faked does not discount the other overwhelming evidence that would lead any rational and impartial person to conclude that a plane did not hit the Pentagon, as laid out by Meyssan and Prof Griffin (which most readers of this post will be aware of, if not watch Loose Change 2, read Prof Griffin's books, etc.,)

I guess we should not be surprised that the US with the complicity of the BBC are starting to try to quell down the growing tide of conspiracy factualist as in recent months

- Loose Change 2 has consistently been in the top 8 of downloaded videos from video.google.com (it's currently no 1)
- Guy Chapman sent over 2000 factsheets and DVDs to various influential people in the UK including journalists, MPs, Lords, etc.,
- Any search on google.com for 911 related material brings up a wealth of conspiracy fact information, and not much else
- Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime released on the net, which provides more damning evidence to imply official complicity at the highest levels of US government in the months approaching September 11th 2001

Folks this was inevitable, but it should simply make us more determined to get the truth out - they have another think coming if they believe doctoring a few frames with Adobe Photoshop is going to throw us off the trail. The Neo-Cons' New World Order must be defeated at all costs! There is too much at stake for any other outcome to be acceptable.

Peace,

Chris.

[foliagecop]

I agree, Chris. There is far too much at stake here. Just a cursory glance at the rise and acceptance of the police state (and the police state mentality) is enough to convince anyone of that.

I sent the Loose Change 2 link to a dozen people last night. It might not be a lot, but one of them - who knew nothing about it beforehand - has already said he'll pass it on to as many others as he can. It's a start.

On a separate note, have you noticed how on any news story of the Pentagon incident the words "...crashed into the Pentagon" are immediately followed by video footage of the collapsed wall? This is basic psychology. If you told people the reality - that the wall didn't collapse until more than half an hour after the crash, thereby severely damaging the theory than a huge, speeding passenger plane slammed into it at over 500mph - they probably wouldn't believe you, simply because the connection has been so imprinted on the brain from all the TV and video footage.

Oh, and the fact that some glass windows weren't damaged by the crash because - according to Paul Reynolds' report - they were "shatterproof"?? Where can I buy me some of these magic windows? If they can survive being hit at over 500mph, then I want them for my house!