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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: Lugovoi faces Litvinenko murder charge |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2085363,00.html
Andrei Lugovoi, one of the Russian men who met Alexander Litvinenko on the day he fell ill with polonium poisoning, is to be charged with his murder.
The director of public prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald, said he had instructed lawyers from the Crown Prosecution Service to seek the early extradition of Mr Lugovoi from Moscow to Britain to stand trial "for this extraordinarily grave crime".
"I have today concluded that the evidence sent to us by the police is sufficient to charge Andrei Lugovoi with the murder of Mr Litvinenko by deliberate poisoning," Sir Ken said this morning. "I have further concluded that a prosecution of this case would clearly be in the public interest."
Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, said today she had told the Russian ambassador she expected Moscow's "full cooperation" in Britain's efforts to extradite Mr Lugovoi.
Mr Litvinenko's widow, Marina, welcomed the decision to charge Mr Lugovoi.
"I am now very anxious to see that justice is really done and that Mr Lugovoi is extradited and brought to trial in a UK court," she said.
Mr Lugovoi has denied any involvement in the murder of Mr Litvinenko, a vocal critic of President Vladimir Putin's regime who lived in exile in north London with his family.
Mr Litvinenko died in hospital on November 23, having ingested a fatal dose of the radioactive isotope polonium-210 three weeks earlier. On the day he fell ill, Mr Litvinenko had met Mr Lugovoi and another Russian businessman, Dmitry Kovtun, at the Pine bar of the Millennium hotel in Mayfair, London, before lunching with an Italian academic, Mario Scaramella, at a sushi bar in Piccadilly. Traces of polonium-21o were later found at both locations.
A number of staff at the Millennium hotel were also contaminated with polonium-210. Traces of the substance were found at several offices and hotels Mr Lugovoi visited in the capital, and also on board a British Airways plane in which he travelled. He was treated for suspected radiation poisoning in Russia.
On his return to Moscow, 41-year-old Mr Lugovoi called a press conference to deny any involvement in Mr Litvinenko's murder, citing the fact that his wife and children had also been contaminated with polonium-210. "To think that I would handle the stuff and put them at risk is ludicrous," he said. "Someone is trying to set me up. But I can't understand who. Or why."
The Russian constitution protects citizens from forcible extradition, although there have been suggestions that the Kremlin might be prepared to hand over Mr Lugovoi in exchange for Boris Berezovsky, another opponent of the Putin regime who lives in exile in London. However, UK courts have ruled that Mr Berezovsky, an oligarch who fell out with Mr Putin, could not expect a fair trial in Russia.
Mr Lugovoi was a KGB platoon commander and bodyguard before moving into private security. He was head of security at a TV company jointly owned by Mr Berezovsky, and set up Pershin, a company specialising in security, soft drinks and wine.
Mr Berezovsky told the BBC in February that Mr Litvinenko had blamed Mr Lugovoi for poisoning him. In a statement he dictated from his deathbed, Mr Litvinenko said Mr Putin might "succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate in your ears for the rest of your life". _________________ UK-based alternative news site:
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Lugovoi faces Litvinenko murder charge |
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Skeptic wrote: | http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2085363,00.html
Andrei Lugovoi, one of the Russian men who met Alexander Litvinenko on the day he fell ill with polonium poisoning, is to be charged with his murder.
The director of public prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald, said he had instructed lawyers from the Crown Prosecution Service to seek the early extradition of Mr Lugovoi from Moscow to Britain to stand trial "for this extraordinarily grave crime".
"I have today concluded that the evidence sent to us by the police is sufficient to charge Andrei Lugovoi with the murder of Mr Litvinenko by deliberate poisoning," Sir Ken said this morning. "I have further concluded that a prosecution of this case would clearly be in the public interest."
Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, said today she had told the Russian ambassador she expected Moscow's "full cooperation" in Britain's efforts to extradite Mr Lugovoi.
Mr Litvinenko's widow, Marina, welcomed the decision to charge Mr Lugovoi.
"I am now very anxious to see that justice is really done and that Mr Lugovoi is extradited and brought to trial in a UK court," she said.
Mr Lugovoi has denied any involvement in the murder of Mr Litvinenko, a vocal critic of President Vladimir Putin's regime who lived in exile in north London with his family.
Mr Litvinenko died in hospital on November 23, having ingested a fatal dose of the radioactive isotope polonium-210 three weeks earlier. On the day he fell ill, Mr Litvinenko had met Mr Lugovoi and another Russian businessman, Dmitry Kovtun, at the Pine bar of the Millennium hotel in Mayfair, London, before lunching with an Italian academic, Mario Scaramella, at a sushi bar in Piccadilly. Traces of polonium-21o were later found at both locations.
LITVINENKO LUNCHED WITH SCARAMELLA (AROUND 2.00PM) BEFORE MEETING WITH LUGOVOI ET AL @ THE MILLENNIUM HOTEL (AROUND 4.00PM)
A number of staff at the Millennium hotel were also contaminated with polonium-210. Traces of the substance were found at several offices and hotels Mr Lugovoi visited in the capital, and also on board a British Airways plane in which he travelled. He was treated for suspected radiation poisoning in Russia.
YET POLICE DECLINED TO TEST THE EASY JET PLANE(S) FOR POLONIUM -210 THAT TOOK SCARAMELLA FROM NAPLES-LONDON-NAPLES - WHY?
On his return to Moscow, 41-year-old Mr Lugovoi called a press conference to deny any involvement in Mr Litvinenko's murder, citing the fact that his wife and children had also been contaminated with polonium-210. "To think that I would handle the stuff and put them at risk is ludicrous," he said. "Someone is trying to set me up. But I can't understand who. Or why."
The Russian constitution protects citizens from forcible extradition, although there have been suggestions that the Kremlin might be prepared to hand over Mr Lugovoi in exchange for Boris Berezovsky, another opponent of the Putin regime who lives in exile in London. However, UK courts have ruled that Mr Berezovsky, an oligarch who fell out with Mr Putin, could not expect a fair trial in Russia.
Mr Lugovoi was a KGB platoon commander and bodyguard before moving into private security. He was head of security at a TV company jointly owned by Mr Berezovsky, and set up Pershin, a company specialising in security, soft drinks and wine.
Mr Berezovsky told the BBC in February that Mr Litvinenko had blamed Mr Lugovoi for poisoning him. In a statement he dictated from his deathbed, Mr Litvinenko said Mr Putin might "succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate in your ears for the rest of your life". |
SO WHY WAS LITVINENKO REPORTED IN THE TIMES AS BLAMING MARIO SCARAMELLA FOR POISONING HIM ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS (ONCE DIRECTLY TO A TIMES JOURNALIST AND ONCE VIA FELSHTINSKI)? |
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Micpsi Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Because Litvinenko himself was unsure (there were several suspects then) until told by the police when it was he had been poisoned, namely, before he had sushi with Scaramella. Then he switched his suspicion to the occasion the police now know he was poisoned - the bar in the Millennium Hotel, where he had tea with Lugovoi and two others.
The police suspect Lugovoi because they found traces of Polonium 210 in a hotel in London he had stayed at two weeks before meeting Litvinenko (Newsnight, 22/7/07). However, this does not prove his guilt because, supposing he was being set up as the patsy for Litvinenko's murder, someone following Lugovoi could have planted traces of the radio-active substance in his hotel, thereby duping the police into inferring that Lugovoi must have been the one carrying the substance around London and therefore the murderer. Personally, I find the notion of an ex-FSB agent carelessly leaving traces of the substance around London and on planes to Moscow absurd. If the Russians wanted to quieten what they regarded as a traitor who had accused Putin of being a paedophile on a 'Free Chechin' website, they did not need to spend £100 million on a poison that created a trail leading to Moscow and which took several weeks to act! A bullet to the head would have been enough. No. This was done by some party who wanted the death to become long-lasting international news with political consequences in order to create bad publicity for Putin. And it has. You don't have to look far to see who might have had a good motive for a false-flag black op that would get Putin blamed. Who are Putin's enemies in Britain? |
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Micpsi wrote: | Because Litvinenko himself was unsure (there were several suspects then) until told by the police when it was he had been poisoned, namely, before he had sushi with Scaramella. Then he switched his suspicion to the occasion the police now know he was poisoned - the bar in the Millennium Hotel, where he had tea with Lugovoi and two others.
The police suspect Lugovoi because they found traces of Polonium 210 in a hotel in London he had stayed at two weeks before meeting Litvinenko (Newsnight, 22/7/07). However, this does not prove his guilt because, supposing he was being set up as the patsy for Litvinenko's murder, someone following Lugovoi could have planted traces of the radio-active substance in his hotel, thereby duping the police into inferring that Lugovoi must have been the one carrying the substance around London and therefore the murderer. Personally, I find the notion of an ex-FSB agent carelessly leaving traces of the substance around London and on planes to Moscow absurd. If the Russians wanted to quieten what they regarded as a traitor who had accused Putin of being a paedophile on a 'Free Chechin' website, they did not need to spend £100 million on a poison that created a trail leading to Moscow and which took several weeks to act! A bullet to the head would have been enough. No. This was done by some party who wanted the death to become long-lasting international news with political consequences in order to create bad publicity for Putin. And it has. You don't have to look far to see who might have had a good motive for a false-flag black op that would get Putin blamed. Who are Putin's enemies in Britain? |
As already highlighted in my previous post Litvinenko's meeting in the Pine Bar @ The Millennium Hotel took place AFTER his lunch with Scaramella at Itsu's (the Times even did a story board of Litvinenko's movements on the day). All the early reports stated this: until the police started to alter the time lines after Litvinenko's death.
Another point overlooked is that Litvinenko was first 'diagnosed' with Thalium Sulphate poisoning after a supposedly positive text at Guy's toxicology unit on Thursday 16th November a day before his transfer from Barnet General to University College Hospital. This was first remarked on by Professor John Henry as reported in several papers over the weekend of the 18/19th November.
Curiously though, the BBC Russian Language Service were reporting the poisoning as early as the 11th November - five days before the alleged positive test for Thalium (and a full week before the story broke domestically in the MI6's mendacious organ, The Daily Mail). As we now know this test was discarded in favour of Polonium and Professor John Henry was summarily declared 'retired' from the case. Why?
Because he knew that Thalium intoxication, even radioactive Thalium intoxication, can be chelated by a common drug available on prescription called Radiogardese (derived from Prussic acid). More significantly he doubted publicly whether Polonium 210 was the agent used. And, as John Henry's Times obituary stated, he was a man of strong opinions (which may explain why the spooks may have been nervous about having him around to publicly contradict the DPP).
Mario Scaramella is the only public suspect in this case. But he didn't poison with Polonium (if he had, Litvinenko would have survived much longer than he did and if he had been treated correctly would probably still be alive now) and nor was he the only one who actively participated in the murder of Litvinenko.
The others were almost certainly MI5/6's travelling medical team whose consciences, it appears, are rarely troubled by the Hippocratic oath.
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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The only way for this guy who is probably innocent to be extradited to stand trial in Britain is if Britain agrees to extradite to Russia the many fugitives living here like Boris Berezovsky.
Only wwhen Britain agrees to extradite these criminals can it hope to get russia to quid pro quo. _________________
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I found this on Debkafile. Not sure what to make of it and not sure how much I trust Debka. It's dated November 2006 so probably old news but the idea that Litvinenko may have been a double agent (for Israel...? was his "conversion" to Islam a misdirection to make this idea look inconceivable...?) is news to me. Putin has made himself unpopular with some of the Zionist oligarchs. Could this have been a Mossad false flag hit on their behalf, designed to ostracise/pressurise Putin?
I could be barking up the wrong tree but that is the nature of such matters.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3540
Quote: | Murdered Russian ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko passed documents to former Yukos CEO in Israel months before his death - report
November 25, 2006, 9:10 AM (GMT+02:00)
Leonid Nevzlin, former CEO of the oil giant and current chairman of the Diaspora Museum in Tel Aviv, says the former Russian spy came to Israel with classified documents on Yukos which may be damaging to Russian leaders. Nevzliln estimates that Litvinenko’s death was connected with this information, which he has handed to London police investigators of the murder.
DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources add that the Russian ex-spy is believed to have been a double agent, who sold trade secrets to different parties in and outside Russia, among them some of the Russian oligarchs living in exile in the West. Livinenko served as a colonel in a Russian Federal Security Services unit which investigated and carried out special operations against businessmen.
British police found traces of the radioactive Polonium 210 in Litvinenko’s urine.
The London media accuse Vladimir Putin of being behind the murder which they claim was politically-motivated. |
_________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Litvinenko converted to what?
That clearly is disinformation
and news to his wife and family
He worked for Berezovsky of course he was a double agent for Israel as are all of the oligarchs. _________________
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Pincher wrote: | Craig W wrote: | I found this on Debkafile. Not sure what to make of it and not sure how much I trust Debka. It's dated November 2006 so probably old news but the idea that Litvinenko may have been a double agent (for Israel...? was his "conversion" to Islam a misdirection to make this idea look inconceivable...?) is news to me. Putin has made himself unpopular with some of the Zionist oligarchs. Could this have been a Mossad false flag hit on their behalf, designed to ostracise/pressurise Putin?
I could be barking up the wrong tree but that is the nature of such matters.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3540
Quote: | Murdered Russian ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko passed documents to former Yukos CEO in Israel months before his death - report
November 25, 2006, 9:10 AM (GMT+02:00)
Leonid Nevzlin, former CEO of the oil giant and current chairman of the Diaspora Museum in Tel Aviv, says the former Russian spy came to Israel with classified documents on Yukos which may be damaging to Russian leaders. Nevzliln estimates that Litvinenko’s death was connected with this information, which he has handed to London police investigators of the murder.
DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources add that the Russian ex-spy is believed to have been a double agent, who sold trade secrets to different parties in and outside Russia, among them some of the Russian oligarchs living in exile in the West. Livinenko served as a colonel in a Russian Federal Security Services unit which investigated and carried out special operations against businessmen.
British police found traces of the radioactive Polonium 210 in Litvinenko’s urine.
The London media accuse Vladimir Putin of being behind the murder which they claim was politically-motivated. |
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Yes it is possible that Litvinenko was a double agent but it is most important to clarify what this might have meant in Litvinenko's case.
If we take Litvinenko's story at face value (that in the late 90's he was sent by the FSB to murder Beresovsky but that instead he chose to confess the plot to his intended victim and then 'fled' with him to the West) then he automatically became a defector when he sought asylum in the UK in the late 90's.
This would have made him both an asset to British intelligence as well as to the intelligence services of Britain's closest allies. And MOSSAD has a very close relationship with British Intelligence (though MOSSAD is closer to the CIA - so close in fact that it is often talked of as simply a department of the CIA). So if Litvinenko was a true defector he could not be considered a double agent if he ever was an operative of MOSSAD.
However if Litvinenko's defection story was merely a ruse to shadow Beresovsky in the West for the Kremlin (as well as carry out other missions under deep cover) then he could have been considered a double agent. He would have been debriefed by MI5/6 and would have regularly reported to them both directly and indirectly through his employer, Bersovsky.
My hunch is that he always remained loyal to the Kremlin, that MI5/6 never bought his cover story and that was why they murdered him. |
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