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NAMES FROM THE AUSCHWITZ DEATH CERTIFICATES.

 
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: NAMES FROM THE AUSCHWITZ DEATH CERTIFICATES. Reply with quote

Data from the Auschwitz Death Certificates.

In 1989, the Soviets released much of the German documentation, death certificates, roll-calls, cremation lists, etc, that they had found at Auschwitz, in January 1945. The Germans had simply left this documentation when they evacuated. The Soviets, came across it and conveniently "lost it" in their archives for some 45 years. In 1989, Gorbachev presented it to the Red Cross who then "lost it" in archives in Bad Arolsen, Germany.

The death certificates themselves, were official German documents, issued by Auschwitz camp doctors, upon the death of an inmate. Each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name, profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence, parents' names, time of death, cause of death, detainee number and a camp physician's signature.

The death certificates are mainly from the years, 1942 and 1943. There is some documentation from the year 1941, none from the year 1944, nor from January 1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated).

The death certificates record the names of 68,864 individuals, who died at Auschwitz (Birkenau), of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews.

65,305 of the 68,864 names recorded on the death certificates can be found at these pages on houston.indymedia.org

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W Y Z

35,228 (37,148) have their religion recorded as Christian (30,852 Catholic, 2,145 Protestant, 1,858 Greek Orthodox, 280 Czech-Moravian, 93 Eastern Orthodox). 28,511 (30,065) have their religion recorded as Judaism.

Since we have records for only 65,305 of the 68,864 death certificates, we give two figures for the statistics. The first statistic is that found from the 65,305 and the second (in brackets) is an estimate of that statistic, as if it had been collected from the full 68,864. More explicitly, the number in the brackets is the original number x 1.0545.

Having both the birth and death dates, we can calculate the age at death. The following is a break-down of the records by age. This is of interest, as Jews claim that the old, young, and anyone unfit for work, were immediately gassed on arrival at Auschwitz (and, of course, Jews claim, no record was kept of these killings, while careful records were kept of all other deaths). Clearly, this was not the case. It is particularly unlikely, that the three ladies over 90 years old, were fit for any sort of work.

Prisoners Age at Death

Age Group Number Percentage
- >90 3 0.005
80-90 69 0.1
70-80 457 0.7
60-70 1,975 3.0
50-60 7,625 11.7
40-50 14,710 22.5
30-40 17,477 26.7
20-30 14,064 21.5
10-20 6,368 9.7
00-10 2,450 3.7

Also, it is particularly unlikely, that the children pictured below, were fit for work. Since everyone in the camp suffered delousing on entry, everyone had their heads shaved. These children had been in the camp some time, at least long enough, for their hair to grow back. The photo was taken after the Russians occupied the camp. The Germans had evacuated some ten days earlier.



It is known that the International Tracing Service (an arm of the Red Cross) has copies of all the registration particulars from Auschwitz. This probably includes the daily roll-call documents, which contain registration details and daily death totals. In any case, it has had in its possession enough information to (unofficially) provide the following approximate statistics regarding deaths (from all causes, including, old age) at Auschwitz (this was long before the Soviet records were released):

Deaths at Auschwitz

Year Red Cross Certificates
1940/1941 19,500 -
1942 48,500 37,195
1943 37,000 28,727
1944 30,000 -
1945 500 -
Total 135,500 -

By comparison, the Auschwitz death certificates record 35,273 (37,195) deaths for the year 1942 and 27,242 (28,727) for 1943. Since the death certificates are known to be incomplete and the registration particulars, are known to be almost complete, the Red Cross numbers in the table, are the more accurate.

Directly, or indirectly, the Red Cross, through the International Tracing Service, has been the source of all the accurate estimates of deaths at the concentration camps. These estimates were based on the camp roll-call numbers (which included the daily death toll), cremation lists, etc, and a small number of the death certificates obtained by the allies after the war.

The Red Cross (International Tracing Service) has never provided statistics to the public, at large. This is because their numbers, totally contradict the HolyCo$t (holocaust) myth.

Charles Biedermann (Red Cross Delegate and Director of the International Tracing Service) testified (under oath) in a Canadian court case, that, as of December 31, 1976, the Red Cross had the names of only 357,190 individuals who died (of all causes) in the entire German concentration camp system.

Biedermann also confirmed that, as of December 31, 1983, that number had increased to 373,468 deaths (again, from all causes) in all of the Nazi camps.

Of course the Red Cross records are not complete, but you can be sure these numbers are a good approximation, and that the estimates of about 500,000 dead in the entire German concentration camp system (from all causes) are realistic.

Biedermann was presented with, and questioned about, a two volume work entitled Gedenkbuch. The Gedenkbuch is a German government document that records the names of those Jews known to have died in the German concentration camp system. It was presented as a gift from Germany to Israel, in 1962. The Gedenkbuch contains 129,000 names.

For more information on the Auschwitz death certificates, see "Death Books From Auschwitz", a three volume set, two of which are lists of individuals who died at Auschwitz. The information includes: name, date of birth, date of death, place of birth, inmate number. The lists are contained in volumes two and three. Volume one contains many photographs of the prisoners as well as many reports and photographs of various lists. The catalog number is *PXV 95-3344 and the books are located at the New York Public Library, in the Jewish Division on the first floor.

Wolfgang Kempkens, obtained copies of some 800 of the death certificates from sources in Poland and Russia. Reproductions of 30 of these death certificates appeared in the article "Pages From The Auschwitz Death Registry Volumes" by Mark Weber, Journal of Historical Review vol 12 p 265.



Pictured above, is a day by day record of Auschwitz deaths. A more detailed graphic can be seen by clicking here. The peaks coincide with know Typhus epidemics.

From http://bb.domaindlx.com/911TheTruth/


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just deleted the two double threads you made duplicating this one "the Truth": please be patient with the server when lagging!

Anyway, carry on

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is very compelling evidence.
I have always believed that the six million figure that is widely banded about was a complete exaggeration.
And i have looked at the census surveys of pre war germany.

But your analysis is very strong.
Another point i have also argued is that concentration camp survivors always have five digit numbers and none have ever been seen with a six digit number. Implication being that less than 100,000.
Not concrete evidence but anecdotal.
The census is also good evidence - you cant fit a gallon into a pint glass.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did the original figure say 6 million at auschwitz alone?? or total?

im just asking because i thought there were more than one camp in europe during the war.

ah nevermind i see what its claiming the total figure to be in all camps now.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

before the war look at census figures regarding numbers of jews
eg germany figure is 400,000 in 1933
add up the totals for poland, germany, france, etc, etc,
subtract the number who escaped to other countries
eg switzerland took 60,000 jewish refugees from germany
subtract the number of survivors liberated at various prison camps

this gives a ball park figure of much less than 6 million.
In fact 6 million is more than the sum total of all the census results

many academics who have researched this have established a figure of 100,000 but you can easily investigate yourselves because all the census for the main countries are available online

i say even a figure of 100,000 is a holocaust and genocide
but let the world start using the true figures and not the new york class action lawyers figures anymore

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be some confusion here.

No-one is saying 6 000 000 jews were killed in auswitz or all of the camps combined. The figure of 6 000 000 is the figure commonly given for excess jewish deaths in the war.

The equivalent today would be the controversy over death rates in iraq. Some count reported causalities (the low fiigure that US/UK figures prefer to refer to) but the more accepted method is by measuring all excess deaths from all causes that wouldn't have occered if the war hadn't happened.

So talking about camp deaths and total jewish deaths in WW2 is a false comparison.

But more importantly can I ask those that are challenging the commonly accepted history of the holocaust and jewish deaths, what is the lesson you think we can gain from this? How does revisiting the holocaust help us understand today's world? Why should anyone care greatly if the holocaust has been exaggerated?

Tell me. Where is this heading?
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
The figure of 6 000 000 is the figure commonly given for excess jewish deaths in the war.


i am not sure what you mean EXCESS?

the problem is this, over the centuries many people have died, a recent example is Rwanda
genocide has occured we have seen it
Bosnia which saw many of it's people butchered on video and buried in mass graves. Not a penny of compensation for the victims relatives, even the killer such as mladic and karadic are still walking tall and free
Chechnya
Over 60% of all Chenyans in the world have been wiped out.
why?
Because when the soviet union disintergrated all other republics became independant but for some reason Yeltsin who was coincidentaly surrounded by his oligarchs declared war on Chechnya.
Genocide followed.
Cambodia
Armenia
Kurdistan
we can go on. the problem is none of these countries or the victims have recieved any apology or adequate compensation. Even british victims of torture at the hands of the japanese, the indian ocean islanders evicted from their homes, the palestinians, the aborigines, etc etc
The one holocaust which has become an industry and has wiped all the other holocausts off the chart has had billions upon billions of compensation not for the victims but for rich new york law firms.

how many roma gypsies were killed?
where is their compensation?

this is why statistics are important
lets say 250,000 bosnians died at the hands of serbians
if you say 1 million cambodians died at the hands of the khmer rouge
and then say 6 million jews died in the concentration camps
one event overshadows all other genocides before and after
one event becomes a massive industry in itself worth billions every year
all other genocides are forgotten and the culprits remain at large

but when historians catergorically prove that the figure of 6 million is a lie because there were not 6 million in the whole continent of europe including russia. This is the reason why a whole holocaust denial industry has also mushroomed.
I am not a holocaust denier
but statistics dont lie so i do dispute the 6 million figure

it is like everything else
we know 911 is a lie because a 110 storey steel framed building cannot collapse in 9 seconds unless it is by controlled demolition
we know man has not walked on the moon because it has been proven to have been a total lie
and we also know for a fact that 6 million jews cannot have died during the holocaust because the sum total of all the jews in the whole of the continent of europe pre 1939 was much less than 6 million

But dont listen to me listen to Jewish Rabbinical scolars such as Rabbi Weiss
so by exagerating the figures the perpetrators are doing a grave injustice to the actual victims and their decendants
and the money they extract over and over again in compensation claims only serves to create new enemies from people having to foot the bills today via their taxes
even resentment from other groups such as slaves denied compensation
by selling an exagerated number the holocaust industry itself creates the doubts of everything else and so it is counterproductive
when something gets hyped and spun it loses credibility


how much compensation were palestinians given when they were slaughtered and driven from their land?

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In this program videotaped on Jan. 11, 2007 Neturei Karta Rabbis discuss their recent friendly meeting with the President of Iran and other high Iranian officials both in New York and at the recent conference about the Jewish Holocaust convened in Iran. They also reiterate in considerable detail their reasons for their long held religiously based opposition to Zionism itself

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