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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: No Plane Eyewitnesses |
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Why is it that the planehugging shill posse constantly talks about "thousands of eyewitnesses" yet cannot produce any?
http://livevideo.com/video/83C0FA83D5E74E3F98B66F36DFF39F44/no-plane-w itnesses.aspx
The only people who saw a plane saw it on television. The flying object visible from NJ that created the giant fireball came in from the NORTH (in direct contradiction to what was shown on telly). |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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John Albanese and his wife saw the planes, as did numerous people in the background of one of your dodgy videos. Why not contibute to the thread asking for an overview of NPT. Nobody seems able to do this perhaps you could oblige rather than calling all us unbelievers 'shills' It could be more of a case, he who smelt it dealt it? Tell me Fred, have you ever done any real campaigning or is it your mission to sow divide amongst 9/11 groups instead? _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Yes, this would be the John Albanese who had "American Airlines" burned into his head for the second hit, correct? The one who looked up and saw both planes hit from his office several miles away in Midtown?
I just want to make sure we're talking about the same John Albanese. For amusement you might call Victoria's Secret and see who was standing next to him when he witnessed the wrong plane crashing.
http://www.911researchers.com/node/437
NOTE: 'Filmmaker' John Albanese let unanswered for 3 days the question, why he confused United Airlines with American Airlines. Then on Day 5, he altered his own testimony, claiming it was based on a 'typo'.
http://www.911researchers.com/node/260
It now reads: "...plane move towards downtown.
I clearly saw American Airlines written on the plane..."
and added in another reply:
"...I claim I, like thousands others, saw planes..."
Submitted by John Albanese on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 1:11pm
http://www.911blogger.com/node/6413
Albanese is a pathetic and obsessed liar!
more new entries at
9/11 Video MashUps (Updates 02/2
http://www.911bloglines.com/node/50
Credit to Ewing2001 for pointing out that even a typo cannot explain away that thug's lies. |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Fred, that's hardly convincing. Is he a thug for exposing your lies? How is he called a thug yet it is Nico Haupt who is the one disrupting truth meetings? _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Hardly convincing? If you're going to pick a shill to claim as a witness, at least chose a credible shill. The guy's story is as phony as you are.
John Albanese lied and said he saw both planes. He got the details totally wrong, and his story fell apart. He can't even show up anywhere in New York these days. The guy is a pariah. |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Fraud, sorry, Fred,
You talk utter nonsense and I would back Albanese over any of your crew any day of the week. _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Of course you would back him AndyB. He's a liar. You'd stand by him and swear that you too saw American Airlines slam into the South Tower and that the words "American Airlines" were burned into your brain.
Then you'd lie and say it was "United Airlines", wouldn't you? |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: |
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That's nonsance Fraud _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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telecasterisation Banned
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: Re: No Plane Eyewitnesses |
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Fred wrote: | Why is it that the planehugging shill posse constantly talks about "thousands of eyewitnesses" yet cannot produce any?
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When you say 'produce any' - what exactly do you mean? This a board with people posting typed words, not the transporter room of The Enterprise.
Besides which, the actual 911 event was some years ago, those witnesses have probably left the scene and are at home in bed. How can they be 'produced'? |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Have you taken your medication this morning Fred? _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Would that be medication for the strange spelling disorder that causes your other accounts named John White, Marky 54, Iro to write "nonsance" and "evidance"?
You've been exposed as a shill and a liar John White AndyB. You may in fact be slow, you may not have passed English class, and you may indeed be mildly retarded, but you're not convincing anyone here. You should probably ask to be reassigned to a job that doesn't require you to spell words.
The "evidance" is clear.
http://livevideo.com/video/83C0FA83D5E74E3F98B66F36DFF39F44/no-plane-w itnesses.aspx |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I'm disappointed that my attempt at humour was completely lost by you. should have realised that though. Ignoramous _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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here a PM I received from Fred
Quote: | You're making a fool out of yourself again, John. |
Genius, you should have been a policeman. Thing is Fred a lot of people on this board know myself, John White, and Stefan as seperate real people. I'm sure the same people see you as a fool of the highest order.[/url] _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: |
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We all know who you are, Mr Nonsance. |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Who's we, you and your multiple personalities? * _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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gruts Major Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I found this list of eyewitnesses from the emergency services on the Democratic Underground forum. Comments anyone?
FIREFIGHTER SCOTT HOLOWACH
At that time, I started walking towards Engine 3. Engine 3 drove south to the south pedestrian bridge to make a U turn to come back and as I'm walking towards the Engine to find out what Lieutenant Walsh wanted us to do, I heard the sound of a jet plane. I looked up and saw it pretty close and I was like holy *. What's going on with the with the flight patterns. All of a sudden, the wings turned and it dove right into the building and it was screwed up.
At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no, Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I watched the second plane hit the other tower.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110114.PDF
FIREFIGHTER STEPHEN ZASA
Upon that time I heard a plane roar. I had my window down and on my side we saw a plane flying very low come right across us and with a loud, you know, the engines revved up, and I had mentioned to him, I had no idea that it was heading towards that way, and I just said like where is this guy going, you know, he was extremely low, not realizing it was another plane heading towards the World Trade, and we saw it struck the building, we saw a big mushroom of flame, of fire coming up, and it was like disbelief, and he had gotten on the radio and notified the dispatcher another plane had struck the World Trade Center.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110417.PDF
FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH CASALIGGI
I left my rollup and my standpipe kit in the lobby. I went outside to the rig, changed the cylinder. While I was changing the cylinder, I was keeping an eye because the chauffeur was hooking up to the standpipe. I was keeping an eye, making sure he didn't get hit with anything.
It was at that time when I saw the second plane hit the building. I called a mayday. I told them the second plane hit the south tower of the building. I wasn't sure which floors it was, but I knew it hit the upper floors of the south tower.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110430.PDF
FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH GALASSO
After the first plane hit, we were here, actually. We could see the towers actually from here. So after the first plane hit, we saw it on the news. So we came up here to look out the window, and we saw it. We watched the second plane hit. Just as the second plane hit, that's when we received the alarm.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110322.PDF
PARAMEDIC KEVIN DARNOWSKI
Right before the tolls on the Brooklyn side heading towards Manhattan at the Battery Tunnel, we were sitting in traffic and we watched United Flight 175 hit tower two, which was the south tower of the World Trade Center.
At that time everybody was just in shock. The firefighters and I were just really trying to get through the traffic when the plane hit, and we were just standing there in like awe of what was happening.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110202.PDF
FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH SULLIVAN
Okay. We responded from quarters. The ticket came in at 8:54. We were going on the first alarm to the staging area by the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel. En route to the staging area, we were going down Columbia Street, saw the second plane strike the building and we went from being a, quote, good job or a rough job, or we were going to earn our money today.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110286.PDF
EMT SEAN CUNNIFFE
We were lined up on West Street, west side, right by the pedestrian bridge, between six and one, over here somewhere. I don't remember the supervisor's name, but they had us line up, put our stretchers and equipment on it. We were just waiting for further instruction.
As we were waiting there, counting the people jumping, that's when we saw the scope of it. We counted 39 people. It was sad. That's when it stopped being exciting and reality kicked in and we were hanging out.
The second plane came in. It was the biggest noise I ever heard in my life.
Q. Did you see the plane?
A. Yeah. We saw it, we heard it, we felt the heat from it, the debris. We ducked under a truck...
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110164.PDF
CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT DANIEL NIGRO (FDNY)
At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower. At that point it was clear to me it was a terrorist attack. Earlier I didn't know what it was. I assumed it was an accident.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110154.PDF
BATTALION CHIEF BRIAN O'FLAHERTY (FDNY)
Just then out of the corner of my eye, I could see this plane. I just remember the dark. It was in the shadow. It looked low. I thought, "What the heck is the guy doing?" I watched it, watched him turn and crash right into the south tower. Right away I knew it was terrorism or terrorists. I didn't know what the first one was, but I knew what the second one was.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110431.PDF
EMS CAPTAIN MARK STONE
We got in the truck, listening to reports coming in on Citywide and we ended up taking the Battery Park Tunnel underneath to come up on the West Street side of the incident. We came up right out of the tunnel. I was looking up to see if I could do a little more initial size up. That is when I saw the second plane hit the building. I just watched it coming in.
I see that the plane hit and I'm really thinking for the safety of the members that we got operating already ...
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110076.PDF |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: |
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stop spamming and go back to 9/11 researchers. If anyone else is interested they can follow _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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gruts Major Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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judging by the state of their forum (ie the cyber equivalent of the Marie Celeste) it doesn't look like anyone is interested....
http://www.911researchers.com/forum |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Everyone is aware of your failed "infaltration", AndyB. Your inability to spell with sense has exposed you again, and people around the world are laughing at you (again). |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it that the planehugging shill posse constantly talks about "thousands of eyewitnesses" yet cannot produce any?
http://livevideo.com/video/83C0FA83D5E74E3F98B66F36DFF39F44/no-plane-w itnesses.aspx
The only people who saw a plane saw it on television. The flying object visible from NJ that created the giant fireball came in from the NORTH (in direct contradiction to what was shown on telly).
John Albanese is a liar. He's not an eyewitness and neither is "his wife". You planehugging shills are stilll completely incapable of finding any real eyewitnesses and so you fill up my thread with garbage, outing yourselves as learning-disabled (or mildly retarded) non-spellers with your "nonseance."
Where are your imaginary thousands of eyewitnesses? Why can't you find any? |
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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gruts wrote: | judging by the state of their forum (ie the cyber equivalent of the Marie Celeste) it doesn't look like anyone is interested....
http://www.911researchers.com/forum |
It's greatly comforting to know there's only a very limited number of
self-important paranoiacs out there. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
It's them or us. |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Stop wasting everyone's time with your masturbatory self-congratulation. If you want to go suck on each other, go do it.
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT GAY ORGIES. Nobody cares what you think about anything. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT EYEWITNESSES and why you dimwits cannot find any who saw a plane crash. |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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andyb wrote: | here a PM I received from Fred
Quote: | You're making a fool out of yourself again, John. |
Genius, you should have been a policeman. Thing is Fred a lot of people on this board know myself, John White, and Stefan as seperate real people. I'm sure the same people see you as a fool of the highest order.[/url] |
Its a delusional opinion based on zero evidence: exactly what one might expect from Fred
Here's a guy who will produce a convoluted paranoid conspiracy theory out of a misplaced vowel, and then completely convince himself using only his own imagination
What a hopeless case! And, from the 9/11 perps POV, what a useful tool! _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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Witchfinder General Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the postings rebutting NPT and video fakery on this forum are being made by Shills
Congratulations you have suceeded in destroying this forum.
Let's assume that all decent folk abandon this site
Then what would you call a truth site that was used entirely by shills
What do you think Fred? |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Then what would you call a truth site that was used entirely by shills? |
www.911researchers.com, if the opinion of Holmgren is anything to go by _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I take offence to being linked to gar orgies. Does this not constitute abuse? it is all the evidance I need _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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and another PM from Fred
Quote: | You're an idiot who cannot spell. I'm serious about the suggestion that you try some other form of criminal activity to get your kicks |
More evidance of abuse _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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Fred 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the "evidance" is overwhelming. |
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